#17281
i read "late victorian holocausts" and it was super. now im reading "the man without qualities" and its pretty funny so far
#17282
I'm reading Blue Mars which is a good book. KSR is one of those who writes "genre fiction" sure but I think he approaches being "literature" whatever that is very often. I like the Mars trilogy, I've read it over the course of the past couple of years. Honestly though I think I prefer reading KSR back on Earth, with the exception of Aurora which is his greatest book I think. I'm thinking specifically of Antarctica when I think of his Earth books, which knocked me out. Maybe I just prefer his stand-alones because getting everything concentrated really packs a wallop.

I'm reading Vincent Bevins' book The Jakarta Method which is about how anticommunism exterminated all its opponents to win the Cold War. Basic stuff, but the interviews in it are great. There's this one guy who worked for the People's Daily in Jakarta translating everything that came off the foreign wire services and it's interesting to see how, of course, the Communist press reported stuff like the Guatemala coup better than any of the capitalist press. And some accounts of the Festival of Youth and Students which always move me. Must have been just amazing going to those international gatherings.

#17283
yes KSR is good imo.
#17284
im reading "black metal: evolution of the cult" by dAyal patterson, its 600 pages about black metal. its really good and im listening to all the albums along with it, i listen to every demo and i listen to every demo hard. making whooshing noises when someone shrieks or even when they fuck up the timing
#17285
im raeding natos secret armies and a book about total synthesis

the nato one is really nice, a bit sloppily written or translated but a bunch of solid and well compiled info and as it was written like 20 y ago probably a fun project to cross reference with disclosures since that time
#17286

tears posted:

im reading "black metal: evolution of the cult" by dAyal patterson, its 600 pages about black metal. its really good and im listening to all the albums along with it, i listen to every demo and i listen to every demo hard. making whooshing noises when someone shrieks or even when they fuck up the timing



Do u recommend it

#17287
got around to reading 10 days that shook the world, my copy has a very emphatic introduction that john reed would have become an anti-communist if he didn't die
#17288
ive been reading discipline and punish for the past few days. its alright, i like the part where he described the switch in crime trend from precapitalist, feudal times to a society that experienced the genesis of capitalism. with the installment of a democratic-bourgeois society crime mostly went from singular, violent criminals and scattered bandits to the creation of an entire class, the lumpen, whos survival and parasitic existence is centered around property related crime. I dont remember if he actually cites marx in the 18th brumaire but he depicts the lumpen having the same elements in its ranks as marx did; defected soldiers, mostly people who refused hierarchical structures and so on. but as we know crime statistics are indexed on arrest statistics, not on actual crimes happening, and as the bourgeois class rose in influence police presence increased and an emphasis on property related laws was in vigor (foucault doesnt forget to say this as well) so maybe that change of trend was related to an actual change of paradigm in the legal system. society or the criminal component of said society didnt actually get less violent but police task forces started getting invested more in material related crimes than before whereas in a feudal society they would only bother or invest themselves in violent crimes and not bother with investigating robberies. although again capitalism massified what was in precapitalist times a handful of bandits into a class for which stealing is the class defining component so im prolly wrong.
the 'bodies in space' talk which is the main defining theory of the book, with various institutions getting full geographical control over their facilities to totally atomize people to have full control over them, to prevent reluctance towards discipline and conspiracies, uprisings etc is interesting but not as illuminating as i thought itd be. maybe the book didnt survive time like many other social critiques, although i doubt saying that punishment in a disciplinary institution had the function of normalizing the punished into a generalized, shared state with those sharing his condition was very illuminating even 40 years ago
also the short paragraph about hospitals being disciplinary facilities, with ill people being in a therapeutic institution much like convicts in prison, both the convict and the ill people group being marginalized in regards of norms predating over an entire society reminds me of that pamphlet written by the 'socialist patients collective' about how illness should be used against capitalism and what a capitalist society views as 'good health' is nothing but another norm supposed to fit capitalist regulations. they predate much of foucaults work on biopolitics so i assume he expanded on their ideas by applying them in a much more neutered, academic way
#17289

tears posted:

im reading "black metal: evolution of the cult" by dAyal patterson, its 600 pages about black metal. its really good and im listening to all the albums along with it, i listen to every demo and i listen to every demo hard. making whooshing noises when someone shrieks or even when they fuck up the timing


what's the tone like, i've tended to avoid most books about black metal because they tend to not be written by insiders and go hard on sensationalist stuff about the church burnings and so on. also if you like out of time demos you gotta check out the old polish scene, none of those guys knew what a tempo was and its really cool.

#17290

dimashq posted:

Do u recommend it


lo posted:

what's the tone like, i've tended to avoid most books about black metal because they tend to not be written by insiders and go hard on sensationalist stuff about the church burnings and so on. also if you like out of time demos you gotta check out the old polish scene, none of those guys knew what a tempo was and its really cool.


the tone is good, i chose it because online people said it was the antithesis to lords of chaos. the authour clearly really digs the music, its 50 champters long and its 18 chapters before anyone mentions burning down a church. im only on chapter 20 but the first third is a good run down of "1st wave" and proto-black bands - chapters tend to be about individual bands themselves (though there are some regional scene specific ones, and subgenre specific ones) and talk a lot about the music, along with lots of good interview snippets which really dig into where this cool music come from. did you know that Tom G. Warrior grew up in a house with 90 cats? thats where the hellhammer sound came from, a neglected childhood in a house with 90 cats.

theres really good run downs of early bands, lots of which i have never listened to much at all: venom, mercyful fate, bathory, hellhammer, celtic frost, rotting christ, masters hammer etc a whole chapter on black(ened) thrash - early sodom, kreator, destruction, sarcofago etc

whats really good is that for each band it tends to talk through the early demos, rehearsal releases etc etc so you can see the origin of the sound and just go to youtube and fire them up

the only two places i can see that it falls flat is that it doesnt have a release timeline anywhere that i can see (i have made my own because i am a nerd), and secondly, quite a few of the artists interviewed mention their influences from hardcore punk, stuff like GBH and Discharge, but there's no chapter which digs into more detail

#17291
i guess a chapter on punk would be a bit outside of the book's scope, but there was a lot of cross pollination between punk and early death metal as well, in a way that doesn't really happen now since punk and metal scenes tend to be much more distinct in most places. first wave bm is the coolest and there aren't really any bad bands from then, czech them all out, increase your metal power level!
#17292

lo posted:

i guess a chapter on punk would be a bit outside of the book's scope,


listening to the stuff, there are as many similarities between the early "black metal" stuff and say discharge's hear nothing see nothing say nothing as there is with say mercyful fates melissa, and mercyful fate get a whole chapter - i just think it could do with a further look, especially since many of the people interviewed talk about the sound quite a bit

#17293
i am no black metal expert but i read lords of chaos in my teens and it wasnt particularly good
#17294

tears posted:

lo posted:


i guess a chapter on punk would be a bit outside of the book's scope,


listening to the stuff, there are as many similarities between the early "black metal" stuff and say discharge's hear nothing see nothing say nothing as there is with say mercyful fates melissa, and mercyful fate get a whole chapter - i just think it could do with a further look, especially since many of the people interviewed talk about the sound quite a bit


mercyful fate is more influential in terms of image and ideology(wearing corpse paint, satanism, etc) than in musical terms for most bands, whereas discharge were only musically influential. black metal has always been pretty focused on ideology and image so i don't think that's too surprising.

#17295
anything that isn't about mayhem and burzum sounds like an improvement.
#17296

dimashq posted:

anything that isn't about mayhem and burzum sounds like an improvement.


ive just read the relevant chapters - there are 2 chapters on mayhem, 1 on burzum, along with 3 on the origin of the norwegian scene. then there are separate chapters on darkthrone, thorns, emperor, gehenna, gorgoroth and trelldom

the authour had these long interviews with necrobutcher and manheim, along with Snorre Ruch, and some others which form the backbone of the whole section. its pretty good actually

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#17297
https://www.deseret.com/1998/5/18/19380692/did-syria-pay-ira-millions-after-slaying
#17298
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months

The boys, once aboard, claimed they were students at a boarding school in Nuku‘alofa, the Tongan capital. Sick of school meals, they had decided to take a fishing boat out one day, only to get caught in a storm. Likely story, Peter thought. Using his two-way radio, he called in to Nuku‘alofa. “I’ve got six kids here,” he told the operator. “Stand by,” came the response. Twenty minutes ticked by. (As Peter tells this part of the story, he gets a little misty-eyed.) Finally, a very tearful operator came on the radio, and said: “You found them! These boys have been given up for dead. Funerals have been held. If it’s them, this is a miracle!”


They were finally rescued on Sunday 11 September 1966. The local physician later expressed astonishment at their muscled physiques and Stephen’s perfectly healed leg. But this wasn’t the end of the boys’ little adventure, because, when they arrived back in Nuku‘alofa police boarded Peter’s boat, arrested the boys and threw them in jail. Mr Taniela Uhila, whose sailing boat the boys had “borrowed” 15 months earlier, was still furious, and he’d decided to press charges.


"welcome back to CIVILIZATION, miracle children!" *points at cage*

#17299
that was actually an interesting story tbh.
#17300
can't remember if this was posted here or elsewhere but, Soviets and Ourselves: Two Commonwealths. a liberal British citizen recounts his experience in the USSR in the pre-Cold War times which is a pretty unique perspective. i think it would work well as a primer for those that are hesitant to read anything positive about that scary country in the East.

#17301
started benjamin's arcades project this week... 1500 pages of splendor. read his moscow diaries prior. shaping up to be a summer of benjamin i guess. i am blown away by his capacity to record observation in tandem with rigorous scholarship and solid reference. it is impressive to read someone so evidently serious about their work. reminds me of the fake glen gould quote by bernhard which says, 'the only thing between the piano and myself is myself'. read a letter addressed to him that stated that, 'most writing is one part power, eight parts explanation. your writing is one to one.' which i couldn't agree with more. despite the sometimes antiquated nature of benjamin's writing (and adorno's and horkheimer's in some sense), he is a blast to read because of the 1:1 power:explanation ratio.
#17302
this forum got pinged by the gonzaloites lol
https://struggle-sessions.com/2020/05/11/maoism-v-s-maoist-third-worldism-responding-to-criticism-from-a-reader/

In regards to MIM, Struggle Sessions reject them as Maoists and as internationalists. They are not a movement, they’re a small crew of Harvard kids who distort Marxism with their shameful trafficking of identity politics and petty bourgeois empiricism-posing-as-analysis onto their website. Now their filth is getting onto weird and subcultural forums like Rhizzone with their promotion of Sakai.

#17303

lenochodek posted:

In regards to MIM, Struggle Sessions reject them as Maoists and as internationalists. They are not a movement, they’re a small crew of Harvard kids who distort Marxism with their shameful trafficking of identity politics and petty bourgeois empiricism-posing-as-analysis onto their website. Now their filth is getting onto weird and subcultural forums like Rhizzone with their promotion of Sakai.


instant full house on my maoist blog bingo card

#17304

lenochodek posted:

this forum got pinged by the gonzaloites lol
https://struggle-sessions.com/2020/05/11/maoism-v-s-maoist-third-worldism-responding-to-criticism-from-a-reader/

In regards to MIM, Struggle Sessions reject them as Maoists and as internationalists. They are not a movement, they’re a small crew of Harvard kids who distort Marxism with their shameful trafficking of identity politics and petty bourgeois empiricism-posing-as-analysis onto their website. Now their filth is getting onto weird and subcultural forums like Rhizzone with their promotion of Sakai.


There is much needed analysis around Sakai and his conceptions of “settlerism” and “settler economy” because (Third Worldists) have been pushing his book Settlers through such forums. There is objectively a labor aristocracy, it is described by Engels and Lenin, and cited as the source of opportunism in the working class movement, but it is not the majority of the white working class in the U.S. today as Sakai and (Third Worldists) describe. In regards to the white nation, we have not taken a formal position on this, but one contributor has with “Race, Class and Stratification” through our One Hundred Flowers section. We certainly encourage you to contribute and have your own positions scrutinized, even if incorrect, around these matters.


there's something to the notion that settlerism as sakai describes in his now somewhat dated magnum opus isn't exactly spot-on but i wouldn't diminish it to this extent. it seems like during the last thirty years the ground has shifted and the importance of maintaining a settler garrison has declined or been redefined such that some white workers have lost the preferential status they once could have taken for granted. i'm leaning towards redefinition here, like certain sections of the white working class have been shed and are no longer treated as reliable or sufficiently pure. i dont think this development has been consequential enough to warrant tossing sakai aside but quibblers got to quibble or they die

e: speaking of pinging rhizzone, the Indonesian wikipedia article on Songbun uses Songbullshit as one of the cited references

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#17305

There is objectively a labor aristocracy, it is described by Engels and Lenin, and cited as the source of opportunism in the working class movement, but it is not the majority of the white working class in the U.S. today as Sakai and (Third Worldists) describe.



(citation needed)

by the way it s funny how many leftists shamelessly refer to engels and lenin to argue that labor aristocracy is a phenomenon limited only to a small group of workers in the west, as if the world didnt change one bit when lenin wrote "imperialism the highest stage of capitalism". if engels or lenin had never said anything about the labor aristocracy these people would probably outright deny the existence of the labor aristocracy entirely

#17306

(sound of mic being tapped)(ahem hemkhhrrrrrrrreflhhhgplhegmaaahhhchregkmmmmmmmemmmmgraahkhaww): thank you. re-read settlers.
#17307

There is much needed analysis around Sakai and his conceptions of “settlerism” and “settler economy” because (Third Worldists) have been pushing his book Settlers through (t H E r H i z z o n E).





e: \/ thank vivian for the longpost in the music thread that was banished to endless shrimp \/

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#17308
Holy shit the thermals i forgot all about them.
#17309
those guys should have a site called misreadsettlers.com
#17310
i've not gotten the impression that sakai is as pessimistic about conditions as some of his detractors seem to think. like he doesn't really come across as a guy who's convinced that revolution is impossible in the first world, he still seems to talk to people and do activism and generally try to contribute where he can
#17311
I imagine things in amerikkka may shake out favorably due to the internal colonies growth demographically.
#17312
i don't think one sentence was 100% correct. "The history of white-settlerism and slavery continued to shape US society after the US became an imperialist state, but the white proletariat are not “settlers” today."

there is no 'before' and 'after' the U$ became a settler state, or imperial state (well: there is an after, and our class will bring it about). ever-rising land prices continue to launder surplus to settler descendants, who can cash out & profit from the taken land, for many multiple third-world worker's lifetime earnings. the colony here cuts some workers a deal: occupy the land for 30 years, be a good worker don't get fired too much, and you can turn around and sell your parcel to get half your rent back (the banks get the other half). so the settlement is still an active thing. the naval empire pays dividends ordering trade, and the imperial occupations pay too protecting pipelines and plantation products en route to port. the empire here is 'all of the above'. in the 'after' he's referring to, the form of war developed here was exported to the phillipines, vietnam. the bourgeoisie in the 1930s at the end of the 300-year holocaust war, spoke openly of this, 'end of the frontier', and their solution was to never really end it. the COMMUNIST solution is to end it, and reverse the enclosure's land property relationship. i wish these "communist" blogs would stop being afraid to theorize this (instead of which-and-which thinker from 40 years ago is up or down).
#17313
rEaD wHeN rAcE bUrNs ClAsS: sEtTlErS rEvIsItEd By J sAkAi
#17314

tears posted:

instant full house on my maoist blog bingo card

#17315
Any Settlers style books about France? I imagine Algeria is a pretty rich vein to mine here (so did the French! ). Maybe Dizastar you know something? Who is the J. Sakai of the Hexagone?
#17316

Parenti posted:


Aimé Césaire?

For more contemporary stuff, maybe check out some of the theorists connected to the "indigènes de la république" party such as Saïd Bouamama or Houria Bouteldja.

Very similar defensive reaction to their work from the white French "left" as Settlers got from settler leftists in North America, too.

#17317

Parenti posted:

Any Settlers style books about France? I imagine Algeria is a pretty rich vein to mine here (so did the French! ). Maybe Dizastar you know something? Who is the J. Sakai of the Hexagone?



you should check out les blancs, les juifs et nous (whites, jews and us) by houria bouteldja; its the closest read to settlers i could find imo. although its not mlm in any sense and the theorical foundations are much more related to postmarxism and the academic side of decolonialism. the issue with using that theorical angle is that theres no historical analysis of the buildup of french whiteness being produced, it bases itself on already existing, fixated categories. although her analysis of the jewish algerians who got opressor status handed to them through the Crémieux decree is interesting and on point. if i remember well when she got on some tv show to introduce her book some guy from france insoumise (french dsa) just talked about how his ancestors were serfs during the first colonial escapades in the 16th century which kinda threw her off, also trashed her about 'homoimperialism'. but otherwise shes cool, shes the only person who can get on tv to defend hezbollah, compare hamas and palestinian people to french resistance and so on. the parti des indigènes de la république talk about decolonialism, anti imperialism on their website
she talks about the book in this (first part out of 4)

#17318
lol big surprise melechonites are irredeemable trash
#17319
ah the french


thanks for the recs. if she makes Guénolé mad she sounds cool, that prick wrote that stupid book where he accused Mélenchon of being a stalinist autocrat w/r/t the french dsa. i wish!

#17320
Time 2 learn french