#1041

lenochodek posted:

i wonder if marcie smith parenti is related to the more famous parenti, tHE rHizzonE poster named "Parenti"


#1042

shriekingviolet posted:

shriekingviolet posted:

not because they're conspiring to make you reenact the last act of Akira.

if anyone gets word once this is available though, hit me up, exploding into an impossible mass of chaotic flesh is in my top 5 ways to go



it's available now

#1043
Does Cuba have vaccine passports? Vaccine passports are obviously wrong and evil. For international travel they're basically a way to close all borders to Africans, Asians, and Latin Americans because the vaccines they have access to don't fulfill the passport requirements.
#1044
ironically, international travel is what started this whole mess
#1045
i heard cuba welcomes visitors and will provide a shot for you upon arrival if you don't have one yet
#1046

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

neckwattle posted:


If your definition of the police state is so narrow it absolves the medical-pharmaceutical apparatus of any possible suspicion


if we want to treat this as a purely philosophical question (which again, we shouldn't, because science exists), let's break it down, shall we?

1. pharmaceutical companies are untrustworthy
2. pharmaceutical companies make covid vaccines
3. covid vaccines are untrustworthy

now i don't have a phd in logic but this doesn't add up for me. maybe we're missing some steps? we could do a pros and cons list perhaps. has anyone crunched the numbers on how much money pfizer stands to make if the vaccine turns everyone into lizards vs how much they make if the vaccine works as advertised?









science doesn't exist outside of the medical-pharmaceutical apparatus, pardon teh french structuralism

#1047
Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Simple steps for coexisting with the coronavirus


new thread title
#1048
https://gowans.blog/2021/08/26/as-an-anti-pandemic-tool-vaccines-have-turned-out-to-be-more-mirage-than-oasis/
#1049
the vaccination-only strategy gowans is calling out sort of mirrors the use of antibiotics in factory farming: a proven, useful technology that's being poorly utilized in an attempt to dump some dirt on top of a serious public health issue and hope it doesn't dig back to the surface before all the profits are counted

in this case, though, they'll actually talk to the livestock a little. "here's your damn bon-bon; now get back to work, meat"
#1050

pogfan1996 posted:

https://gowans.blog/2021/08/26/as-an-anti-pandemic-tool-vaccines-have-turned-out-to-be-more-mirage-than-oasis/


this jibes with what every medical professional i've spoken with has been saying the entire time, the epidemiologists warned over and over what will continue to happen without comprehensive measures on all fronts

#1051
state government prohibits school districts from offering online education -> spike in child covid cases -> some school districts require kids wear masks -> governor issues executive order to prohibit school districts from requiring students wear masks -> top the charts for per capita new infections, 1/3 of new cases are children -> numerous school districts fully closing bc too many teachers out sick to hold classes -> parents whine about lost educational opportunities & learning setbacks due to schools being closed

#1052
Fuck school I learned more skipping class than i ever did in school.
#1053
i certainly learned more about rolling blunts by skipping class
#1054
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/09/18-vaccine-experts-including-top-fda-scientists-publish-review-in-the-lancet-saying-current-evidence-doesnt-support-need-for-covid-19-vaccine-boosters-for-the-fully-vaccinated.html
#1055

NEW – Israeli Ministry of Health (right) recorded saying to the Minister of Interior (left) “there is no medical or epidemiological justification for the Covid passport, it is only intended to pressure the unvaccinated to vaccinate”


#1056
i dunno if it's a quirk of the translation or what, but wouldn't pressuring the unvaccinated to vaccinate count as an "epidemiological justification"?

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#1057
1 in 500 amerikkkans has now died of the rona












great job!
#1058
a year from now most of the posts in this thread are going to be profoundly embarrassing
#1059

kinch posted:

a year from now most of the posts in this thread are going to be profoundly embarrassing


why wait?

#1060
*will have been profoundly embarrassing
#1061
in the interim they could range from profoundly embarrassing to fairly fucking prescient, but they probably won't
#1062
i'm often profoundly embarrassed by things i've written even when they do hold up; it's just the name of the game, i think

#1063
you will all pay dearly for provoking me into posting with caremad sincerity
#1064
the best reassurance i have of being a decent person is the embarrassment i feel at posting anything anywhere
#1065

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

the best reassurance i have of being a decent person is the embarrassment i feel at posting anything anywhere


this just proves that you're (still) a person (for now)

#1066
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#1067
i will give two shits about yr argument when you have given me an up to date report on what the rona, and all its variants, does to the human body
#1068
Anti-vaccination propaganda is objectively anti-socialist.
#1069
notice that toyot still can't answer why or how the vaccine is more dangerous than the deadly virus
#1070

toyot posted:

basically



toyot posted:

my best guess



toyot posted:

i'm assuming



terminal kkkracker engineer brain

#1071
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#1072
a vaccine jabbed my bottom now my bottom big
#1073

toyot posted:

their clinical mRNA was around 80% intact, commercial 50%. that means their trial did not reflect what we received in the vials for most of this year.


that's not what the article says, as far as i can tell.

According to one of the leaked emails dated 25 November, positive news had come from an undisclosed source in the US: “The latest lots indicate that % intact RNA are back at around 70-75%, which leaves us cautiously optimistic that additional data could address the issue,” the email said.


you can reasonably say there's cause for concern that consistency was not achieved for some time after that but it's pure speculation without data.

furthermore, the article is clear that this issue would only impact efficacy, not safety.

#1074
i got a too small dose of a bad vax that didn't work 100% and all that happened was that i got covid like i would have anyway
#1075
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#1076
they don't confirm anything beyond "there were some issues identified in the early stages of commercial production that impacted efficacy".

maybe the problem isn't that vaccines are imperfect, but that they're being treated as a magic bullet by governments desperate to reanimate their economies at any cost. i think your vitriol is misdirected and confirmation bias isn't doing you any favours.

the fact is, as i said long ago in this thread, there is PLENTY of evidence that the vaccines are safe and effective, and that makes them the best (and only) tool people have to protect themselves and their communities from this plague that the capitalists would be happy to see kill most of us.
#1077
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#1078
don't be like that. if you genuinely believe the evidence is in your favour, just explain it to me. i'm listening.
#1079

cars posted:

Anti-vaccination propaganda is objectively anti-socialist.



this sentiment needs to be put to rest. nobody is talking about being anti-vaccination nor encouraging people to not take a vaccine. people are talking about the specifics of the production/use of the mRNA vaccine which is rather important and worthwhile than anti-socialist or propaganda.

this is what i brought up weeks ago with the pandemic in general (before the vaccines came up): it is imperative that people who consider themselves materialists and communists to critique every facet of imperialist society and this currently and unfortunately includes the general public health response. maybe that critique will turn out in favor of the response and maybe it won't, but reasoning (critically and robustly) through these issues is the only way to develop a good perspective on the situation.

part of what i think is objectively socialist is breaking down the function of imperialist society with material information and establishing a sound conclusion instead of waiting around to see what happens and then reacting to it after the fact. that's all that people should be doing and doing so with regard to the pandemic is not what you say it is.

#1080

liceo posted:

part of what i think is objectively socialist is breaking down the function of imperialist society with material information and establishing a sound conclusion instead of waiting around to see what happens and then reacting to it after the fact. that's all that people should be doing


okay, but that's not really what toyot has been doing - not yet, anyway. i hope they take my invitation to continue the above conversation in such a way, but so far what they've offered is attempts to make evidence fit their preferred conclusion, and i don't think it's terribly unfair to characterise that as propaganda.

in any case, what definitely IS socialist is having a robust discussion about contentious issues like this, and holding each other to whatever standard the issue warrants - in the case of vaccination, a matter of life and death, surely a high standard is fair.