#2641
CNN dot com is extremely performatively pissed off







#2642
i know i am in a minority on here wrt the ypg but if assad does check this forum out, please do a deal with them and help them fuck up the turkish army and the jihadi failsons the turks work with mr assad, please, for christmas mr assad.
#2643
They had a working military relationship somewhat recently, but I havent really been keeping up with the situation
#2644

JohnBeige posted:

They had a working military relationship somewhat recently, but I havent really been keeping up with the situation



saa and ypg have fought alongside each other before, i've read there's quite a lot of (cautious) mutual respect there. idk why they didn't pursue the negotiations earlier this year, yeah the government's terms were harsh but that's negotiation isn't it, give them a counter-offer ffs. it seemed like the YPG knew, at one point, not to trust the US, but this year has shown how badly they've miscalculated.

#2645


"After the US decision to withdraw. SDF leadership and the Syrian government are holding a high-level meeting to discuss the handover of the oil fields in the east of the Euphrates"

hmmmmmmmmm.......syrian government are surely gonna want a lot more in this round of talks...and this is from the SOHR so it's probably bullshit
#2646
the ypg are pretty useless and Afrin proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt if anyone ever had any after their "brilliant" ""victory"" in Raqqa
#2647

MarxUltor posted:

the ypg are pretty useless and Afrin proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt if anyone ever had any after their "brilliant" ""victory"" in Raqqa


like i said, i'm in a minority on here and i'm well aware most of their muscle came from american firepower. w/r/t afrin, once that firepower was withdrawn i'm not sure any outfit would stand much chance with AKs and RPGs against a well-equipped enemy working in tandem with jihadis and the remnants of ISIS.

#2648
ya id hope people on this forum would be less smug about the imminent genocide of the kurds
#2649
is it possible that the syrian state may offer protection and reinforcement for the kurds? it might be a deterrent if turkey sees an assault as likely to trigger a russian response too
#2650
Yes they just have to basically unconditionally surrender to Damascus but now they don't really have a choice.



God willing Turkey will stay out.
#2651
I tire of the unassailable pro-Erdoğan hegemony at rhizzone .net
#2652

elias posted:

ya id hope people on this forum would be less smug about the imminent genocide of the kurds


In all sincerity, I'm pretty sure this is actually their best hope to not be genocided since the whole mess of shit started. The Kurds were always 100% definitely unquestionably going to be sold by the US to Turkey. How many times have we betrayed them to everyone else in the region who isn't even a NATO member? The way this is happening at least gives them a chance to get over their own propaganda and surrender to Damascus just like every other raggedy militia in Syria has done in the past year when they were forced to wake up and realize america wasn't going to ride in and win the war just for them.

Trump's wholesale betrayal BEFORE the Turkish army crosses the border gives them the chance to join their peers from Douma, Ghouta, or Daraa in signing whatever reconciliation agreement the very nice man from Russia puts in front of them. They don't want to because they believe their own and the americans' bullshit about how special they ever were, and they thought that sitting on their ass pretending to fight ISIS for a few more months would buy them more heavy weapons and a US backed seat at an eventual bargaining table where they could hold the entire country's natural resources hostage. They very clearly had no fallback plan, and throughout the ordeal have generally demonstrated the strategic forward thinking abilities of a decorative koi.

Did anyone really maintain the illusion that the USA (let alone everyone with any legal say in the matter) would enthusiastically let them continue to suppress every other minority in the occupied territory and build a hostile ethnostate with all of Syria's stolen water, oil and olive fields right next to and over the objections of a NATO member who hates them? The only possible outcome was that the USA lets Erdogan go ham the day their use ended and bombs the shit out of any Resistance Axis member who crosses the Euphrates to help, if any were left to care at that point. Once the Saudis fucked up by being too stupid or lazy to stage a car accident or robbery or overdose like civilized spooks, handing Erdogan such a massive treasure of diplomatic leverage, the SDF's fate was obviously sealed and the message was given loud and clear by both Turkish and US authorities that the end was very imminent.

No one here wants the Kurdish people to be wiped out but the (formerly) US backed SDF/YPG project is a war crime, and if they end it, it goes a long way to ending the war, and letting the Syrians and Russians have a chance to prevent a genocide by occupying the border and slamming up a no-fly-zone backed by Russian S-400s and stealth fighters (all of them btw just itching to splatter some TuAF in case you forgot), and alleviate the real material suffering inflicted on millions of Syrians by the SDF's campaign of natural resource theft and american airstrikes.

#2653
the Secretary of Defense just quit. lol
#2654
I wonder if the Democrats will try to get Mattis to run in 2020 on an Assad-cursèd ticket
#2655
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#2656
CNN's snitches in the White House are now telling them that Trump's about to make the same sort of announcement about Afghanistan and they're mad, they're balling up their fists and they're very angry at this man Trump.
#2657
here's MSNBC today
#2658
honest question, which minorities have they been suppressing? i remember the UN accused them of ethnic cleansing a while ago and then retracted when it came out they'd evacuated some villages, then helped the residents to return after a fight with ISIS. I've had a look around and can't find anything.
edit: i mean, I'm not about to die on this hill so if what you say is true then ofc it's bad.

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#2659
all of em!!!!!
#2660
#2661
Spook / babykiller 2020 ticket. Democrat-ass ticket
#2662

cars posted:

all of em!!!!!



all I've found are two claims by amnesty and the UN that have since been retracted, a few shopped images on red kahina's twitter, and some hysterical horse shit from turkey and saudi affiliated sources with obvious agendas and zero evidence. people from minority groups who lived under the YPG seem to think quite highly of them. there was that whole helping the yazidis thing, too.
I'm not denying civilians have probably been killed during their engagements but this is a war, that's pretty much the norm.
tbf they did seem to have a strategy for dealing with an eventual american retreat but they clearly lost the plot, got over confident in their own position, and not accepting the syrian government's terms at the start of this year is the proof. not denying they've fucked themselves good and proper.
edit: just to be clear, imperialism is bad and i appreciate many of the points MarxUltra makes upthread. generally i don't talk about the YPG too much because quite often I'm not even entirely sure what my actual opinion of them is. it's vexing.

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#2663
I kind of enjoy the conceit that because the president said something, that's what's going to happen
#2664

ghostpinballer posted:

honest question, which minorities have they been suppressing? i remember the UN accused them of ethnic cleansing a while ago and then retracted when it came out they'd evacuated some villages, then helped the residents to return after a fight with ISIS. I've had a look around and can't find anything.
edit: i mean, I'm not about to die on this hill so if what you say is true then ofc it's bad.


I think that may have been more in Afrin actually, it was a while ago. And it wasnt ethnic cleansing or anything close to the scale the turks jihadi rabble did but still acting like settlers.

#2665

swampman posted:

I kind of enjoy the conceit that because the president said something, that's what's going to happen



they'll stick around in some capacity. despite their whole regime change thing turning into a total failure, they still tried demanding oil from the syrian government earlier this year ffs. they got laughed out of the room. the yanks are shame piggies.

#2666

swampman posted:

I kind of enjoy the conceit that because the president said something, that's what's going to happen


#2667
be hilarious if trump's the one to roll back the empire. peace and unity in korea and peace in syria. it'd be like obama re-starting the housing market, by foreclosing on black and hispanic territory, and upselling land to wh....
#2668
it's going to be interesting if this is what prompts the intelligence/security agents of the U.S. to drop the farce & assume direct control of the government through public leadership of the Democrats, because if there's one thing we can take for granted, it's that the Trump administration neither will nor can stop those agencies from doing whatever they want in Syria, Afghanistan or anywhere else
#2669
Like... it's perfectly reasonable for Democrats to believe John Brennan, a blood-drenched criminal retiree pig with no official role in the U.S. government, knows more about what the U.S. government has done and is doing in Syria than New York real-estate diddler President Donald Trump, because he absolutely 100% does. And that could be a winning platform in a United States national election, "elect the guys who run the country already".
#2670
I mean, never forget the career path of dead president goegre h w bush
#2671
This withdrawal sewms like the U.S trying to hand the Turkish-Kurd conflict over to the Russians. The Syrians absolutely prefer Kurdish control of the region over Turkish control, and the Russians and Iranians likely see things that way strategically, so if they trigger a stalemate with Turkey, it'll be their diplomats and coffers suffering the burden of maintaining Rojava, not the U.S.
#2672

Petrol posted:

I mean, never forget the career path of dead president goegre h w bush



especially his most popular moment, when it seemed to most people in the press that his re-election was guaranteed

#2673

toyotathon posted:

be hilarious if trump's the one to roll back the empire. peace and unity in korea and peace in syria.


The “left case for trump”

#2674

cars posted:

Petrol posted:

I mean, never forget the career path of dead president goegre h w bush

especially his most popular moment, when it seemed to most people in the press that his re-election was guaranteed


i was referring to the fact that he was the big CIA man before parachuting into the white house but yeah, that too

#2675

Petrol posted:

i was referring to the fact that he was the big CIA man before parachuting into the white house but yeah, that too



yeah i know dude...

#2676
what I'm saying is: when was the point the last straight-up CIA president was most beloved by the news press and why. Now compare it to this shit, right now, to where the CIA is at with the same set and why
#2677
#2678
the press in the U.S. has always preferred smug, obvious hints at murders planned or committed over the same sort of threats shrieked at the top of a man's lungs
#2679
i think hilary clinton might be a bad person you guys
#2680
i'm trying to imagine a 'roided Delta dude with deathshead tattoos on his balls shedding a tear while telling a Bookchin-reading YPJ 16 year-old he has to go to his home planet now