#321

jiroemon1897 posted:

https://i.ur.com/mJc22WX.png



This but unironically


Bablu posted:

if anything a world with amazon rentacops is one where it's way easier to make them look the other way vs actual cops



Ah yes, MORE police corruption and for-profit complicity in crime, what a great solution to the problem of police corruption and for-profit complicity in crime

againstthemoon posted:

whats your proposed solution



To which problem?

#322

cars posted:

I’m the biggest anarcho basher on the forum but if you’re going to parrot cop Nazi shit about Seattle for pseudo-Red cred then imo just log out instead. You’re welcome


#323
like online Bolshevik vs. Kronstadt cosplay, that’s understandable if pathetic given where Communists stand in relation to state power in the U.S.

parroting literal cop-press-release lines about Antifa Blackula violence gangs though, that’s straight up garbage behavior. The bourgeois state is gearing up for a massacre
#324
In the following essay, I will demonstrate step by step how my materially-and-ideologically-supported-by-every-major-corporate-bank-media-conglomerate-establishment-Democrat-and-billion-dollar-capitalist-institution-in-the-Western-Hemisphere movement will overthrow the Capitalist System:
#325
lol hi Superabound
#326

Superabound posted:

In the following essay, I will demonstrate step by step how my materially-and-ideologically-supported-by-every-major-corporate-bank-media-conglomerate-establishment-Democrat-and-billion-dollar-capitalist-institution-in-the-Western-Hemisphere movement will overthrow the Capitalist System:


perhaps you have heard of the very complicated and novel tactic known as 'co-opting'

#327

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Superabound posted:

In the following essay, I will demonstrate step by step how my materially-and-ideologically-supported-by-every-major-corporate-bank-media-conglomerate-establishment-Democrat-and-billion-dollar-capitalist-institution-in-the-Western-Hemisphere movement will overthrow the Capitalist System:

perhaps you have heard of the very complicated and novel tactic known as 'co-opting'



That Face When you can't tell if the Democrat Party co-opted the Radical Communist Revolutionaries' plan to get Joe Biden elected or the Radical Communist Revolutionaries co-opted the Democrat Party's plan to get Joe Biden elected

(i can't post pictures so you'll just have to imagine That Face)

#328
Joe Biden will lead an Autonomous Zone
#329
tfw actually stands for That Feel When. i know your trolls are low effort but come on
#330

Superabound posted:

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Superabound posted:

In the following essay, I will demonstrate step by step how my materially-and-ideologically-supported-by-every-major-corporate-bank-media-conglomerate-establishment-Democrat-and-billion-dollar-capitalist-institution-in-the-Western-Hemisphere movement will overthrow the Capitalist System:

perhaps you have heard of the very complicated and novel tactic known as 'co-opting'

That Face When you can't tell if the Democrat Party co-opted the Radical Communist Revolutionaries' plan to get Joe Biden elected or the Radical Communist Revolutionaries co-opted the Democrat Party's plan to get Joe Biden elected

(i can't post pictures so you'll just have to imagine That Face)



#331
There you go man.
#332
thank you for upholding greaves-kahina-cordeliers thought
#333
if you were trying to do the face one that's mfw, my face when.

this has been a bellingcat explainer funded by the atlantic council
#334

“I visited the 'new' Capitol Hill today in Seattle. Everything you are hearing on the news is lies. Everything the mayor and police chief and the president are telling you or alluding to or warning you about is false.

There are no militants surrounding the area. There is no money being demanded to enter. Business are open and selling to patrons. There is no violence. There is no destruction. Nothing is "under siege". Nothing has been "seized".

The police left the area of their own accord 3 days ago. They conceded. And just like that, peace fell up on the land. Nothing has happened to their building. No one has broken in and destroyed it. There is graffiti on the fencing they installed. It says we have reclaimed our city.

There are people in a square sharing their stories and public speaking. People are sitting down on the ground and quietly listening. In the park nearby, there are new community gardens. Children are planting vegetables and flowers.

There are first aid tents, that are no longer needed, which is good because the police aimed their attack directly at them so many nights. There are free services everywhere. There are people doing yoga, reading, talking, dancing.

There is music in the air. There is food and water all over! For free! Donated by the citizens of Seattle and local restaurants. Caribbean food plates. Snacks. Water. Free. Everywhere. For everyone.

There are no police. There is no violence. It is a glimpse into utopia. It is a glimmer of heaven. For now.

Listening to Jenny Durkan and Carmen Best on the way there, I *should* have been prepared for SUCH a different view based on their lies. It must be utterly miserable to live in their fear, to be compelled to share that fear with other people. To need other people to be scared with you. That's some validation sickness right there.

Listening KOMO news on the way home, and them talking about how their reporter is afraid of the "MOBTOWN" and was going to do his report from a rooftop so he could avoid "MOBTOWN", made me sick inside my heart.

I can't believe our local news is feeding you this garbage. But what can I expect from a news agency that is trying so hard to be relevant, they are still running videos of violence almost 2 weeks old, as their FB banner. I am embarrassed for them.

The mendacious media, and gassy blimp Trump, and anyone else who is trying to instill fear in you over this amazing transformation from the absolutely police-fueled violence a few days ago in the area, is your enemy. People that lie to you do not care about you. They are not well.

The people I was with today, in the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone should be giving CLASSES on basic empathy and compassion for others to every politician, police officer, and person of power alive today and forevermore. The world could be so much better with a little more heart.

So please. Go see for yourself. You will be amazed at the beauty that has emerged from the chaos. You will think twice about swallowing those sound bites that constantly poison the airwaves. They are lying to you. We are peaceful.

To to the media involved: You can help as we ask, support us as needed, or just get out of the way and leave us alone. Stop straight LYING for cred. It makes you ugly, and I can't trust you.

Seattle is beautiful, and we are doing just fine.

This is a photo today of your "Antifa terrorists who have taken over Seattle by force!"



#335
#336
so is China Chaz socialist or not guys
#337
invitation to kick my ass with information to the contrary: in what way is the CHAZ any different from just doing occupy again? the occupy strategy thoroughly refuted itself, it sucks away massive amounts of time and energy into the effort of maintaining a space under siege and leaves nothing left to agitate for any real demands. i'm sure it's all well intentioned and i'd genuinely love to be surprised here but, y'know. fool me once,
#338
seizing the means of consumption
#339
i can easily believe that CHAZ isn't MOBTOWN as seen on the lying fake news but i have much more trouble believing that the free food and water for everyone provided by donations demonstrates a sustainable model of socialism. or earnestly anything other than that people don't necessarily begin killing and burning everything for fun just as soon as the fucking cops aren't around to keep them in line

e: lol
statement from Speaker Sexton:

“I fully support the rights of all Tennesseans to peacefully assemble. However, there is a difference between peaceful assembly, and lawlessness or unlawful camping"


camping on state land other than a designated camp site was made a misdemeanor in order to fuck with occupy, now they are planning to make it a felony

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#340

shriekingviolet posted:

invitation to kick my ass with information to the contrary: in what way is the CHAZ any different from just doing occupy again? the occupy strategy thoroughly refuted itself, it sucks away massive amounts of time and energy into the effort of maintaining a space under siege and leaves nothing left to agitate for any real demands. i'm sure it's all well intentioned and i'd genuinely love to be surprised here but, y'know. fool me once,



one difference is that occupy was declared and then the physical place was changed, and these were won after a weeklong physical war with police where the police's stockpile of chemical weapons was depleted.

#341

cars posted:

I’m the biggest anarcho basher on the forum but if you’re going to parrot cop Nazi shit about Seattle for pseudo-Red cred then imo just log out instead. You’re welcome



Willing to delete my chaz post and donate the upvotes. At the time I could only find anarchist accounts hyping CHAZ online but I wish them all best in turning an American city into Maidan Square

#342
I think the CHAZ is goofy and won't come to anything, but the attacks against it are animated by the most reactionary venom.

Just fascist dreck machismo masquerading as analysis. lol leftists are weak and retarded lol blacks are crazy violent haha dumb commies this is what your PETS are really like dose of reality for you hippie bums.

Won't take part in this state and media backed slander of some earnest people. Joining in reveals a soul so rotted by liberalism and a desperate desire for approval from rancid hobgoblins.
#343
CHAZ is interesting as a real world demonstration of the limits of the domestic power of the empire. What exactly is being permitted here by the state? Under what conditions? Who is permitted to do this? Many interesting observations can be made. Now I think most of us agree it lacks real revolutionary potential in and of itself, but that doesn't mean there's nothing to be learned, because it's not exactly the same as Occupy, despite the obvious similarities.
#344
i think its probably important that its in seattle. somehow i imagine the situation would have played out differently in like, st louis or something
#345
Seattle held a general strike around 100 years ago it; deflated into nothing and the national guard went in and fucked everything up.
#346
I hear a voice that cries out, "papers, please!" And then I deliver. First up is Liberation with a new look and an article on a demonstration in Philly the party took a lot deserved pride in:



Now for the CPUSA paper. This is actually a republished AP article. I question the value in paying for an AP syndication... but I liked the tough headline here:



Following that are two solidarity statements, one from IMCWP and the next from the ICMLPO/CIPOML, a network of various anti-revisionist, Hoxhaist orgs and printed on the website of the American Party of Labor -- also part of NAARPR btw. I think their logo looks like the Cardassians from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (look at the ACAB sign in the pic).




Here's People's Daily. I think this is a lot stronger than a week ago:



I can't read this one, but it's from the weekly edition of the Japanese Communist Party's Shimbun Akahata (Newspaper Red Flag), that incorporated Black Lives Matter into the mix:



Now two excerpts from Utopia, the Chinese left-wing site. The first describes the protests as a progressive, historical link within a developing American proletarian movement. The term "sports" in the translation I think is incorrect and the context is more like "movement," so the sentence would read "the key is not that movements are full of spontaneity, but that movements contain endless power."



Another article talks about Tucker Carlson comparing the statue smashing to the Cultural Revolution. Utopia contrasts what is happening in the U.S., Britain and elsewhere with the Cultural Revolution, but concludes with lol smash that shit. It also has a nice word for (some) progressive intellectuals in the U.S. and takes a stab at those in China who call them baizuo (白左) or "white left," a term associated with the crank reactionary philosopher Liu Zhongjing. That term has spread to fascists in western countries and has similar connotations to "SJW," and I think they picked it up because they can flatter themselves into believing that Chinese people share the same views as them.



Lastly, there's a new Challenge, which is absolutely flipping out right now:

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#347
One of my best friends went to Chaz and it is as described in the nice utopia post.
#348
I hope they have a good time and kick out all the nazis or whatevers going on
#349

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

What exactly is being permitted here by the state?



one thought that comes to mind is that they are being permitted to create a COVID hotspot that is conveniently situated within a particular group of people loosely gathered around a somewhat coherent political idea, knowing full well that 1. people will get sick and die, 2. that some people will leave the camp and return to their communities, thereby punishing a perceived ideological group en masse via large-scale spreading, and 3. that some new people will join the camp, exposing themselves to the illness and (like 1 and 2) either return to their communities and infect their families or die themselves.

#350
#351

toyot posted:

“I visited the 'new' Capitol Hill today in Seattle. Everything you are hearing on the news is lies. Everything the mayor and police chief and the president are telling you or alluding to or warning you about is false.

There are no militants surrounding the area. There is no money being demanded to enter. Business are open and selling to patrons. There is no violence. There is no destruction. Nothing is "under siege". Nothing has been "seized".

The police left the area of their own accord 3 days ago. They conceded. And just like that, peace fell up on the land. Nothing has happened to their building. No one has broken in and destroyed it. There is graffiti on the fencing they installed. It says we have reclaimed our city.

There are people in a square sharing their stories and public speaking. People are sitting down on the ground and quietly listening. In the park nearby, there are new community gardens. Children are planting vegetables and flowers.

There are first aid tents, that are no longer needed, which is good because the police aimed their attack directly at them so many nights. There are free services everywhere. There are people doing yoga, reading, talking, dancing.

There is music in the air. There is food and water all over! For free! Donated by the citizens of Seattle and local restaurants. Caribbean food plates. Snacks. Water. Free. Everywhere. For everyone.

There are no police. There is no violence. It is a glimpse into utopia. It is a glimmer of heaven. For now.

Listening to Jenny Durkan and Carmen Best on the way there, I *should* have been prepared for SUCH a different view based on their lies. It must be utterly miserable to live in their fear, to be compelled to share that fear with other people. To need other people to be scared with you. That's some validation sickness right there.

Listening KOMO news on the way home, and them talking about how their reporter is afraid of the "MOBTOWN" and was going to do his report from a rooftop so he could avoid "MOBTOWN", made me sick inside my heart.

I can't believe our local news is feeding you this garbage. But what can I expect from a news agency that is trying so hard to be relevant, they are still running videos of violence almost 2 weeks old, as their FB banner. I am embarrassed for them.

The mendacious media, and gassy blimp Trump, and anyone else who is trying to instill fear in you over this amazing transformation from the absolutely police-fueled violence a few days ago in the area, is your enemy. People that lie to you do not care about you. They are not well.

The people I was with today, in the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone should be giving CLASSES on basic empathy and compassion for others to every politician, police officer, and person of power alive today and forevermore. The world could be so much better with a little more heart.

So please. Go see for yourself. You will be amazed at the beauty that has emerged from the chaos. You will think twice about swallowing those sound bites that constantly poison the airwaves. They are lying to you. We are peaceful.

To to the media involved: You can help as we ask, support us as needed, or just get out of the way and leave us alone. Stop straight LYING for cred. It makes you ugly, and I can't trust you.

Seattle is beautiful, and we are doing just fine.

This is a photo today of your "Antifa terrorists who have taken over Seattle by force!"



sounds about white

#352

liceo posted:

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

What exactly is being permitted here by the state?

one thought that comes to mind is that they are being permitted to create a COVID hotspot that is conveniently situated within a particular group of people loosely gathered around a somewhat coherent political idea, knowing full well that 1. people will get sick and die, 2. that some people will leave the camp and return to their communities, thereby punishing a perceived ideological group en masse via large-scale spreading, and 3. that some new people will join the camp, exposing themselves to the illness and (like 1 and 2) either return to their communities and infect their families or die themselves.


I'd believe this if there was any prior evidence of an amerikkkan government body showing signs of any sort of forward planning to do with covid

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#353

aerdil posted:

sounds about white


lol

#354
according to chinese studies >99% of covid transmissions occur indoors. tightly packed crowds persisting for hours at a time aren't exactly normal outdoor conditions, but I wouldn't be surprised if the protests don't result in massive infection
#355

overfire posted:

Have we not seen the spontaneous, leaderless thing happen many times within our lifetimes now and become pretty well-versed with the playbook and conclusion? I am a random Brit so I can't go and visit and my opinion really doesn't matter, but this looks like it has 2 weeks tops to me.



with the mass destruction of organized labor over numerous decades and censorship of leftist ideology this is probably going to fizzle out either through occupy 2.0 or just corporate take over. without some real leadership and structure like the BPP there's nothing to build on, just isolated thoughts and slogans. it's depressing to see so many people out in the streets who have anger towards the right injustices but haven't been introduced to the theories, books and organizations that would put it to good use.

#356
the best time to build a mass org is 20 years ago, the second best time is now
#357

aerdil posted:

sounds about white


https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2020/06/12/43897621/meet-the-farmer-behind-chazs-vegetable-gardens

#358

colddays posted:

Isn't this just Occupy 2?


is this not far more rooted in exclusion of police from an area of space though, rather than about how the banks "stole our moneyTM"

#359
I saw two things that made me laugh. The first thing started out ominous. Some right-wing agitators had apparently been chased out of the zone, and some Daily Caller hacks / cops shoved their cameras in the face of a masked JBGC member who was tailing them in his jeep. Then these guys tried to film his plates, but there were no plates, and one blurted out: "This one doesn't have a fuckin' license plate!"

The second thing was the mayor of Seattle touring the zone. Not my place to judge what is happening there but I thought it was funny how she was trying to absorb and redirect the anarchist lingo when a reporter asked her about her impressions. Well, you know, I think Seattle has... always been autonomous... a place for people of different walks of life to come together and aspire to greater things...
#360
the mayor of seattle said "access to opportunity" and frankly, i just think that's funny