#41
lol at the video of the cnn crew being arrested

#42
reporting while black
#43
Let's not arrest the cameraman. He's definitely not filming, also white
#44
The arrest is bullshit btw

#45

aerdil posted:

lol at the video of the cnn crew being arrested


the best part is the announcer sputtering about how they weren't even doing anything wrong while the cameras sideways on the ground

#46
Atlanta mayor yelling at protestors right now like a scolding school teacher. Good luck with that
#47

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Atlanta mayor yelling at protestors right now like a scolding school teacher. Good luck with that



hope she gets a brick to the side of her head

#48
lol at her telling people "just register to vote" in a state with some of the most ridiculously blatant and documented voter suppression in the country. just more posturing to set herself up for political upward mobility—already see outlets gushing over her "dramatic" "emotional" speech. who is even going to hear this message? and who would give a fuck if they did?
#49

Parenti posted:

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Atlanta mayor yelling at protestors right now like a scolding school teacher. Good luck with that

hope she gets a brick to the side of her head


It was a press conference from a safe location. At one point she said that "T.I. and Killer Mike own half the west side" as part of her argument that the property destruction was just hurting "the community", which I thought was an oddly specific reference, until it turned out T.I. and Killer Mike were there and took their own turns at the podium to plead for the preservation of their class interests

#50
the nerve of these people... disgracing the cnn building even though ted turner based cnn in atlanta because he believed in what the city is, smdh
#51

After indicating that she was "behind the line" created by officers, reporter Kaitlin Rust of television station WAVE was hit by a non-lethal offensive weapon by an alleged member of the Louisville Metro Police Department. In the video, the officer can also be seen aiming at the cameraman.

"I've been shot!" Rust screamed after the weapon was fired. She then said it was only a rubber bullet and that she was fine. Rust then corrected herself and said she had been shot with a pepper ball.

The officer then pointed his weapon at the news photographer. "They're aiming at us," Rust said. "They're aiming directly at us."

News anchors in the WAVE studio commenting off-screen said, "They're shooting at our crew," as Louisville Metro Police Department attempted to form a line across a street in the background. Another off-screen voice said, "Do they not know that—obviously, they can see the camera."



copaganda phrasing courtesy of newsweek

#52
BEB

I know those gradient red-and-orange impact font t-shirts when I see em

#53
i saw a point made on twitter how this round of struggle has been so much more confident than the last. i know when we were doing BLM stuff after freddie gray & eric garner, that was my first experience with street control. i think it was for a lot of kids my age... now: of course a thousand of our class can control the streets. in oakland tonight i'm seeing in my feed how OPD were in retreat-mode, then spent the night all holed up in the station, defending that, instead of fighting a losing battle. they must be having a similar-but-opposite realization :)
#54

ilmdge posted:

imagine he loses and all that people remember about him is that he was "socialist" and then the country goes to hell in a handbasket and everyone is like "shit we shouldve elected the socialist." cut to 4 years later as the rhizzone celebrates at the inauguration of president bob avakian


#55
See tweet: what the actual fuck

#56
ahaha the cops name is literally the root of chauvinism
#57
where's :tinfoil: when u need it
#58

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Parenti posted:

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

Atlanta mayor yelling at protestors right now like a scolding school teacher. Good luck with that

hope she gets a brick to the side of her head

It was a press conference from a safe location. At one point she said that "T.I. and Killer Mike own half the west side" as part of her argument that the property destruction was just hurting "the community", which I thought was an oddly specific reference, until it turned out T.I. and Killer Mike were there and took their own turns at the podium to plead for the preservation of their class interests



Reminder that this was her from a couple months ago

#59
I’m going to keep mostly posting stuff or perspectives that aren’t being posted in the alt media, keeping a timeline of all the updates is overwhelming because of the sheer number of different occupations and the number of developments.The energy on the ground is amazing and the next two days are only going to be more intense. One of the main chants is: This is not a riot, this is a revolution.

One interesting difference in strategy between left orgs are the communist parties that try to be more public and those that try to work in the background, I saw that difference play out and wanted to get people’s thoughts. One communist org that always puts their names on signs on protests had anarchist organizers come up to them multiple times upset because 1) they don’t like their politics and 2) they don’t want that org to be able to lay claim to the achievements of the protest. This is contrasted to the approach where people tend to utilize mass orgs as the primary way their interface with the public, identify the most advanced, and bring them into the fold. The very open strategy has worked well in a few areas where this org has been able to build coalitions, and I think this also gets to the analysis of whether the correct approach is a party vs a pre-party formation.

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#60
The ATL protest news is focusing on the CNN stuff but the cool part is that when the mayor was like “please don’t destroy your own community” the protestors were like “ok” and fuckin stormed Buckhead (one of the most affluent parts of Atlanta)
#61
I've been thinking about this passage from The Red Earth, it's a memoir from a Vietnamese communist organizer who was on a rubber plantation. To set the stage, for months the Communist party has been working to organize the plantation. Out of 5000 workers, they only have a couple dozen cadre across the 9 different camps of the plantation, but plenty of others in their mass organizations. On the plantation, these are sports, religious, and artist groups because that's all that was allowed. They had just launched a general strike, the security forces on the plantation were disarmed, and the workers were in control. They know the military is coming to the plantation, and there is a two-line struggle on what to do:

The meeting was very tense and continued throughout the night and into the morning. There were two lines put forward, diametrically opposed to each other.

One was to fight back if the enemy brought troops to terrorize us. We would fell trees to block all the road leading into the plantation. Red Guards with their captured guns would be stationed at the most critical points. The rest would be assigned to patrol duty, to guard the food stores, and to guard the generator and the water plant. This line corresponded to the psychological inclination of the majority of the workers at the time. That very night, after they returned from watching the cheo performance (musical theater - pogfan), the workers divided up on their own intiative to prepare weapons. Some gathered up sacks of kitchen ashes to fling in the faces of the soldiers, others refitted their hatchet heads more firmly in place. The Red Guards members taught each other to fire the guns, because the fact was that the majority of them knew nothing about how to shoot. They thought very simply and very heroically: "What difference does it make if we live or die! If they come tomorrow, we will fight. If we fight, we will fight to the end." We could well be proud of that aggressive spirit.

The second line was advanced by a minority that included me. I said, "The party has not yet directed us to seize power. If we seize power, we must do it at the same time throughout the whole country. That way enemy units will not be able to rescure each other. If Phy-rieng rises up now, all by itself, the enemy will bring in troops to terrorize and repress us. We must change the direction of our struggle to avoid defeat."



The result was that when the colonial military came, they said that they were just on a general strike because the contract was broken by the plantation owners, and they lined up all the guns at the plantation director's villa. They ended up winning most of their demands, but the leadership was slowly captured and arrested over the next months and sent to prison, where they learned to be better organizers and the rest is history.

It's really interesting to see this similar two-line struggle play out, but without the dem cent structure it leads to different people and ideologies taking different approaches in their own time/space in line with the St Paul Principles. It allows for a large coalition of different groups to participate despite different class and ideological foundations, but the big challenge will be coordinating on a national scale.

#62


lot of stuff happening locally, it may cut into my posting time and get me fired so apologies in advance for my reduced output
#63
best of wishes to everyone
#64
Any good sources to bookmark or follow? Some stuff I was following got banned
#65

dimashq posted:

Any good sources to bookmark or follow? Some stuff I was following got banned



PMed

#66
stumbled across this video reposted elsewhere without credit, but i knew the voice sounded familiar. then i found the source

#67
#68
Already seeing the outside agitator discourse spreading like a weed, with the added twist that liberals are blaming the riots on right-wing infiltrators. It would be very "2020" if liberals supported the suppression of a black liberation movement in the name of combating white supremacy
#69

filler posted:

the added twist that liberals are blaming the riots on right-wing infiltrators.


i mean, a significant part of this is extremely true

filler posted:

It would be very "2020" if liberals supported the suppression of a black liberation movement in the name of combating white supremacy


but I agree with you that this is the inevitable way it's gonna play out

#70

Any good sources to bookmark or follow? Some stuff I was following got banned



i would also like these sources please

#71

shriekingviolet posted:

filler posted:


the added twist that liberals are blaming the riots on right-wing infiltrators.


i mean, a significant part of this is extremely true



filler posted:


It would be very "2020" if liberals supported the suppression of a black liberation movement in the name of combating white supremacy


but I agree with you that this is the inevitable way it's gonna play out





a "significant part" is not "extremely true." there are a few cases of people trying to subvert and take advantage. the idea that it is ubiquitous is propaganda to defang popular anger and divide protesters against one another. literally textbook propaganda violet.



#72
#73

Parenti posted:

shriekingviolet posted:


filler posted:


the added twist that liberals are blaming the riots on right-wing infiltrators.


i mean, a significant part of this is extremely true



filler posted:


It would be very "2020" if liberals supported the suppression of a black liberation movement in the name of combating white supremacy


but I agree with you that this is the inevitable way it's gonna play out







a "significant part" is not "extremely true." there are a few cases of people trying to subvert and take advantage. the idea that it is ubiquitous is propaganda to defang popular anger and divide protesters against one another. literally textbook propaganda violet.




ok more specifically what I mean is that there are plainclothes fascists using these events as an excuse for violence, and there are cops performing destructive actions in a coordinated effort to discredit the movement and fabricate excuses for arrests. while those facts will be twisted and abused, it's still important to assert the truth of what's going on in order to fight confusion of the above events with the righteous actions of the USA's oppressed people taking action to defend themselves. because the propagandistic element here is not in the acknowledging or disavowing of violence, but in the deliberate conflation of very different political actors with very different purposes. I think we're on the same page here?

#74
e: moved to pdf forum
#75

shriekingviolet posted:

Parenti posted:


shriekingviolet posted:


filler posted:


the added twist that liberals are blaming the riots on right-wing infiltrators.


i mean, a significant part of this is extremely true



filler posted:


It would be very "2020" if liberals supported the suppression of a black liberation movement in the name of combating white supremacy


but I agree with you that this is the inevitable way it's gonna play out







a "significant part" is not "extremely true." there are a few cases of people trying to subvert and take advantage. the idea that it is ubiquitous is propaganda to defang popular anger and divide protesters against one another. literally textbook propaganda violet.






ok more specifically what I mean is that there are plainclothes fascists using these events as an excuse for violence, and there are cops performing destructive actions in a coordinated effort to discredit the movement and fabricate excuses for arrests. while those facts will be twisted and abused, it's still important to assert the truth of what's going on in order to fight confusion of the above events with the righteous actions of the USA's oppressed people taking action to defend themselves. because the propagandistic element here is not in the acknowledging or disavowing of violence, but in the deliberate conflation of very different political actors with very different purposes. I think we're on the same page here?





It's an argument that's been mobilized by liberals desperate to save face from having the protests they endorsed a few days prior grow more and more militant, the flip-side of the right-wing "white out-of-town anarchists (Soros antifa commandos???)" argument, and serving basically the same purpose.

#76
speaking of outside actors and provocateurs

#77
since shit is getting real everywhere in there, please anyone pm me if i can do anything to help you or an organization. this place may run on bubble gum and string and trash but i can do proper shit as well
#78

drwhat posted:

since shit is getting real everywhere in there, please anyone pm me if i can do anything to help you or an organization. this place may run on bubble gum and string and trash but i can do proper shit as well



i will need you to feed my cats in the event i am shot by troops

#79
please do not delegate this task i have researched thoroughly and you are the most qualified
#80
Anyone see that maga boomer with the bow get steamrolled?