#641

xipe posted:

its about time to join some of these dots on a big board so we can gesticulate wildly at it


maybe get in touch with the university of nebraska-omaha?
the current director of the afghanistan department was invovled in the book project in he 80s.

also apparently pakistani/afghani teachers are still photocopying and and using them for their classes.
maybe it would be possible to get in touch online with someone who could ask someone to ask someone to make a copy?



I'm trying but no luck so far, will keep you posted

#642

glomper_stomper posted:

sakai said it better


catchphrase

#643
Prince may have revealed part of his strategy in a July 2016 radio interview with Steve Bannon, when he proposed recreating the CIA’s Phoenix Program, an assassination ring used in the Vietnam War, to battle ISIS. Prince said in the interview that the program would be used to kill or capture “the funders of Islamic terror, the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East.”

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/04/trump-white-house-weighing-plans-for-private-spies-to-counter-deep-state-enemies/

These guys sound like a bunch of incompetent boobs, exactly the kind of thing Trump wants



#644

xipe posted:

Another reason is most organizations today, due again probably to naivete about the workings of COINTELPRO, focus so much on "security culture." This is a serious error because this approach relies on false security actions like prohibiting cell phones in meetings and only permitting people to attend meetings if someone knows them. The holes in these amateur approaches should be obvious. Everyone in capitalist societies learns how to put on a front. That's requirement one in these backward systems. So, all these superficial approaches have done what for us?

http://www.abetterworld.me/blog/fred-hampton-cointelpro-how-activists-still-dont-get-it



i agree with the gist of this but i don't get why it seems to present it like those "superficial" security measures are bad, when they're demonstrable ways of closing particular avenues of surveillance that have been used against people by the state before.

the error is when people act like once they've done those things, prohibiting phones in meetings, etc., that they can then speak as though there aren't plenty of other ways of spying on them / entrapping them.

I mean, what those measures "have done for us" is close off one or two simple ways that left groups get fucked with, which is Good.

#645
Is there anything on MK Ultra in relation to the Phoenix Program and serial killings in ammerikkka?
#646
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#647

Caesura109 posted:

Very angry these past few days, America is irredeemable, someone give Iran and Hamas nukes


settle down beavis

#648

Populares posted:

Is there anything on MK Ultra in relation to the Phoenix Program and serial killings in ammerikkka?


you should check out David McGovern's programmed to kill

there are others w/ alternate/scheptical readings of individual cases like:
Terry Maury's The Ultimate Evil
ed sander's The Family

Douglas Valentine's "the phoenix program" is the go to on the phoenix program, highly recomended.


reader discresion is always advised

#649
you might also like this one by mcgowen about henry lee lucas, http://whale.to/b/henry.html

On June 30th of 1998, Henry Lee Lucas, arguably the most prolific and certainly one of the most sadistic serial killers in the annals of crime was scheduled for execution by the state of Texas. Given the advocacy of the death penalty by Governor George W. Bush, things clearly weren't looking good for Henry at that time.

Bush had not granted clemency to any condemned man in his tenure as governor. In fact, no governor of any state in the entire history of the country has carried out more judicial executions than has Governor George. At last count, the state of Texas had dispatched 130 inmates on Bush's watch.

So Texas was definitely not the place to be for a man in Henry's position. And considering the nature of Henry's crimes, it seemed a certainty that nothing would stand in the way of Henry's scheduled execution. There weren't likely to be any high-profile supporters, a la Karla Faye Tucker (though even personal appeals to Bush from the likes of Pat Robertson failed to dissuade the governor from proceeding on schedule with Miss Tucker's execution). Not likely because Henry's crimes were of a particularly brutal nature, involving rape, torture, mutilation, dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism, and pedophilia, with the number of victims running as high as 300-600 by some accounts - including Henry's own, at times - though this figure is likely inflated.

By all accounts though, Lucas, frequently working with partner Ottis Toole - a self described arsonist and cannibal - savagely murdered literally scores of victims of all ages, races, and genders. All indications were then that this was pretty much of a no-brainer for America's premier hanging governor. But then a most remarkable thing happened. On June 18, just twelve days before Henry's scheduled demise, Governor Bush asked the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members are appointed by Bush himself, to review Henry's case. Strangely enough, eight days later the Board uncharacteristically recommended that Henry's execution not take place.

The very next day, just three days short of Henry's scheduled exit from this world, Lucas became the first - and to date only - recipient of Governor Bush's compassionate conservatism. The official rationale for this act of mercy was, apparently, that the evidence on which Lucas was sentenced did not support his conviction. There was a possibility that Henry was in fact innocent of the crime for which he was convicted. Never mind that many of the 130 death row inmates who did not get special gubernatorial attention prior to their executions had credible claims of innocence that were met with by nothing but scorn and mockery.

Suddenly Little George had developed a keen interest in not executing innocent convicts. Never mind as well that some of those who have been executed despite claims of innocence were - other than the crime for which they were being executed - law-abiding citizens. Whereas Henry was by all accounts a serial rapist, kidnapper, torturer and murderer. And never mind that once Henry was spared, Bush promptly lost this passing interest and began once again rubber stamping every execution order that crossed his desk, including that of a great-grandmother in her sixties who was convicted of killing her chronically abusive husband (Betty Lou Beets, in February 2000).

And never mind that Bush has made no effort in the two years since Henry's commutation to seek a new trial for Henry on one of the murders for which there is conclusive evidence of Lucas' guilt. Neither has he made any effort to extradite Henry to any of the other states in which Henry is wanted for various murders. It seems to me that the last time I checked, there was no statute of limitations for the crime of murder. Why is Law-and-Order George not seeking a new death sentence for Lucas? And why is it that Henry was granted full clemency, rather than a temporary stay during which his case could have been reviewed? This is exactly what Bush has just done in the case of convicted murderer Ricky Nolen McGinn.

Tellingly, the proliferation of press reports on the McGinn case, apparently meant to soften Bush's image somewhat, have made virtually no reference to the governor's earlier actions on behalf of Lucas. Reporting on the McGinn case has avoided the mention of Lucas in one of two ways: by noting that this is the first capital case for which Bush has issued a stay (which is true but deliberately deceptive), or by claiming outright that this is the first death penalty case in which Bush has intervened (which is an outright and absolutely shameless lie).

And what if Lucas was in fact falsely convicted and his innocence was so blatantly obvious that the governor had no choice but to commute Henry's sentence? What then does this say about the Texas criminal justice system and the ease with which it sends innocent men to their deaths? Are we to believe that Henry's case was an isolated one and that none of the other men put to death during Bush's reign had equally credible claims of innocence?

Clearly, there was something more at work then in the Lucas case than simply a question of guilt. There had to be another reason why Bush would take such extraordinary steps to spare the life of a man who had led a life of such brutality. And this was certainly not the first time that the criminal justice system had shown such extraordinary leniency towards Lucas.

#650
ⓁⒾⒷⒼⒺⓃ has programmed to kill
#651
mainSStream KKKonspiracy

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/

Apparently hezb are the villains in an upcoming benicio del toro Hollywood movie too, woot
#652
https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=844015&privcapId=240672662
o_0
#653

Gssh posted:

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=844015&privcapId=240672662o_0


"Energous Corporation" is the kind of name you give to the front company for your evil conspiracy in a standard cyberpunk novel or jrpg

#654

Other Affiliations:
Troika Networks, Inc.

#655

Gssh posted:

Other Affiliations:
Troika Networks, Inc.


nice, they made a bunch of classic rpgs

#656
Any thoughts on bio weapon conspiracies?

Anthrax incidents have uncovered some dodgy stuff

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-642-update-on-the-anthrax-attacks-aids-and-biological-warfare/
http://spitfirelist.com/news/further-indications-of-a-cover-up-in-the-anthrax-attacks/
http://inthesetimes.com/article/448/biowar_and_the_apartheid_legacy
https://youtu.be/nb3ESzWUrCs
https://youtu.be/PquqlX8wnT0

Often speculated by Africans/ridiculed by westerners is the idea that aids was lab created and released... Personally I think the fact that DIY BIO labs today allow garage generic tinkerers and average racist terror groups to create bioweapons renders a lot of the controversy that our racist terrorist governments might have created bioweapons 30 years ago moot and that we can investigate dispassionately for facts useful today
#657
https://antifascistnews.net/2017/02/28/aids-conspiracy-theories-tracking-the-real-genocide-david-gilbert-1997/
#658
cutter labs in the 80s deliberately spread the AIDS virus into asia and latin america. they had a batch of HIV-contaminated blood that they offloaded to haemophiliacs. it was traced back to them, they got in a lot of trouble, they're paying fines to this day.

the standard explanation is that koate (the factor VIII product) is valuable, they didn't want to trash it, so they sold it to make a buck like it was a ford pinto or whatever. but i know a lil bit about the Factor VIII market and that makes zero sense. haemophilia-A is a recessive, male-only disease. the drugs are marketed to children because if you can hook their young bodies, which adapt to the drug, then you have secured a lifetime customer. despite being fully treatable it's actually on the cutting list for modern eugenicists like Peter Singer (warning, really awful stuff about killing sick babies). it makes no financial sense for a drug company to kill off its limited patient supply for a very profitable drug (koate's followup drugs sell for >$1billion/kg), it's not like cancer or flu or whatever which will always be with us.

so why deliberately spread HIV, and deliberately sell it to the third world, at your own expense?
#659

xipe posted:

Personally I think the fact that DIY BIO labs today allow garage generic tinkerers and average racist terror groups to create bioweapons



do you have any sources on this because i'm not really clear on specific examples of this happening. also the aids stuff doesn't hold up to scrutiny(although I think its understandable why those theories developed during the 80s and why they're still prevalent) because the evolutionary history of hiv is reasonably well known at this point and theres no indication of any kind of tampering, and if there was it would have had to have been done impossibly early(like 1920s), since it was present in the human population for decades in africa before spreading very far or being known about. there are some interesting things you could probably talk about in regard to the spread of aids at that time and colonialism though, since it seems to have originated and subsequently spread in the belgian congo:

..a roaring sex trade, rapid population growth and unsterilised needles used in health clinics probably spread the virus.

Meanwhile Belgium-backed railways had one million people flowing through the city each year, taking the virus to neighbouring regions.

#660
actually a high level conspiracy theory would be that hiv is manmade, but that it was created by secret belgian geneticists in 1920 rather than the US government
#661
hiv is manmade, it was created by secret belgian geneticists in 1920
#662
even though we're miles apart an AIDS of Fail connects our hearts
#663

lo posted:

xipe posted:

Personally I think the fact that DIY BIO labs today allow garage generic tinkerers and average racist terror groups to create bioweapons

do you have any sources on this because i'm not really clear on specific examples of this happening.

....

there are some interesting things you could probably talk about in regard to the spread of aids at that time and colonialism though, since it seems to have originated and subsequently spread in the belgian congo:

..a roaring sex trade, rapid population growth and unsterilised needles used in health clinics probably spread the virus.

Meanwhile Belgium-backed railways had one million people flowing through the city each year, taking the virus to neighbouring regions.



No source, just following the proliferation of biotinkering labs that are accessable to non wealthy or specialist people, and matching that with genetically modified viruses.


Re: the Congo AIDS origin, that source talks about how the virus was brought from there to Haiti in the 60s.
That reminds me of a different conspiracy (well, really more of an imperialism thing) which I think deserves a more comprehensive look: UN complicity in invasions and various other scummy behaviour

The UN brought cholera to Haiti (as did the UN Human Rights & Women's Rights chair Saudi Arabia bring cholera to Yemen)
https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sgsm18323.doc.htm

The Media have been framing UN mass rape and paedophilia networks as 'transactional sex', red meat to the humanitarian NGO complex
https://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/guilaine/since-i-gave-you-phone-it-s-not-rape

Here is a look at the rich recent history of UN agencies cashing in the credibility we give them to manufacture outright lies on behalf of US war against Iraq Syria and Iran
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/syria-experts-and-george-monbiot-how-the-iaea-conspire-with-israel-and-us/

Syria's UN envoy tells some interesting stories here, including how the UN organised a secret midnight 'session' to cover up its own fake investigation (all $billion expenses paid for by Iraqi people) to try to back up Bush's WMD claims


Sorry to jump around a bit.
I haven't really investigated bioweapons stuff

#664

xipe posted:

No source, just



catchphrase

#665
a higher level conspiracy would be that HIV evolved from SIV but its utility was immediately recognized and then deliberately spread, especially since that's been established and demonstrated
#666
the ur-conspiracy is that breathless hundreds of thinkpieces are penned to create repetitive, enclosed 'debate' over conspiracies (AIDS lab-made, moon hoax, russia election hack, 9/11 truth) to provide cover fire for related failures (AIDS epidemic, US loss of every major space milestone to the USSR, clinton campaign, terror attack)
#667
don't forget pizzagate as a cover for actual pedophiles at the highest levels of business, media and government
#668
A look at some of the surveillance and propaganda activities on the facebook platform

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-facebook-will-infiltrate-national-elections-and-rule-the-world-in-less-than-10-years-unless-732da197b8fd
#669
I like the author and the article looks very interesting. No time to read the whole thing right now but I wanted to say something about this part near the start:

Facebook can be disrupted. But it cannot be disrupted unless there is something else for people to plug into. It cannot be surpassed unless we are willing to accept that the widespread apathy and resignation surrounding the apparent inevitably of Facebook’s global supremacy is Zuckerberg’s greatest, and yet most undeserved, achievement.

The only way to free ourselves from this inexplicable condition is to shake off the resignation; it is not real...

Drop everything, yes literally, drop everything and support the building of alternatives to the future Zuckerberg and his colleagues are busy building for you. These alternatives will ground in a fundamentally different orientation: alternatives which are about decentralizing and redistributing access to resources; enhancing the way we approach information; and encouraging generative ways of interacting with one another.


I am afraid this might be missing the mark somewhat. He makes a very important point when he says the resignation felt towards Facebook's domination isn't real, but I think the solution is not to build a "facebook killer" alternative social network. This has been tried many times, incorporating the kinds of ideas he mentions (like open source alternatives that are decentralised rather than relying on monolithic corporate servers), but of course it always fails because there is nothing motivating the average person to shift from a network that all their friends and family use to one that's empty.

Instead I think the solution lies in moving past this poisonous 'social network' phase in the short history of the internet. I don't know how, or how quickly, this could happen, but I see a contest between Facebook's ability to build hooks into people's lives (by trying to replace the functionality of important personal things like photo albums and home movies) and its nature as a plodding behemoth that constantly needs to squeeze money out of users and their data. The latter is more likely than anything to make people get jack of platforms like this and just go back to living a real life with real personal connections, free of ads that pop up every time they try to look at a video of their friend's cat or baby or whatever. Facebook's very nature will likely be its undoing. One can only hope, anyway, because I can't think of anything proactive people can do apart from deleting their own accounts.

#670
i imagine anything i'm currently using fb for could just as easily be managed across gmail. but then every time i think of deactivating and slimming down to gmail i question "is google any better than fb?" fb is terrifying, but google is developing cyber tools for the us gov. i know it shouldn't be an all-or-nothing, hardbreaking luddite-rejection of digital interaction, but it can be disheartening to find the middle ground given the monopolistic domination.
#671
Email is a completely different beast. Without going into issues around google specifically, gmail is still basically just email and it's not prone to the issues of toxicity and social manipulation inherent in social networks
#672

xipe posted:

Any thoughts on bio weapon conspiracies?

Anthrax incidents have uncovered some dodgy stuff

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-642-update-on-the-anthrax-attacks-aids-and-biological-warfare/
http://spitfirelist.com/news/further-indications-of-a-cover-up-in-the-anthrax-attacks/
http://inthesetimes.com/article/448/biowar_and_the_apartheid_legacy
https://youtu.be/nb3ESzWUrCs
https://youtu.be/PquqlX8wnT0

Often speculated by Africans/ridiculed by westerners is the idea that aids was lab created and released... Personally I think the fact that DIY BIO labs today allow garage generic tinkerers and average racist terror groups to create bioweapons renders a lot of the controversy that our racist terrorist governments might have created bioweapons 30 years ago moot and that we can investigate dispassionately for facts useful today

reminder that the anthrax attacks of 2001 being committed by a right-wing government employee seeking to encourage a pro-war agenda by terrorizing (nominal) doves in congress isn't even a conspiracy theory, it's the FBI's official story

(oh fuck that's exactly what your links are about lol)

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#673
(and even that official story is shaky and full of holes)
#674

Petrol posted:

I like the author and the article looks very interesting. No time to read the whole thing right now but I wanted to say something about this part near the start:

Facebook can be disrupted. But it cannot be disrupted unless there is something else for people to plug into. It cannot be surpassed unless we are willing to accept that the widespread apathy and resignation surrounding the apparent inevitably of Facebook’s global supremacy is Zuckerberg’s greatest, and yet most undeserved, achievement.

The only way to free ourselves from this inexplicable condition is to shake off the resignation; it is not real...

Drop everything, yes literally, drop everything and support the building of alternatives to the future Zuckerberg and his colleagues are busy building for you. These alternatives will ground in a fundamentally different orientation: alternatives which are about decentralizing and redistributing access to resources; enhancing the way we approach information; and encouraging generative ways of interacting with one another.


I am afraid this might be missing the mark somewhat. He makes a very important point when he says the resignation felt towards Facebook's domination isn't real, but I think the solution is not to build a "facebook killer" alternative social network. This has been tried many times, incorporating the kinds of ideas he mentions (like open source alternatives that are decentralised rather than relying on monolithic corporate servers), but of course it always fails because there is nothing motivating the average person to shift from a network that all their friends and family use to one that's empty.

Instead I think the solution lies in moving past this poisonous 'social network' phase in the short history of the internet. I don't know how, or how quickly, this could happen, but I see a contest between Facebook's ability to build hooks into people's lives (by trying to replace the functionality of important personal things like photo albums and home movies) and its nature as a plodding behemoth that constantly needs to squeeze money out of users and their data. The latter is more likely than anything to make people get jack of platforms like this and just go back to living a real life with real personal connections, free of ads that pop up every time they try to look at a video of their friend's cat or baby or whatever. Facebook's very nature will likely be its undoing. One can only hope, anyway, because I can't think of anything proactive people can do apart from deleting their own accounts.



Agree with this. Facebook is like uber or even Amazon: the minute they try to actually profit the house of cards will collapse. That's because their fundamental business model has been to commodify the social reproduction cost of the petty-bourgeoisie by undercutting existing business. In Facebook/Twitter's case, they attempted to monetize social capital (or labor discipline) among the petty-bourgeois, a generalized model of struggles between interns on clickbait sites. Investors are interested because it this could be extended to the proletariat there is real money to be made: if you had to apply to jobs through Facebook, if the government required people on unemployment or probation to post on Facebook regularly, if facebook itself could be used to undercut labor through free Facebook transactions. Until then Facebook as you point out with be a parasite on people's lives outside the capitalist production process which sustains itself through the nebulous online ad industry and the cheap money flowing through the bubble economy to one of many possible methods of state control of online discourse. Amazon is more interesting to me because it aspires to be the platform for the entire circulation process rather than an mere appendage to labor discipline. That dream is grand enough to make Bezos the richest man in the world but if they fail, which they will, the fall will be astronomical.

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#675

xipe posted:

A look at some of the surveillance and propaganda activities on the facebook platform

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-facebook-will-infiltrate-national-elections-and-rule-the-world-in-less-than-10-years-unless-732da197b8fd



"The company that employed me strived only to serve up the cheapest fare that its customers would tolerate, churn it out as fast as possible, and charge as much as they could get away with. If it were possible to do so, the company would sell what all businesses of its kind dream about selling, creating that which all our efforts were tacitly supposed to achieve: the ultimate product – Nothing. And for this product they would command the ultimate price – Everything.

This market strategy would then go on until one day, among the world-wide ruins of derelict factories and warehouses and office buildings, there stood only a single, shining, windowless structure with no entrance and no exit. Inside would be – will be – only a dense network of computers calculating profits. Outside will be tribes of savage vagrants with no comprehension of the nature or purpose of the shining, windowless structure. Perhaps they will worship it as a god. Perhaps they will try to destroy it, their primitive armory proving wholly ineffectual against the smooth and impervious walls of the structure, upon which not even a scratch can be inflicted."

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#676
Dimitri Kleiner gives some reasons why building cargo-cult alternatives to FB etc will fail

#677
on the revolutionary implications of uBlock Origin - towards a marxist-lenninist understanding of adblockers
#678

thirdplace posted:

xipe posted:

Any thoughts on bio weapon conspiracies?

Anthrax incidents have uncovered some dodgy stuff

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-642-update-on-the-anthrax-attacks-aids-and-biological-warfare/
http://spitfirelist.com/news/further-indications-of-a-cover-up-in-the-anthrax-attacks/
http://inthesetimes.com/article/448/biowar_and_the_apartheid_legacy
https://youtu.be/nb3ESzWUrCs
https://youtu.be/PquqlX8wnT0

Often speculated by Africans/ridiculed by westerners is the idea that aids was lab created and released... Personally I think the fact that DIY BIO labs today allow garage generic tinkerers and average racist terror groups to create bioweapons renders a lot of the controversy that our racist terrorist governments might have created bioweapons 30 years ago moot and that we can investigate dispassionately for facts useful today

reminder that the anthrax attacks of 2001 being committed by a right-wing government employee seeking to encourage a pro-war agenda by terrorizing (nominal) doves in congress isn't even a conspiracy theory, it's the FBI's official story

(oh fuck that's exactly what your links are about lol)



Yes its interesting that the Western scientists involved in anthrax programs are often extreme racists who clustered around apartheid South Africa's weapons program.

Don't know if that's a significant pattern or what tho

#679
they found hiv in a 60 year old blood sample from the belgian congo, also its a rubbish bioweapon

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#680
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