i wonder if marcie smith parenti is related to the more famous parenti, tHE rHizzonE poster named "Parenti"
If your definition of the police state is so narrow it absolves the medical-pharmaceutical apparatus of any possible suspicion
if we want to treat this as a purely philosophical question (which again, we shouldn't, because science exists), let's break it down, shall we?
1. pharmaceutical companies are untrustworthy
2. pharmaceutical companies make covid vaccines
3. covid vaccines are untrustworthy
now i don't have a phd in logic but this doesn't add up for me. maybe we're missing some steps? we could do a pros and cons list perhaps. has anyone crunched the numbers on how much money pfizer stands to make if the vaccine turns everyone into lizards vs how much they make if the vaccine works as advertised?
science doesn't exist outside of the medical-pharmaceutical apparatus, pardon teh french structuralism
new thread title
in this case, though, they'll actually talk to the livestock a little. "here's your damn bon-bon; now get back to work, meat"
this jibes with what every medical professional i've spoken with has been saying the entire time, the epidemiologists warned over and over what will continue to happen without comprehensive measures on all fronts
NEW – Israeli Ministry of Health (right) recorded saying to the Minister of Interior (left) “there is no medical or epidemiological justification for the Covid passport, it is only intended to pressure the unvaccinated to vaccinate”
ועכשיו הוידאו הלא יאמן כי זה בדיוק הפוך ממה שאמר שר הבריאות לבגצ:— Eldad Yaniv 🇮🇱 אלדד יניב (@EldadYaniv) September 12, 2021
שר הבריאות ניצן הורביץ מסביר לשרה איילת שקד שבחלק מהמקומות התן הירוק לא נחוץ והוא רק כדי ללחוץ על ישראלים להתחסן.
וזה בדיוק הפוך ממה שאמר שר הבריאות לבגצ ״שהתו הירוק הוא נטו שיקולי בריאות״.
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a year from now most of the posts in this thread are going to be profoundly embarrassing
the best reassurance i have of being a decent person is the embarrassment i feel at posting anything anywhere
this just proves that you're (still) a person (for now)
their clinical mRNA was around 80% intact, commercial 50%. that means their trial did not reflect what we received in the vials for most of this year.
that's not what the article says, as far as i can tell.
According to one of the leaked emails dated 25 November, positive news had come from an undisclosed source in the US: “The latest lots indicate that % intact RNA are back at around 70-75%, which leaves us cautiously optimistic that additional data could address the issue,” the email said.
you can reasonably say there's cause for concern that consistency was not achieved for some time after that but it's pure speculation without data.
furthermore, the article is clear that this issue would only impact efficacy, not safety.
maybe the problem isn't that vaccines are imperfect, but that they're being treated as a magic bullet by governments desperate to reanimate their economies at any cost. i think your vitriol is misdirected and confirmation bias isn't doing you any favours.
the fact is, as i said long ago in this thread, there is PLENTY of evidence that the vaccines are safe and effective, and that makes them the best (and only) tool people have to protect themselves and their communities from this plague that the capitalists would be happy to see kill most of us.
Anti-vaccination propaganda is objectively anti-socialist.
this sentiment needs to be put to rest. nobody is talking about being anti-vaccination nor encouraging people to not take a vaccine. people are talking about the specifics of the production/use of the mRNA vaccine which is rather important and worthwhile than anti-socialist or propaganda.
this is what i brought up weeks ago with the pandemic in general (before the vaccines came up): it is imperative that people who consider themselves materialists and communists to critique every facet of imperialist society and this currently and unfortunately includes the general public health response. maybe that critique will turn out in favor of the response and maybe it won't, but reasoning (critically and robustly) through these issues is the only way to develop a good perspective on the situation.
part of what i think is objectively socialist is breaking down the function of imperialist society with material information and establishing a sound conclusion instead of waiting around to see what happens and then reacting to it after the fact. that's all that people should be doing and doing so with regard to the pandemic is not what you say it is.
part of what i think is objectively socialist is breaking down the function of imperialist society with material information and establishing a sound conclusion instead of waiting around to see what happens and then reacting to it after the fact. that's all that people should be doing
okay, but that's not really what toyot has been doing - not yet, anyway. i hope they take my invitation to continue the above conversation in such a way, but so far what they've offered is attempts to make evidence fit their preferred conclusion, and i don't think it's terribly unfair to characterise that as propaganda.
in any case, what definitely IS socialist is having a robust discussion about contentious issues like this, and holding each other to whatever standard the issue warrants - in the case of vaccination, a matter of life and death, surely a high standard is fair.