#121
These forums.... so filled with negativity.
#122

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

Urbandale posted:

Prison solidarity work is exhausting stego, dont kick yourself over it. its common for their orbit to just do brief transcription stints.

Ya try a more productive activity like working for the Sanders campaign.. Er I mean the PSL



I thought we already had this thread

#123

stegosaurus posted:

this shit is making me think that we need to form a collective cell for mim prisons and do like, 99% of their typing.


I think they'd rather get porn than another copy of mim notes but what do I know

#124
Put away for 25 years for armed robbery: expected loneliness, bad food, and fearing for one's safety in the yard -- didn't expect to be spammed with shitty mimeographs filled with deliberate misspelling
#125
Swirls, how does it feel to troll a forum for years and not offend anyone?
#126
I just realized u two weren't the same poster
#127

walkinginonit posted:

Swirls, how does it feel to troll a forum for years and not offend anyone?


Who are you?

#128
EmmanuelaBrolandi
#129
ill put like one chapter together today. this will take a while because i have a lot of other shit im doing like always. thank everyone who has contributed/promised to contribute thus far, this is going to be dope
#130
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#131
lmao i wasnt ready for this

Gompers himself, a Jewish immigrant who became the most powerful bourgeois labor leader in the U.S., co-authored in 1902 a mass-distributed racist tract entitled: Some Reasons For Chinese Exclusion: Meat vs. Rice, American Manhood vs. Asiatic Coolieism- Which Shall Survive?



jesus christ

its not even funny i shouldnt be laughing its just even cruder than i was prepared to imagine

#132
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#133
i don't think any gompers could ever stand a chance against the might of a donkers
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#135
I've read more now and actually I don't think the bolding may actually be a scanning issues BC sometimes it makes no sense
#136
i started reading settlers and i'm like
#137

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

I've read more now and actually I don't think the bolding may actually be a scanning issues BC sometimes it makes no sense



there's an epub on aaaaaaaaarg of the 2014 edition, not a scan, that retains some of the bolding. everything that's left makes sense though, like there aren't any random ass-bolded words left, just important sentences + paragraphs

#138
I put up a quote from the book w a link to read settlers.org and a guy said I sound like a conspiracy theory retard bc I cited a book that spells America with a K
#139
And that the US invading Japan was good because we gave Japanese women the right to vote?
#140
we gave japanese women the right to be shoppin
#141

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

I put up a quote from the book w a link to read settlers.org and a guy said I sound like a conspiracy theory retard bc I cited a book that spells America with a K



so that guy is probably retarded but since the website is "read settlers" and i guess the idea is to get people to read settlers who might otherwise not be inclined to do so it might be worth including a link to a brief essay contextualizing the spelling. unless it's just not worth explaining things to idiots, then i don't know

#142

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

I put up a quote from the book w a link to read settlers.org and a guy said I sound like a conspiracy theory retard bc I cited a book that spells America with a K



Untied Snakes of AmeriKKK is kind of a bridge too far for most people, because it's obviously and transparently stupid. Not me. I accept it.

#143
this makes sense to me for "afrika" but it's true, spelling "amerika" does seem stupid, keven. it doesn't bother me because i'm not looking for shit to get worked up about, and because the book is good and the info checks out when i look into it. or maybe it's not actually transparently stupid, what the fuck do i know. but maybe even if it seems fucking goofy there is a way to contextualize it and soften people's attitudes toward it. or maybe we can just be real smart at each other in our forum of 20 people, that's fine too.
#144
The whole point of settlers is that no white dude on the internet will read more than three pages of a book that says Amerika before they're like "nah this is a stupid book like I thought"
#145
oh
#146
Non pig class white ppl cannot convert pig class people, only become more like them in attempting to curry their favor
#147

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

The whole point of settlers is that no white dude on the internet will read more than three pages of a book that says Amerika before they're like "nah this is a stupid book like I thought"



Yeah .

#148
i like alternative spellings because if you cant get at the argument of a book because your turned off by a spelling you disagree with you're not really serious anyway. that said i dont use the spelling seriously myself and i understand problems people would have with it. and im not accusing anyone here of being unserious because they have issues with the spellings.
#149
It's not like it's an accident or something. That's the you must be THIS tall to ride sign.
#150
anyway i did chapter two this weekend. it doesnt have the footnotes yet but all we need to do is fill in the footnote bodies with links, the html part of it is taken care of.

http://readsettlers.org/ch2.html
#151
The idea behind it is "Amerika" refers to the white, African and xicano nations or whatever instead of America the nation state

Right?
#152
i dont really know. that sounds right.
#153
it would be cool to have a note directly from j sakai about that spelling similiar to the explanation for afrika. with context or whatever. if people really really need something like that.
#154
Like i said im p sure Sakai's point is that the few class aware settlers shouldn't double down on trying to start a genuine class consciousness in pig class whites but should join with actual proletarian movements so I don't know if that's necessary... but I could be wrong, tho he says that exact thing like 25 pages into the book so
#155
i read that part and i understand the applicability... i didn't write the book though, sakai did, and if a brief explanation and contextualization could get more people reading sakai, it seems as much worth doing as establishing a site hosting the text at all is worth doing. i don't think i could personally write or cite a good explanation right now though so i'll leave it at that
#156
You're right I was being pessimistic. But also lol the idea of all the crazy online shit you'd have to read to try and cite the use of Amerika by the leftists of the world who write Amerika
#157
well, there might be some good ones, like i think the one i linked for afrika is really straightforward and easy to understand, and might be a good starting point... and i think what you pointed out above about referring to the component nations of the continent is a good start too, because the thing is that people's conception of writing "amerika" is like it's just a mean way of saying the nation-state properly called the united states of america, to show that the speaker doesn't like it. but sakai does use it to establish amerika as specifically the settler nation, and he clearly differentiates it materially from the Empire (which correlates much more closely to the united states as many readers will understand it) and from the afrikan nation and the indian nations...

i dunno though, i'm going to get back to reading, maybe i will have more to say on the issue when i'm finished
#158
i keep coming up with shit but it might be a good idea to add further reading to the bottom of each chapter, with stuff written after 1975 or w/e. for instance chapter 3 has a discussion of the haitian revolution, maybe the 'further reading' section should include clr james book and confronting black jacobins? as well as a bunch of newer books like river of dark dreams about the political economy of slavery.
#159
so maybe pick a chapter and suggest some crap and ill throw it in there

there should also be basic marxist links too, like to introductory material on the national question or the definition of class etc.
#160

EmanuelaBrolandi posted:

The idea behind it is "Amerika" refers to the white, African and xicano nations or whatever instead of America the nation state

Right?



i thought it was

In the 1960s and early 1970s in the United States, leftists, particularly the Yippies, sometimes used Amerika rather than America in referring to the United States. It is still used as a political statement today. It is likely that this was originally an allusion to the German spelling of the word, and intended to be suggestive of Nazism, a hypothesis that the Oxford English Dictionary supports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satiric_misspelling