#161

Caesura109 posted:

not even the fucking ttrump people are doing this. big win for civility



"Why is this DSA member acting like a liberal... oh *galaxy brain* "

#162
their gonna disband after they finally get a second term for the carter administration
#163
or perhaps a fourth term
#164
#165
a prominent DSA member/candidate was hounded by the press this week for not disclosing that she was arrested once in strange circumstances and hiding the fact she has a $600,000 trust fund while claiming to be working class. anyway this isn't even the biggest controversy in the DSA this week. DSA is good, actually?
#166

getfiscal posted:

a $600,000 trust fund while claiming to be working class.


i'm more scared of finding out someone i trust is one of these than finding out they're CIA

#167
I’ve made it this far without ever finding out exactly what a trust fund is or how it works. No one tell me please
#168

Ruzbihan posted:

I’ve made it this far without ever finding out exactly what a trust fund is or how it works. No one tell me please


the name comes from the fact that they trust you won't figure it out

#169

Ruzbihan posted:

I’ve made it this far without ever finding out exactly what a trust fund is or how it works. No one tell me please



its like a swear jar for when you expropriate surplus value from workers

#170
how racist is the DSA. is it a frat boy org
#171
the salazar trust fund thing makes me mad, but mostly because i don't have a trust fund
#172
Did some googling, and apparently this Salazar candidate is very prominent, but was a christian conservative like yesterday but claimed to be Jewish, and also tried to scam a bank (good) under her friends name (bad). Also 600000 trust fund. Have they change at all from when one of their leaders was a cop lol

They also seem to have almost nothing regarding foreign policy, not for Yemen or Afghanistan or Syria, when compared to their bajillion activities related to socialized healthcare
#173
her actual opinions and campaign seem pretty good for american politics. also it's a big job but still just one seat so like yeah. it is pretty amazing though that it's still a relatively small organization that is able to leverage huge amounts of media attention while at the same time fucking up a lot in funny ways.
#174
yeah it's pretty CIAmazing
#175
Scuttlebutt

Today East Bay DSA voted 88 - 65 to NOT endorse Cat Brooks for Oakland Mayor.

As it became clear that Cat was losing the vote, knots of young white men smiled ear to ear, clapped, cheered, exchanged high-fives and fist bumps.

One speaker after another had repeated the bizarre accusation that she is a secret crusader for privatization of schools and healthcare.

Several of the 88 dismissed Cat’s years of work fighting against police terror as empty, ineffectual, rhetoric.

Cat was intentionally disparaged, misrepresented, and disrespected.

It was a palpably racist attack that can’t be tolerated.

#176
88
#177
yeah that's such bullshit, but, oakland has ranked choice voting, and only one other good mayoral candidate, so any honest left ballot puts cat brooks, worst case, at #2. fuck libby schaaf forever
#178

JohnBeige posted:

Scuttlebutt

Today East Bay DSA voted 88 - 65 to NOT endorse Cat Brooks for Oakland Mayor.

As it became clear that Cat was losing the vote, knots of young white men smiled ear to ear, clapped, cheered, exchanged high-fives and fist bumps.

One speaker after another had repeated the bizarre accusation that she is a secret crusader for privatization of schools and healthcare.

Several of the 88 dismissed Cat’s years of work fighting against police terror as empty, ineffectual, rhetoric.

Cat was intentionally disparaged, misrepresented, and disrespected.

It was a palpably racist attack that can’t be tolerated.


oh ffs lol

#179
#180

JohnBeige posted:

Scuttlebutt

Today East Bay DSA voted 88 - 65 to NOT endorse Cat Brooks for Oakland Mayor.

As it became clear that Cat was losing the vote, knots of young white men smiled ear to ear, clapped, cheered, exchanged high-fives and fist bumps.

One speaker after another had repeated the bizarre accusation that she is a secret crusader for privatization of schools and healthcare.

Several of the 88 dismissed Cat’s years of work fighting against police terror as empty, ineffectual, rhetoric.

Cat was intentionally disparaged, misrepresented, and disrespected.

It was a palpably racist attack that can’t be tolerated.


#181
lol, for real? i love being working class and owning my own 1.2 million dollar home.
#182
I think i read that the membership overruled the endorsement subcommittee on that but Come On. that shit is beyond parody, absolutely embarrassing. They literally took the right wing position and backed the owners of $1m+ homes from $200 in taxes!!!!!!!
#183

Gssh posted:

lol, for real? i love being working class and owning my own 1.2 million dollar home.



it is crazy two houses on the block are being demo'd & resold (2 black families gone). i'm about 50' west of an old redline (whites pushing past their 1967 borders lol). my landlord is black but i think this is largely a phenomenon of switching land ownership, and if he sells and we go, i'd be curious to see how the composition of the block changes. i bet oakland's black organized lumpen could drive rich ppl out, without their valuables, if they wanted. dunno what the landowner representation is in EBDSA but it is p white from the couple meetings i've been to, so it would be hard to avoid land wealth & whites dreaming of their own little property someday. last DSA meeting i saw a guy in a london school of economics sweatshirt.

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#184
has anyone called them the dramatic socialites of america before, because i have a good idea about what to call them
#185

Petrol posted:

(Is china imperialist?) ...I think a good way to approach this question would be to refer to the links article about Russian 'imperialism' and research the same data points it relies upon (financial capital and GDP per capita, capital export destinations, etc). I leave this as an exercise for any motivated reader as I honestly don't have the time to devote to this right now, but I'd be keen to see the results.


A month later and i am pleased to report someone took this idea and ran with it. Kind of. Uh https://www.wsj.com/articles/imperialism-will-be-dangerous-for-china-1537225875

#186
mr gorbachev, tear down this paywall
#187

sovnarkoman posted:

mr gorbachev, tear down this paywall


its really not worth it, but okay.

Imperialism Will Be Dangerous for China
By Walter Russell Mead
Sept. 17, 2018 7:11 p.m. ET

Spoiler!

#188
fortunately, lenin was wrong (citation needed)
#189

the way ancient Athens clashed with Sparta



the mark of a hack. just make your point without these cliches

#190

Caesura109 posted:

the mark of a hack. just make your point without these cliches



Revelation ch 13

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a hack rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten twitter accounts, and upon his accounts ten verified checkmarks, and upon his heads the name of NATO.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a manchild, and his feet were as the feet of a clown, and his mouth as the mouth of a parrot: and the eagle gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were owned to death; and the deadly own was disavowed: and all the world wondered after the hack.

4 And they worshipped the eagle which gave power unto the hack: and they worshipped the hack, saying, Who is like unto the hack? who is able to make flamewar with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against the Lion, to blaspheme his name, and his people, and them that dwell in Mesopotamia.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the posters, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Bear slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the drone must be killed with the drone. Here is the patience and the faith of the posters.

...

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the hack, that the image of the hack should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the hack should be banned.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a checkmark after their screen name, or in their profile:

17 And that no man might post or tweet, save he that had the mark, or the name of the hack, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the hack: for it is the number of a manbaby; and his number is 5. Just 5.

#191
growing up east bay: i make 150k a year but costs of living are crazy also did you know that? im agree that im exploited under capitalism but also think i earn every penny of my salary no matter how much i make!
#192

shriekingviolet posted:

Revelation ch 13

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a hack rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten twitter accounts, and upon his accounts ten verified checkmarks, and upon his heads the name of NATO.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a manchild, and his feet were as the feet of a clown, and his mouth as the mouth of a parrot: and the eagle gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were owned to death; and the deadly own was disavowed: and all the world wondered after the hack.

4 And they worshipped the eagle which gave power unto the hack: and they worshipped the hack, saying, Who is like unto the hack? who is able to make flamewar with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against the Lion, to blaspheme his name, and his people, and them that dwell in Mesopotamia.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the posters, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Bear slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the drone must be killed with the drone. Here is the patience and the faith of the posters.

...

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the hack, that the image of the hack should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the hack should be banned.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a checkmark after their screen name, or in their profile:

17 And that no man might post or tweet, save he that had the mark, or the name of the hack, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the hack: for it is the number of a manbaby; and his number is 5. Just 5.


#193
http://paydayreport.com/jacobin-publisher-accused-of-reneging-on-wage-deal-in-takeover-of-british-magazine-the-tribune/

Workers say that Sunkara promised that if workers took a settlement of only 70% of the back wages that they were owed that he would bring them back as staffers after taking over the publication. However, Sunkara in a statement to Payday confirmed that he would not bring the staffers back.

The workers in a series of open letters have accused Sunkara of lying to them and simply taking over the publication to expand Jacobin’s content reach into European markets under the Tribune’s prestigious name.

“In the capitalist world someone who buys an ailing company and dumps its committed workers is known as an asset-stripper or robber baron, but at least they don’t claim to be socialists,” said former Tribune employee Ian Hernon.

#194
i'm sure sunkara sees the situation as just a reality of capitalism, no more hypocritical than a socialist protestor wielding an iphone. he will start being good to his workers just as soon as we live in a socialist society.
#195
who could have foreseen that fucking over a bunch of journalists would lead to bad press.
#196
Bhaskars just the average rich kid who needed a money sucking “entrepreneurship” hobby except when he spun the wheel of fortune wheel for rich people endeavors filled with like “microbrewing” and “sketch comedy” options it landed on the tiny “socialism” sliver (bankruptcy)
#197
i just listened to bhaskar's interview w chapo trap house's amber from four days before he fucked over the tribune workers about unions and he is a p fuckin obnoxious & patronizing rich dude. no surprises, good hate listen also amber is sorta a shit too