#361
the HOI4 fallout mod is gonna get a strange new update soon

#362
really cool that debating a twitch streamer is seen as the kind of propaganda effort a socialist movement should perform. content producers and consumers are the real proletariat

just like posting here
#363
experiment: pretend the internet doesn't exist for a year
#364
just a year?
#365
i spent ~1.5 yrs trying to propagandize on a different forum. i thought the current would be favorable because it was a pirate forum which materially questioned the ridiculous property relationship in its essense. like with computer games these spaces are filled by the class with the free time to post on forums, is the conclusion i've come to. a couple people crystallized socdem get-mine politics into class consciousness (marxism's the only scientific game in town and people universally appreciate the conversation being elevated above punditry), but the majority remained socdem LA/PB, and racist-but-just-because-i-like-being-racist-and-it-makes-me-feel-free landlord types. it was made a "white space" by the unending efforts of the landlord types, land question replicating its history in high tech. and a couple lower-proletarians who got shit on. my major successes were a read-thru of settlers, helping get the major fascist banned, and the most vocal (unfunny) racist marginalized. the soil is probably about as fertile as a private school campus. past gens of reds really let the weeds grow tho, is what i learned.

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#366
debate with destiny
#367
manifestmanlet destiny
#368

Belphegor posted:

I wish I had your idealism, synergy.



after seeing Richard Wolff debate a bunch of reactionary people on tv shows it made me realize that he's doing a good job of bringing new perspectives to audiences that have probably never heard them before. even if only 5% of the people who watch that start to doubt their understanding of the world, it's still a better outcome then expecting the masses to suddenly become "woke" by themselves somehow. also in regards to my unpopular opinions on this forum, i'm never going to pretend to agree with every point made here to win upvotes or whatever. collaborating with the average joe means not having 100% consensus, or people that have read every book, or have the same level of intelligence you have, that's the reality. being like "ha ha your so stupid" is not going to win anyone over to your cause. that kind of hostility has nearly made me leave a couple of times in the past and while i'm sure some here would consider that a victory, applying that kind of purity test to the rest of the world is going to leave you with very few allies.

edit: btw, the majority of this post isn't directed at you Belphegor, sorry if it appeared that way.

i also wanted to point out that regardless of what anyone thinks of Hasan, when he debated Destiny a lot of viewers were convinced enough (1-2k increase in viewership) to join Hasan's channel in defense of socialism

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#369
this just in, the masses watch twitch and are not yet woke.
#370
debate me cowards
#371
Destiny has cultivated a loyal audience that already either agrees with him on everything or is to the right of him and are just waiting for him to start agreeing with them on everything.
#372
How do you read Marx and Lenin and come to understand history as the history of class struggle and Marxism as a theoretical weapon of the proletariat and then act like Marxism is something you evangelize to petite bourgeois nerds who are as a class descending into fascism and misanthropy globally?
#373
web 2.0 communists
#374

dimashq posted:

How do you read Marx and Lenin and come to understand history as the history of class struggle and Marxism as a theoretical weapon of the proletariat and then act like Marxism is something you evangelize to petite bourgeois nerds who are as a class descending into fascism and misanthropy globally?



i can tell you why i tried if this was a q to me

1) class character isn't as clear online, the 'measurement' is taken in a couple days of talking to somebody IRL. but one poster might reveal in one post how he's living off his landlord wife's rents, and you have to remember small facts like this for everyone and make your own dialectical connections between their class and their ideology
2) i figured the class character would look like it does for ppl i know who use torrents vs paying for shit irl. ppl for who $10/mo netflix is real money
3) they hate the police, so i figured that people going nword nword nword, i could point out they're speaking the cop's ideology, and use marxism to explain why racism is the cop's ideology. the fash got exiled as a cop risk.
4) it's always worth it to listen to people talk about their ideology, their understanding of the world. why not?- it's practice. chemists don't become alchemists and evolutionary theorists don't become creationists b/c truth rolls downhill, so marxists don't become socdem news junkies with patchwork liberal ideology, no real risk to me. so if on an ordered list of usefulness, it's behind organizing a conspiracy of workers, but ahead of everything else and recreation, then we should of course try to discuss marxism with others to learn it better
5) it was worth testing my assumptions about the terrain of these new online social spaces. for one thing it showed how twitter has strategically cut every rope i used on this forum to speak and listen, and reds on there are truly wasting their time, spinning in place, 4) almost doesn't apply there b/c you can't apply the science there at all
6) as i came to figure out the class characters of posters i could apply the classic theory and sakai's ideas of the land question. US racism/fascism concentrated on the landowners and womanizers, socdem politics on metropole $$$ workers, and the people w/ ho chi minh posters or who liked mao's good work he did in china against the landlords, in the lower proletariat, a lot of times w/ substance issues
7) like sakai says the real 3rd rail in US politics isn't race, which is discussed widely and openly, it's class, which people still think means how much money ya got in the bank.
8) people who can afford to post at 3pm on a tuesday on computers have a class character which enables that. i'm pretty dense i guess, this took me too long to understand

edit: maybe the other insight, it's like synergy was saying here, when you post you are both in conversation and on the stage. one purpose of typing on these places, is to just be in conversation+learn and not worry about all the eyes on you. another purpose is to create conversations which will encourage a certain type of lurker/reader, to walk up from the audience, and get up on stage, and let this process feed back on itself. the character of the social space definitely changed, but to the class limits of the readers, in this case the forum. sorry!

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#375

toyotathon posted:

twitter has strategically cut every rope i used on this forum to speak and listen, and reds on there are truly wasting their time, spinning in place


back in like 2014 i genuinely learned a good deal from some twitter reds, and i'd credit them with helping me overcome some trotty klimanite tics -- hell, discipline's open rhiz recruitment calls over there are how i found my way back to this little enclave

but yeah, its usefulness has really collapsed. a few worthwhile voices still float around, but mostly it seems like a platform for harrying people until they have mental breakdowns

#376
everyone who talks about debating people on Twitch after this post will be IFAPed and banned to prevent self-harm. Because I’m going to jump into traffic if I read any more of this shameful bullshit
#377
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/us-army-unveils-esports-team-at-pax-west-as-recruitment-tool/981581962
#378
"Are video games good? Should we debate Marxism on Twitch?" the thread that went on 400 posts and destroyed the forums, spiritually locked by the de facto moderator elemennop
#379

elemennop posted:

"Are video games good? Should we debate Marxism on Twitch?" the thread that went on 400 posts and destroyed the forums, spiritually locked by the de facto moderator elemennop



respect elemennop but that’s like one demented guy using one page of Petrols thread on his path toward a meltdown ban... Hell,

#380
now that the forbidden topic has moved to another thread, killed that thread and died forever, Im curious about video games...... will they still exist in 2020? 2021? Mods??
#381
video games will not exist in 2020. not sure about 2021 but im leaning towards no
#382
i agree with cars, as the war has spilled over to the china thread, i rescind my earlier spiritual edict and propose we use this thread like the syrian's used idlib to focus the terrorist into one manageable location
#383
i agree with cars, as the war has spilled over to the china thread, i rescind my earlier spiritual edict and propose we use this thread like the syrian's used idlib to focus the terrorist into one manageable location
#384
The motion has been seconded and carries without objection.
#385
thread now about 3D modelling???

i came up w/ a function algebra that makes shapes. i was trying to make like, perl for 3D graphics. where a single line describes a very complicated shape. it uses set comprehensions. the idea is you can 3D print the equation of a shape onto itself, so somebody can duplicate it. today you can 'xerox' a print using a 2nd $$$$ scanning machine, but w/ generational loss (like a copy of a copy of a copy). this is like if a UPC barcode told you also how to manufacture something. today that'd mean maybe 10MB .stl, but this algebra's just a line, like 0.5KB. i made it for 2D shapes but it could generalize to 1D, 3D, 4D... nested sets pop out of the algebra as additional spacial dimensions... i tried out every algebra i could think of & worked problems using their internal logic. i probably tried like 10 algebras until i found one that worked. an algebra's just a bunch of rules for manipulating symbols. you think up rules and then check them against problems. if it calculates the thing you wanted you're in business. usually you get close but it doesn't. in this case it's how to feed variables to functions like y=a*x^2 + b*x + c. but maybe 'a' is a function of x, and b is a function of y. or all variables are functions of some other vector. anyway i'm hella proud of myself!! i'm a math sub-midwit, but i been studying hard! new algebra, baby!!

here are some renders of an M2.5 X 0.45 bolt at different places within the ANSI bolt standard's tolerance zone. did you konw CAD programs just kind of fake their bolts? like they don't write them to the ANSI standard. they just kind of helix-extrude a 60deg triangle at some pitch.... real life bolts aren't like that








but like in this function algebra if say, your lathe or rolling machine has a vibration of some frequency, then w/ maybe 20 characters, you can add little dips n spikes to the diameters of bolts to represent that periodic change in machine state. everything is just sets and functions!!!!
#386
y'know, im starting to think that video game isn't all that communist after all.
#387
now hiring programmers & graphic designers, responsibilities include making my dream of a communist vidego game a reality. i can't pay you right away & pay depends on how our kickstarter goes
#388
i cant stop playing this stupid fucking game. almost a decade of solid communist and workplace organising hamstrung by some buggy SoCal liberal trash heap that crashes to desktop if your feng shui is shit. i fucking hate this

#389
Yeah new vegas was great, i put almost 600 hours into.
#390
my video game idea: a video game, but good
#391

cars posted:

toyotathon posted:

toyotathon posted:

cars posted:

Tetris, by The Soviet Union.


#392


kinda interesting the global south is into ck2
#393

trakfactri posted:

kinda interesting the global south is into ck2



reminds me of one of those proto-fascist "races of the world" atlases

global south = filial piety, working to improve one's station

eurasia = "totalitarian*" fetishism (*paradox's usage)

old world west = undead imperialist animus

anglosphere = escapist technofetishist trash

#394
ck3 confirmed
#395
Fuck all you, vicky is queen.
#396
#397
for anyone else curious about the new-old imperialist agitprop, there are already uploads on youtube

#398

damoj posted:

for anyone else curious about the new-old imperialist agitprop, there are already uploads on youtube



25 minutes in:

- CIA-Marine night-time raiders don't use night-vision goggles
- Russians use mercs, West doesn't and is obsessed with the Laws of War
- visibly Kurdish commander lady is just a genericised Arab rebel who takes issue with The Real Terrorists and Russia

now this is pod-racing

#399
where's the mission where i hike into somethingistan with my friends to take pictures for the CIA stock photos department But It All Goes Wrong
#400

serafiym posted:

where's the mission where i hike into somethingistan with my friends to take pictures for the CIA stock photos department But It All Goes Wrong



not sure but one hour in...

- CIA guy is just blindly falling into supporting these rebels, no intentionality whatsoever except some sympathy & anti-Russian antipathy
- the rebels employ C4-ladden drones to attack a Russian base; totally their idea, the CIA dude that they all suddenly like and trust for no good reason is just given the privilege of guiding a few
- at the very beginning there's a lovely CIA-commander vs Those-Are-My-Guys Marine argument that exposes the fact that the regular Russian forces are not to be openly targeted by US assets... but an Apache is just called in for no particularly good reason to help the rebel assault on Russians



the level of narrative consistency here is just pathetic, arguably worse than real-life "objective media coverage". only treyarch CoDs seem to have some grounding in reality/consistency (cf. Black Ops 2)