On topic for this thread, it almost doesn't matter how badly DSA top-level leadership has been infiltrated by genuine cops as they expand, even though they definitely, publicly have been infiltrated, by cops and Troops with control over their policy posturing who are eager to denounce any internal radical currents as vile endangerment of the group's small, newfound media-profile fiefdom.

But with a war-mongering wind-up toy like DSA's platform and its leadership to guide it, with its new, excited, curious members directed to go all in on a long-shot pie-in-the-sky presidency that would in any case guard that flow of blood money jealously to ram through a third of what DSA and Sanders claim to want with a hundred Senate riders to defang it, why would the Company need to lay hands on the wheel themselves? Death is certain.
Okay so. Look at what's going on in Congress right now with impeachment hearings against Trump. Look at the CIA as the public instigators of it. Look at every prominent Democrat who isn't a Sanders supporter and is going to shout at the top of their lungs if Sanders takes the nomination that he's the puppet of sorcerous Kremlinites. For much of the Democratic Party, anything but unimpeded, unquestioned flow of arms into the post-Soviet sphere is by itself evidence not just of evil, but of mind control of the President by Moscow.

Now Sanders becomes president, im Laughing Out Loud itt, and says Well we need to be careful to do imperialism in a multilateral way, we need to be judicious and careful about all the guns I'm going to send to make Nazi coups in foreign countries. Hyuk hyuk hyuk blow me down, bet that'll go over well with all the CIA the Democrats are sending to Congress, bet that'll be a real hit with all the Intelligence Community undead dictating the policy of the party Sanders wants to lead. Bet that'll work out. Democratic Socialists of United States America.
posting to say that i hope we can do the imperialism the Right Way, like socialists should
*flapping arms* hey look i'm a DSA member. my party wants to share rule with the US military global rape machine and my party-mates want me to put my political labor to go towards electing a lifelong democrat. i know that the bourgeois Democrat party, the party of bankers like bloomberg, surveillance-tech startups like Amazon, and the CIA, has a dubious history: but this old relic of a man could be different! i can't understand why my once-growing party's membership has stalled but despite that i still feel like my heart and efforts are in the right place. i'm 38!

edit sorry lo, here's a joke i like:
A talking penguin got lost swimming, passed out, ended up washed ashore in western australia. He flapped around the desert for days, he was unable to find any fish to eat, but he did finally find a car. so he hopped inside, figured well maybe if i found a car, i can find a store, there's gotta be something to eat around here somewhere. so he started driving. but this car was abandoned and left out in the desert, and a couple miles out he saw the oil light come on. figured he didn't want to risk it. so penguin pulls over at the nearest mechanic. mechanic was like "yeah penguin looks like you sprung an oil leak, you're in luck you're the only customer out here in the desert of western australia, i can take a look at this car of yours this very minute. and by the way penguin you look famished, lemme spot you a couple bucks, you walk down the road, there's a store, get yourself something to eat". penguin says "thanks mister" and walks down the road to the shop. he gets a triple vanilla sundae but being a penguin with flippers he kind of has trouble eating it, and he makes a mess everywhere. he walks back to the mechanic who's like, "hey penguin, so it looks like you blew a seal" and penguin says "oh no, it's just ice cream".

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toyot posted:

*flapping arms* hey look i'm a DSA member. my party wants to share rule with the US military global rape machine and my party-mates want me to put my political labor to go towards electing a lifelong democrat. i know that the bourgeois Democrat party, the party of bankers like bloomberg, surveillance-tech startups like Amazon, and the CIA, has a dubious history: but this old relic of a man could be different! i can't understand why my once-growing party's membership has stalled but despite that i still feel like my heart and efforts are in the right place. i'm 38!

hey man you're supposed to put a joke in there somewhere

CIA/Mossad assassinated Ismail Faruqi. Purportedly he and his wife were randomly murdered by a black Muslim who claims he was hallucinating, out of the blue. There is circumstantial evidence that he was rather assassinated.
reminiscent of when "crazy joe" gallo got a black guy, reputedly with mental health issues, to kill joe colombo in an attempt to keep his distance from the hit (which didn't work out so good for gallo).

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i enjoyed this article about how the boston bombers didn't make their bombs, and the (right wing) guy that almost certainly did do it is free and wasn't charged because the fbi prevented that from happening. seems like a normal situation and i'm sure the fbi has everyone's best interests at heart here.

https://www.newsweek.com/2018/01/19/boston-marathon-bomb-maker-loose-776742.html posted:

The FBI maintains to this day that the bombers were not known to the bureau before those photos were made public, despite the fact that federal agents interviewed Tamerlan and his family multiple times in 2011 after Russian counterterrorism officials warned the FBI and the CIA that they had intercepted communications between Tamerlan and militants in Russia's Northern Caucasus, where the Tsarnaevs had emigrated from. FBI officials also have yet to explain why bureau agents were in the Tsarnaevs' neighborhood, which is roughly a mile from MIT, the night Dzhokhar killed Collier.
On May 21, 2014, William Weinreb, who would become the acting U.S. Attorney, was on the team of federal prosecutors that convinced a Boston jury to sentence Dzhokhar to death, filed a pretrial motion asserting that the bombs were sophisticated devices that "would have been difficult for the Tsarnaevs to fabricate successfully without training or assistance from others.… Searches of the Tsarnaevs' residences, three vehicles and other locations associated with them yielded virtually no traces of black powder, again strongly suggesting that others had built, or at least helped the Tsarnaevs build, the bombs, and thus might have built more."
Morley was arrested by Topsfield police that day, charged with two counts of assault and battery against his mother and her companion, and with making a bomb threat. And then, nothing. The FBI showed up at Topsfield police headquarters and seized much of the evidence taken from Morley's home after Hayward executed a search warrant. Morley was never formally arraigned in connection with the charges that Hayward swore out in a criminal complaint, and those charges were abruptly dropped without explanation by the Essex County district attorney. When asked why, his spokeswoman referred questions to the FBI. The FBI wasn't talking, not even when it wordlessly returned the evidence to Topsfield police months after Morley's arrest, blowing off local law enforcement with a dismissive "We didn't find anything," a Topsfield police commander told Newsweek.
Why, local cops are still asking, did the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force take over the case against Morley? "Why is the FBI at the scene of a domestic call? Nobody knows," a bomb tech who was there told Newsweek.

The insider: How national security mandarins groomed Pete Buttigieg and managed his future

That friend, Nathaniel “Nat” Myers, was Buttigieg’s traveling partner on a trip to Somaliland, where the two buddies claimed to have been tourists in a July 2008 article they wrote for The New York Times.

Their contribution to the paper was not any typical travelogue detailing a whimsical safari. Instead, they composed a slick editorial that echoed the Somaliland government’s call for recognition from the US government. It was Buttigieg’s first foreign policy audition before a national audience.


Nathaniel Myers’ relationship with the presidential hopeful began at Harvard University. There, they formed two parts of “The Order of Kong,” a close-knit group of political junkies named jokingly for the Chinese restaurant they frequented after intensive discussion sessions at the school’s Institute of Politics.

Like most members of the college-era “Order,” Myers and Buttigieg have remained close. When the mayor married his longtime partner in 2018, Buttigieg chose him as his best man.

Myers currently works as a senior advisor for the United States Agency for International Development’s Office of Transition Initiatives (USAID-OTI) in Washington DC. The OTI is a specialized division of USAID that routinely works through contractors and local proxies to orchestrate destabilization operations inside countries considered insufficiently compliant to the dictates of Washington.

Wherever the US seeks regime change, it seems that USAID’s OTI is involved.

you may remember OTI from our discussion of how under the authoritarian totalitarian brutal nightmare regime of demon-in-human-form Hugo Chavez, a USAID organization openly trying to destroy Venezuela's government was permitted to work out of an office in Caracas for nine years before it was shut down

Ajit and Max with an article on an End Times fascist becoming a "go-to pundit" for Democracy Now, the Wall Street Journal, the U.S. Congress, etc. Make sure to read to the end:

The second key source for claims that China has detained millions of Uyghur Muslims is Adrian Zenz. He is a senior fellow in China studies at the far-right Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which was established by the US government in 1993.

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation is an outgrowth of the National Captive Nations Committee, a group founded by Ukrainian nationalist Lev Dobriansky to lobby against any effort for detente with the Soviet Union. Its co-chairman, Yaroslav Stetsko, was a top leader of the fascist OUN-B militia that fought alongside Nazi Germany during its occupation of Ukraine in World War Two. Together, the two helped found the World Anti-Communist League that was described by journalist Joe Conason as “the organizational haven for neo-Nazis, fascists, and anti-Semitic extremists from two dozen countries.”

Today, Dobriansky’s daughter, Paula, sits on the board of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. A former Reagan and George HW Bush official and signatory of the original Project for a New American Century document, Paula Dobriansky has become a fixture in neoconservative circles on Capitol Hill.

From its office in Washington, the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation agitates for regime change from Venezuela to the periphery of China, advancing the “double genocide” theory that rewrites the history of the Holocaust and posits communism as a deadly evil on par with Hitlerian fascism.

Zenz’s politicized research on Xinjiang and Tibet has proven one of this right-wing group’s most effective weapons.

In September of 2018, Zenz wrote an article published in the Central Asian Survey journal concluding that “Xinjiang’s total re-education internment figure may be estimated at just over one million.” (A condensed version of the article was initially published by the Jamestown Foundation, a neoconservative think tank founded during the height of the Cold War by Reagan administration personnel with the support of then-CIA Director William J. Casey).

Like the CHRD, Zenz arrived at his estimate “over 1 million” in a dubious manner. He based it on a single report by Istiqlal TV, a Uyghur exile media organization based in Turkey, which was republished by Newsweek Japan. Far from an impartial journalistic organization, Istiqlal TV advances the separatist cause while playing host to an assortment of extremist figures.

One such character who often appears on Istiqlal TV is Abdulkadir Yapuquan, a reported leader of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), a separatist group that aims to establish an independent homeland in Xinjiang called East Turkestan.

ETIM has been designated as a terrorist organization with ties to al-Qaeda by the US, European Union, and UN Security Council’s Al-Qaida Sanctions Committee. The Associated Press has reported that since “2013, thousands of Uighurs… have traveled to Syria to train with the Uighur militant group Turkistan Islamic Party and fight alongside al-Qaida,” with “several hundred join the Islamic State.”

The Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP) has been among the most recalcitrant forces operating in the Al Qaeda-controlled Idlib province, rejecting all ceasefire efforts while indoctrinating children into militancy. TIP leadership has called on foreign Muslims to wage jihad in Syria, publishing an online recruitment video in 2018 that celebrated the 9/11 attacks as holy retaliation against a decadent United States awash in homosexuality and sin.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Yapuquan is “a regular guest on Istiqlal TV… where his interviews often extended into hours-long emotional tirades against China.”

Turkish journalist Abdullah Bozkurt reported that Istiqlal TV has also hosted fanatical anti-Semites like Nureddin Yıldız, who in an interview on the network, “called for armed jihad not only in China’s autonomous Xinjiang region but all over the world and described China as a nation of savages, worse than the Jews.”

During a question-and-answer session, The Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal asked Zenz about his fundamentalist religious views and far-right politics.

Zenz did not distance himself from his past statements denouncing gender equality and “tolerance thinking,” or his advocacy for the “scriptural spanking” of children. Instead, he asserted that there was no inconsistency between those views and the quality of his research on China’s Xinjiang region.

“I do have a diverse background and I have personal connections which I do not believe are inconsistent with my research,” Zenz responded to Blumenthal. “I do not support China’s authoritarian methods in any way, and I do believe there’s a God who is bringing judgment in different forms. The End Times is a very fascinating topic, a very complex topic, and I think, very relevant. And I think it’s good to live aware of that.”

Moments later, a visibly upset young man rose from his seat to “condemn the tankie Max Blumenthal.” Unleashing a torrent of insults at Blumenthal, he made no attempt to refute the journalist’s line of questioning.

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being pro-assad-rolling-tanks-into-idlib make u a tankie now too
I might be fudging some of the details but I think the term fell through a 1950s/1960s wormhole and then came out the other end all pretzel shaped, and then redeployed by vaguely anarchist and "pwogwessive" types as a term of abuse for communists or just anyone who opposes war. Then it jumped from there to a George Washington University student / future Mayor Pete type trying to white knuckle his way through Max bringing up the panelist's work for the World Exiled Gas Chamber Operators Committee. What's also noteworthy to me about that guy is how he also styles himself as one of these "open-source analysts" and "China expert."
hahahhaa of course it always comes back to WACL. if you want to do anticommunist propaganda you cant go past literal US govt funded nazis
worth noting that adrian zenz is routinely cited as a bland objective journalist uncovering the truth by our favorite esteemed news sources like the NYT. you can click on the twitter page of any mainstream western journalist covering asia and he'll probably be within their first ten RTs.


The Global Times, a newspaper owned by the Chinese Communist Party, published an interview with a regional government spokesman who said that two prominent foreign experts on Xinjiang, Adrian Zenz and Darren Byler, were cooperating with “anti-China forces in the U.S. to smear China’s Xinjiang policies.”

Mr. Byler, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Colorado Boulder, and Mr. Zenz, a senior fellow in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation in Washington, said the attack on them seemed to reflect growing anxiety among Chinese officials that they were losing the international argument over the camps.

“Painting me and Darren Byler as intelligence agents is a very poorly done, crude, smearing counterattack,” Mr. Zenz said. “I think it’s very unconvincing. People are not believing them anymore.”

truly. it's very unconvincing to smear someone working for an organization founded by the u.s. government as a u.s. asset.

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I might be fudging some of the details but I think the term

*Winter 2020 posting acolytes push open giant teakwood doors to the search page as i 人 and bow* There’s A Thread For That


Petrol posted:

hahahhaa of course it always comes back to WACL. if you want to do anticommunist propaganda you cant go past literal US govt funded nazis


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cars posted:

Like the original “fake news” guy who posted those “parody” stories on facebook, there’s no evidence that what he put up did anything at all that was any different than a normal day on facebook with a bunch of weird stories exploiting algorithms to get clicks, but that guy is probably going to be rolling in money for life because after he was accused of being a key player in a big time election he played reporters like fiddles.

as of today, Facebook themselves have adopted this strategy by entering it into the congressional record

looks like someone just outed himself in a shoddy attempt to get out in front of a nasty revelation
oh god what a fucking idiot

hey paul this is the irs please put $2000 on itunes gift cards to pay your tax bill
i believe krugman's allegation of a conspiracy to download all of his child pornography
Hey everybody there is an abundance of child pornography on my hard drive, right this moment. Ugly world out there.
Well, I'm on the phone with my computer security service, I didn't recognize the number but when I answered the guy explained he was calling from Microsoft
Nothing to see here. We're not run by a cabal of pedophiles.
the paedophocracy is real, and it is going "mask off"
regular people fuck like this, rich people fuck like this
Bernard Sanders went on TV and promised to funnel a bunch more cash to the regime change roaches at the U.S. State department. Lol.
I got a bunch of random PDFs and books for my kindle, the devil's chessboard and CHAOS are really good, altho I guess you guys would find ...chessboard pretty entry level.

the PDFs are operation gladio by ganser, programmed to kill and the franklin cover up. With PTK you need to approach it with a huge dose of skepticism but the stuff that checks out and I can verify is nevertheless horrifying. he's building towards a unifying thesis that most American serial killers and mass murderers are MK Ultra ops which...hmmm. I don't know about that but it's an interesting read.

Haven't started on the Franklin cover up yet but I'm told the case partly inspired the first true detective. I know the bare bones of the story from PTK and it's pretty obvious there was *something* going on there.

operation gladio is extremely interesting, and it's well worth a read. I didn't realise MI6 had been arguably the driving force behind it in the early years,providing so much training and direction. one thing I found quite funny/fucked up is that apparently the CIA and MI6 would try to outbid each other to win the services of different neonazi militias in western Europe, and they'd be so busy trying to get the next agreement locked down they wouldn't keep a tight enough leash on their other pet psychos who would use the opportunity to go murder somebody or set off a few bombs somewhere. have been looking more into le cercle as a result.
let me know, if you end up digging through anything I posted early in this thread on these topics, if there are broken links.

franklin scandal is good btw and i note that the author, nick bryant, was the one who got epstein's little black book and flight logs years ago and released them to the public.
The British government secretly funded Reuters in the 1960s and 1970s at the behest of an anti-Soviet propaganda unit linked to British intelligence and concealed the funding by using the BBC to make the payments, declassified government documents show., thus reports Reuters
good thing that's all just history now, just like how RFE/RL/RFA used to be CIA but is now totally innocuous