#241
it's times like this i thank the many extant gods that you have not yet and are prohibited by the laws of the forum and the universe from changing that avatar
e: lets get that on the new page

stegosaurus posted:

no i totally agree. its pathetic that even the mildest, biggest-tent, vaguest anticommunist social democratic formation only has 20k members in a country of 350 million people. that this is the case is of course completely explained by third worldist analysis.

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#242

stegosaurus posted:

no i totally agree. its pathetic that even the mildest, biggest-tent, vaguest anticommunist social democratic formation only has 20k members in a country of 350 million people. that this is the case is of course completely explained by third worldist analysis.

i know but on the other hand the only way it's going to get bigger is if people join but on the other other hand (third hand) i've been to leftist events and if it's just pointless dithering punctuated by insane people rambling about their pet issue i am going to roll my eyes like a cartoon skeleton

#243

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

stegosaurus posted:

no i totally agree. its pathetic that even the mildest, biggest-tent, vaguest anticommunist social democratic formation only has 20k members in a country of 350 million people. that this is the case is of course completely explained by third worldist analysis.

i know but on the other hand the only way it's going to get bigger is if people join but on the other other hand (third hand) i've been to leftist events and if it's just pointless dithering punctuated by insane people rambling about their pet issue i am going to roll my eyes like a cartoon skeleton

#244

stegosaurus posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

stegosaurus posted:

no i totally agree. its pathetic that even the mildest, biggest-tent, vaguest anticommunist social democratic formation only has 20k members in a country of 350 million people. that this is the case is of course completely explained by third worldist analysis.

i know but on the other hand the only way it's going to get bigger is if people join but on the other other hand (third hand) i've been to leftist events and if it's just pointless dithering punctuated by insane people rambling about their pet issue i am going to roll my eyes like a cartoon skeleton

this would be a good motto for a rev org

#245
you should start one. i'll make the wiki
#246

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

stegosaurus posted:

no i totally agree. its pathetic that even the mildest, biggest-tent, vaguest anticommunist social democratic formation only has 20k members in a country of 350 million people. that this is the case is of course completely explained by third worldist analysis.

i know but on the other hand the only way it's going to get bigger is if people join but on the other other hand (third hand) i've been to leftist events and if it's just pointless dithering punctuated by insane people rambling about their pet issue i am going to roll my eyes like a cartoon skeleton

i have had fun making friends with irl leftists(even some anarchists) and then drinking together and going on weekend trips together and then even trolling republican town halls together. the big trick is to try and make friends with the ones at the meetings that aren't insane. this gets easier the bigger the tent is (but i know this is counterrevolutionary to say)

#247
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#248
the mao boolean bot is becoming coherent
#249
as donald said about this occasion, never forget that a dedicated group of 19 people can change the world
#250
We should have an urgent thread. Check out nazi scum raising money to bus people into Berkeley on Thursday. If you can go, join antifa to stop them. http://theredelephants.com/help-group-get-berkeley-stand-antifa/
#251
im slowly (and in an area with no actual branch so who knows what da fuck ill even do) joining the pissle
#252
same i wanna but theres none in my area :/
#253
gl to all entryists
#254
Oops I accidentally am in the DSA. What do I do.
#255
#256
lol
#257
this guy's a hero, hit nazis with bike lock and he's a prof at sfsu https://darktriadman.com/2017/04/20/murderous-antifa-with-bike-lock-outed-as-san-francisco-state-university-professor/
#258
the alt-right responses on twitter are pretty horrific. they want blood and it feels like the first time they've had a name and a face on whom to target their hate and anger. and the liberal reaction is essentially the same but with less bloodthirst.
#259
That's why we need weapons and a well regulated communist militia.
#260

stegosaurus posted:

That's why we need weapons and a well regulated communist militia.

I'll create the website

#261
Safest option is probably to create or sponsor local clubs to promote self defense
#262
How are we supposed to compete with someone like Ivan Thorne,dark triad man?

IVAN THRONE is the bestselling author of The Nine Laws. He is a powerful speaker, business manager and seasoned veteran of the financial industry with over thirty years of study in the classical Japanese military fighting arts

#263
Whats the point of learning to use a gun when the enemy has 30+ YEARS of classical Japanese military training
#264
i know a lot of people at DVC, good place. hope nobody comes and tries to fuck with campus. they dont have a quad (bulldozed and buildings put where it used to be) so hopefully the fascists get pushed into a duck pond filled with bike locks
#265
It took communists three minutes to align with gun owners. Or less.
#266

spectralmarx posted:

It took communists three minutes to align with gun owners. Or less.

i dont know a lot of anti gun communists tbh

#267
It is kinda funny to see them troll the SPLC so effectively

It starts with a prospect declaring himself a “Proud Boy,” suiting up in Fred Perry polo shirts with yellow strips—similar to those worn by skinheads.

The second degree is a “cereal beat-in” during which the new member is punched and beaten by current members until the plebe can rattle off the names of five cereals (you know, Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies, Cheerios!)

The third degree reported involves “adhering to the masturbation regimen and getting a tattoo,” blogger Will Sommer wrote in a recent post.

#268

catchphrase

#269
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#270
it's about militarosolutionism, the natural response reaction should have been petrol bombs
#271

spectralmarx posted:

militarosolutionism

hrmmm 🤔

#272
Revolution, the substitution of one social system for another, has always been a struggle, a painful and a cruel struggle, a life and death struggle. And every time the people of the new world came into power, they had to defend themselves against the attempts of the old world to restore the old order by force; these people of the new world always had to be on the alert, always had to be ready to repel the attacks of the old world upon the new system. Yes, you are right when you say that the old social system is breaking down; but it is not breaking down of its own accord. Take Fascism for example. Fascism is a reactionary force which is trying to preserve the old world by means of violence. What will you do with the fascists? Argue with them? Try to convince them? But this will have no effect upon them at all. Communists do not in the least idealize the methods of violence. But they, the Communists, do not want to be taken by surprise, they cannot count on the old world voluntarily departing from the stage, they see that the old system is violently defending itself, and that is why the Communists say to the working class: Answer violence with violence; do all you can to prevent the old dying order from crushing you, do not permit it to put manacles on your hands, on the hands with which you will overthrow the old system. As you see, the Communists regard the substitution of one social system for another, not simply as a spontaneous and peaceful process, but as a complicated, long and violent process. Communists cannot ignore facts.
#273
yeah...as something of a student of history, i always laugh when i hear people talk about how violence never solves everything. i'm a huge fan of using intellectual arguments to persuade people, but i think any child in a schoolyard knows that if neither side backs down, it'll end in violence. of course, there are also those who believe they can win the physical fight and just skip straight to it.
i think everyone should realise that capitalists, who are fine with constant violence to maintain their power, would use violence against any attempt to reduce it.
#274
i'll do an effort post on it later if needed but USAID or w/e conspiracy organ you want to care about contributes a shitload of money to groups like ICNC (International Center on Non-Violent Conflict) and those groups in turn fund studies like the NAVCO Data Project which can "empirically" prove the success of non-violent resistance over violent resistance.

Chenoweth, of University of Denver, one of the leads on this specific project, is a popular reference for liberal peaceniking.

More to the point, though, you can dig through the NAVCO data yourself and it's hilariously bad.

maybe in a different thread i'll post my analysis but digging through all of the conflicts, out of 1700 only around 40 are a: actually peaceful without an actual violent arm and b: successful.

furthermore, 36 out of those conflicts have occurred since the 1980s.

here's the list:

campaign	location	year	target
Anti-Jimenez	Venezuela	1958	Jimenez dictatorship
Anti-Karamanlis	Greece	1963	Karamanlis regime
Greece Anti-Military	Greece	1974	Military rule
Poland Warsaw worker uprising	Poland	1976	Communist regime
Argentina pro-democracy movement	Argentina	1982	military junta
Bolivian Anti-Junta	Bolivia	1982	Military juntas
Argentina pro-democracy movement	Argentina	1983	military junta
Anti-Jaafar	Sudan	1985	Jaafar Nimiery
Taiwan pro-democracy movement	Taiwan	1985	autocratic regime
Argentiana coup plot	Argentina	1987	attempted coup
Hungary pro-dem movement	Hungary	1989	Communist regime
Solidarity	Poland	1989	Communist regime
Velvet Revolution	Czechoslovakia	1989	Communist regime
Benin Anti-Communist	Benin	1990	Communist regime
Mongolian Anti-communist	Mongolia	1990	Communist regime
Slovenia Anti-Communist	Slovenia	1990	Communist regime
Velvet Revolution	Czechoslovakia	1990	Communist regime
Anti-Arap Moi	Kenya	1991	Daniel Arap Moi
Belarus Anti-Communist	Belarus	1991	Communist regime
Kyrgyzstan Democratic Movement	Kyrgyzstan	1991	USSR
Latvia pro-dem movement	Latvia	1991	Communist regime
Russia pro-dem movement	Russia	1991	Anti-coup
Sajudis/ Lithuanian pro-democracy movement/	Lithuania	1991	Lithuanian regime
Singing Revolution	Estonia	1991	Communist regime
Zambia Anti-Single Party	Zambia	1991	One-party rule
Mali Anti-Military	Mali	1992	Military rule
Niger Anti-Military	Niger	1992	Military rule
Public Against Violence	Slovakia	1992	Czech communist government
Thai pro-dem movement	Thailand	1992	Suchinda regime
Anti-Banda	Malawi	1993	Banda regime
Croatian Institutional Reform	Croatia	1999	semi-presidential system
Anti-Fujimori	Peru	2000	Fujimori govt
Anti-Milosevic	Serbia	2000	Milosevic regime
Anti-PRI	Mexico	2000	corrupt govt
Anti-Rawlings	Ghana	2000	Rawlings govt
Croatian Institutional Reform	Croatia	2000	semi-presidential system
Anti-Chiluba	Zambia	2001	Chiluba regime
Rose Revolution	Georgia	2003	Shevardnadze regime
Cedar Revolution	Lebanon	2005	Syrian forces
#275
the liberal disease of individualism infects this topic as it does all others. the pacifist is squeamish about any violence because it offends their sense of self. the anarchist prefers the personal catharsis of lashing out at the enemy without regard to strategy. the communist must know better.
#276

Petrol posted:

the liberal disease of individualism infects this topic as it does all others. the pacifist is squeamish about any violence because it offends their sense of self. the anarchist prefers the personal catharsis of lashing out at the enemy without regard to strategy. the communist must know better.

the communist knows that the revolution will be tweeted

#277
I'm an 'anti-gun' pacifist communist with zero qualms about using guns and violence in general for the cause
#278
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#279
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#280
After going to that climate march I decided to look into the leftist activity in my state, I always had a notion that there wasn't much here but I had no idea it was this bleak

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