#441
i only had to watch a couple of clips of mid-deadlift internal detachment of the supinated biceps, very early in my adult life, to know with 100% certainty that I would never use mixed grip for even a single deadlift as long as i lived - so i feel where constantignoble is coming from. Overhand Grip Is The Only Way
#442
damn i used to used mixed grip, thanks for that youtube horrorshow U_S, never again... the rock-climbers at my gym used to pinch the 45# weights and walk laps until their tendons were sore. feel like that's probably the co-workout (+ chalk) to be able to hold 400lbs in a deadlift overhand
#443
i had never seen clips before but holy shit, i guess this is the motivation i needed to embrace hook grip as my fallback
#444
Wrist straps are a good investment. As I see it, there's enough to think when deadlifting, and there are at least 1 other exercises that could target forarms
#445
who cares, where the lifting women at?
#446
IF I WAS STALIN, i would make lifting woman-only and end the ban once i felt things were correct. guys could do bodyweight shit i guess. go fuck yourselves. not me though. my idea.
#447

Scrree posted:

started the starting strength program by mark rippetoe last week. the guy seems totally insane from his writing style in the book but it's v. detailed and i feel safe performing the exercises as directed sooo. it's also dead simple which helps.

i'm feeling quite a bit stronger despite putting up baby-numbers for my height+weight, but i'm really excited to eventually Get Yolked. also every other day i get to wake up to the mantra of squats, squats, squats, squats! which is fun.



it's a good program. i wouldn't look down when you squat like he suggests. skip the power cleans, even (read: especially) if you're interested in Olympic weightlifting. and don't listen to a word he says about diet, unless your goal is to be an interior offensive lineman or nose tackle in the NFL and you don't give a shit how much fat you put on.

Constantignoble posted:

the thought behind the overhand focus goes, in rough order of emphasis, A) more grip strength development, 2) not having to think about asymmetries or imbalances and the possibility of injury along those lines, and D) just a personal thing but i find it simpler to regulate the bar's effect on my palms this way; it's a little harder to gauge the exact settle point of the bar in advance with mixed, and that leads to just a bit more wear -- not even 100% of the time, but just often enough to be annoying



A) your grip is never going to keep up with your posterior chain. people who start really pushing the weight on unilateral lifts (lunges, split squats, etc) eventually run into the same issue -- the grip becomes a limiting factor, and you either gotta strap up or find another way to load.

IMO, this is not an issue. the point of the deadlift is to gain strength in the back/legs, and limiting your weight just for the sake of your grip seems counterproductive to me. it's pretty telling that strongmen competitors, the strength athletes with the strongest grips, use straps when they deadlift. they don't see deadlifts as the best expression of grip strength.

there are plenty of other ways to build up your grip strength, from farmers walks to Captains of Crush.

2) if you're really worried about asymmetries, you can switch up your mixed grip, but honestly i would't worry about it much. yes, there's an increased risk of bicep tear with mixed grip, but frankly, there's not something you need to worry about in the 315 range unless you just have the world's worst form.

D) getting those calluses are obnoxious, but it's way better than feeling a heavy-ish deadlift start slipping out of your hands with a double overhand grip (and it inevitably will), and have the lift go to shit, with the accompanying injury risk that goes with it

#448
Callouses are a good thing anyway. It's better to have them 24/7 than to be in pain from blisters if you do something different. But I get them from work as much as from weightlifting so idk
#449
i wouldn't have thought i'm at risk of having my bicep roll up like a windowshade at 315, no, but i don't see any reason not to start start building habits with an eye to scalability early on

fwiw in D i am drawing a distinction between the calluses that are inevitable with this stuff (coming along pretty decently) and the gnarly ones that result from getting your palm north of the crease pinched up and ripping off a few layers of skin. i've been able to avoid that by taking a few extra seconds to triple-check that I'm starting high on the hand without any slack before curling my fingers, but mixed grip has still surprised me a couple times
#450
im doing straight leg deadlifts with 360 lbs right now and there's no way i could use a pronated grip without straps right now. kudos to your grip strength
#451

shapes posted:

Scrree posted:

it's a good program. i wouldn't look down when you squat like he suggests. skip the power cleans, even (read: especially) if you're interested in Olympic weightlifting.

could you elaborate a little more on this? is it just 'the book will teach you wrong and then your form will be fucked'?

#452
Olympic lifting is much more difficult from a technique standpoint than the powerlifts. i'm not entirely convinced they can be learned properly without good coaching. i used to go to a gym run by the former head of US Olympic Weightlifting, and in a year i went from "complete doofus" to "still bad, but not entirely" (i had a fair amount of lifting experience but no Oly, so i wasn't unlearning anything). i saw tons of Crossfitters come in who wanted to get better, only to get their egos shattered when he had them go back down to an empty bar to completely re-learn their form. those guys usually didn't show up again.

it's been a while since i've read Starting Strength, but iirc, he makes the powerclean sound very similar to a deadlift (it's not). he also has this weird idea that low-bar squats will have carryover to the pull-phase in a snatch. even if the muscles used are similar, the form is radically different, and the form is the hardest part to get down. there's a reason that every single Oly lifter sticks to high-bar and front squats.

if that is something you're interested in, find yourself a coach. make sure they know what they're doing... it probably won't be at a Crossfit gym. if you live in the US, they probably have some certifications from US Weightlifting, and either have gone to Nationals themselves or sent people there.

if you're not particularly interested in, don't worry about it. for beginners, increasing power isn't a big priority. just increasing your strength will increase your power initially. you can add some jumping exercises (box jumps, single leg stuff) to prep you for more advanced exercises (weighted jumps, depth jumps for the very advanced).
#453
i like to exercise my lungs with cigarette
#454
in hs my buddy used to do a trick where he'd empty one whole cig into a bong and strike two bigass church matches against each other then inhale the entire thing in one breath... he had a spitoon to drool in... despite what youre thinking it was actually really fucking cool. in college my french exchange student friend came + stayed and he saw him do this trick and he said "toyotathon... your friends, what is the word, they are gross? disgusting." i think the moral is there are lots of different physical attributes we can choose to work out
#455
You want to see something swole? Check out the malignant nodules on my lungs
#456
i think my favorite way of exercising is lying on a bed and reading a book, occasionally making another coffee
#457

tears posted:

i like to exercise my lungs with cigarette


Feel the burn!

#458
I’ve been going wild with soups lately which is eating right. Cook soup and eat soup
#459
thanks for the detailed answer shapes. im definitely doing this to get stronger in the more general sense than any going after any technical goals, so i'll stick to the four basic barbell lifts until i find a gym with a good coach.

that said, i realized that the way i was doing squats was leaving a tingling sensation and irritation down my back which was Not Good, so i avoided adding weight and readjusted my grip and wow, completing squat sets where you don't Damage Your Nerves feels surprisingly good! to the extent that i thought the music i was listening to sounded better, and the water from my bottle tasted better. ive never done long-distance running and gotten 'runner's high' before so feeling that way after physical exertion was new + cool
#460
no way im touching a barbell till an irl person shows me some actual form like. im under 200lbs for the first token since high school tho. this does involve eating the exact same thing for lunch every single day but im ok with that
#461
What's that you're eating?

I got rear-ended by two teenagers and whiplash/a concussion, and it's been about 3 days so I feel like I'm inefficiently using my time not being able to weight lift 😒
#462
don't fret over it, you're more of a danger to yourself if you get antsy and rush back. i remember seeing a bunch of studies that say you can program in an occasional week (or even two) off without interrupting your gains in a noticeable way but i can't be bothered to dig 'em up right now, just take the word of an amateur on the internet

i just took three weeks off due to that iliolumbar thing (about 10 days to feel normal, then another 10 to be safe), it is what it is; pick up and drop off when you can, and listen to your body
#463
on an unrelated note, i experimented with a slightly wider squat stance and my hamstrings got too cramped up at 90 below my target to continue. maybe a little torn? i dunno, we'll see how they feel tomorrow. lol

lesson learned

next day edit: hell yeah i feel fine, even good. got all worried for nothing, but im still glad i stopped when i did

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#464

Constantignoble posted:

i experimented with a slightly wider squat stance


this is a good technique if you keep falling in the toilet

#465

marlax78 posted:

What's that you're eating?

I got rear-ended by two teenagers and whiplash/a concussion, and it's been about 3 days so I feel like I'm inefficiently using my time not being able to weight lift 😒



im eating a single sad little turkey sandwich and a bowl of microwaved broccoli w mrs dash sprinkled on it

#466
the dumbbells i just ordered for germany are full of sand and if you put all the weights on them there's no room for your hand. what the fuck.
#467

marlax78 posted:

the dumbbells i just ordered for germany are full of sand and if you put all the weights on them there's no room for your hand. what the fuck.


sounds like the real dumbell here, is you

#468
damn dude
#469
sounds like the real dumbbell is a different product that's closer to your expectations!!
#470
still off sugar, started my dumbbell routine again yesterday after like 3wks of not doing it thanks to seasons making me sad
#471
(slaps tummy)

my "winter weight"
#472


when you're boutta put Brazil on your shoulders
#473

toutvabien posted:

(slaps tummy)

my "winter weight"



#474
fucked it all up and started w sweets again
#475

littlegreenpills posted:

fucked it all up and started w sweets again


"Relapse is part of recovery"

#476
#477
down 40 lbs from my high water mark (kinda stagnated the last 2 months but back on track now), mile time back under 8 min. just did a fully pronated dead set of 365

definitely shelling out for straps one of these days; just waiting on :effort:
#478

Constantignoble posted:

down 40 lbs from my high water mark (kinda stagnated the last 2 months but back on track now), mile time back under 8 min. just did a fully pronated dead set of 365

definitely shelling out for straps one of these days; just waiting on :effort:



straps were a gamechanger for me (a fellow dl pronator) and they cost virtually nothing - the cheapest shittiest pair (under a fiver usually) seems to do the job perfectly. highly recommend just grabbing some off ebay and getting the hang of using them sooner rather than later. i use them on all my top working sets now and it's honestly just such a relief for wrists/grip strength not to be even slightly a factor any more

there are a bunch of different fancy options, but honestly the bog-standard "loop" style ones work a treat for me:


honestly it's like magic when you use them properly - it doesn't feel like the grip relief they provide should be physically possible, finally its all about back and quads again, grip a non issue