i don't particularly care what you think of me but i do care that you've been implicitly throwing these insults at pretty much anyone who disagrees with you. which in this case is largely new posters who have been discussing things in completely good faith. like take a step back and see that most people are objecting to the way that you're conducting yourself in these discussions. Caesura rocks and i love our noobs, i will defend them to the death
that is all.
toyotathon posted:do you want to keep talking about this, or do you wanna just call it.
Not really. I hate discussions about discussions with all my heart and i thought i could engage in them to vanquish them once and for all but this was hopelessly naive. Alas,
toyotathon posted:do you want to keep talking about this, or do you wanna just call it.
tears posted:lol, i thought i was the crazy one here
can i join witch crew please.
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the soviet union also suffered from accusations of russian chauvinism, which they attempted to correct with promoting different ethnic groups and their languages, although this did suffer from starts and stops as different outside conditions imposed themselves.
one of the great strengths of communism over most other political currents is the internationalism and anti-racism, and the soviet union was instrumental in fighting imperialism through its educating poor people with its universities of the poor toilers of the east, and many of those students ended up going back to their countries and promoting anti-imperialism.
this is a tremendously beneficial method, and it has obvious propaganda use as well, especially compared to the school of the americas.
as well, i think it's important to point out, though i'm sure all know, that its not like the american spy community is not beyond promoting radical islamist groups as a way to destabilise socialist countries and there may be something to china's concerns about this minority on its borders. if you believe that this reaction is heavy-handed, then what are the appropriate methods that they should take to protect themselves from this threat? it's not like the western intelligence apparatus is beyond weaponising civil rights, in fact it has been one of the major ways to attack states attempting the road to communism.
its obvious that this attack is so successful because leftists correctly believe they should be better about these kind of things. so the question becomes, what are the appropriate way to respond to these attacks? it's facile to compare them to how the west responds to terrorist attacks (invading unrelated countries, killing thousands, travel bans) but what is the correct way to defend yourselves?
lastly i should point out though this forum is quite small, it seems likely that our effect is somewhat outsized, since plenty of people may read without registering, and good arguments here can be weaponised and used on other, more popular mediums. to this effect, carrying on grudges against other posters that are esoteric in their beginnings serve no purpose and prevent new posters from feeling like they will be accepted if they post. if you have a genuine complaint about another posters politics, post a clearly labeled denunciation thread and express your feelings, so that they can be debated or defended, and a forum consensus reached. thus we can run out posters whose political beliefs are poison to our community, as well as correcting potentially good posters who have some troublesome beliefs absorbed through being raised in a world where bourgeois thinking is dominant.
blinkandwheeze posted:toyotathon i think you should think about taking a break from posting right now because you seem angry to the point of genuinely concerning hysteria.
i actually agree with the majority of what's been posted in this thread (even where apparently contradictory) in different qualified ways, but i don't think "u mad?" has ever done something positive for a discussion
Constantignoble posted:i actually agree with the majority of what's been posted in this thread (even where apparently contradictory) in different qualified ways, but i don't think "u mad?" has ever done something positive for a discussion
i would be more inclined to agree if there werent a history of multiple posters having psychotic breaks on this forum. if someone wants to cash in their rhizzone arguing cred post rev, even as a joke about having done "important work" of denouncing a nobody for no benefit, i think thats a sign that they've lost an important level of perspective about posting here and should take some time to reconsider their priorities.
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Constantignoble posted:i actually agree with the majority of what's been posted in this thread (even where apparently contradictory) in different qualified ways, but i don't think "u mad?" has ever done something positive for a discussion
fwiw that wasn't really an attempt at snark altho i probably could have worded it a lot better. i am genuinely disconcerted about being attacked as a reactionary pro-imperialist trot slime white settlerist landowner male chauvinist out of the blue. not that i particularly care about tone and civil rhetoric on irrelevant internet arguments but these attacks seem really deeply motivated and personal in this case which i don't really know how to react to. particularly when most of these insults are also being extended to more posters than just me, on both sides of this discussion.
toyotathon posted:if you are deliberately not getting jokes in order to concern-troll over someone's health, maybe reconsider your own.
it's one thing to get into the ideological weeds arguing with blink, but this is just lashing out at someone in response to a personal attack they didn't actually make. i like you and i am not taking sides when i say take a step back and breathe before you continue posting.
i don't actually think we have significantly different politics on this or any other issue and you're just reading things as a brutal political struggle, when nothing about these discussion warrants it and everyone else has just been approaching things in good faith as posting pals.
rolaids posted:been away from the ole rhizzone for a while now, time to mosey on back and see how things are going....
China is socialist but it is moving further away from the promise of Mao and the Revolution. I don't think this is controversial, or at least it shouldn't be.
What I think is a useful line of enquiry is looking into the development (or degeneration) of a nationalities policy in the People's Republic. How did we get to where we are? Why is the Chinese Communist Party making the choices it is now?
Parenti posted:What I think is a useful line of enquiry is looking into the development (or degeneration) of a nationalities policy in the People's Republic. How did we get to where we are?
Very carefully.
Parenti posted:Why is the Chinese Communist Party making the choices it is now?
Because you touch yourself at night