toyotathon posted:

toyotathon posted:

cars posted:

Tetris, by The Soviet Union.


shriekingviolet posted:

cars is doing his best to return us to the pristine state of primordial nothingness. almost there!!

Got in just in time for the Big Crunch

Instead of locking the thread he just decided to shut the site down for a week. Good move on his part imo
Double post so I'm just going to say this: socialism is the context in which the problems of class society can be solved, not the solution of those problems. I think that, despite the criticisms and problems I have with the CCP, it would be fair given what I just said to call China socialist.

There. Now Xi has my approval...communism can now flourish across the "Middle Kingdom," as China was once known.

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filler posted:

I might have broken this thing wide open

guys i think that image is edited

Zoe posted:

you don't really have to ask if chinese socialism has worked for them, but if you do their response will be a resounding "yes." which, ok, maybe that's the success of a cynical campaign to maintain the allegiance of the peasant base which won the revolution. but if you're viewing things that way you're no better than the china-watcher types who claim the government is minimizing unemployment for the sake of "social stability" rather than keeping people employed. sometimes things are as simple as they seem.

This touches on the classic propagandizing we saw with the Soviets, Parenti has a really good paragraph on it from Blackshirts & Reds.

"During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum."

I met Michael Parenti recently and didn't even ask him what he thought about China...what the fuck.

Ooo how’d that go

dimashq posted:

Ooo how’d that go

So what is tHE rHizzonE's opinion about the Houston Rockets and Blizzard affairs because it seems like a bunch of bourgeois nonsense to me. I dunno a whole bunch though. But the line I'm hearing is people needing to stand up to the CPC and support the Hong Konger protests because U.S. corporations are too eager to kowtow to China. But what if the NBA wants to tone down its statements to China? Narcissistic political leaders are making that impossible, exposing free speech in America as nothing but a sham.
The gamers are rising up again
American gamers are being bullied to be politically correct by political and opinion elites. This is what happens when gaming enters a political minefield. The more the U.S. forces Blizzard to be politically correct, the narrower Blizzard's path will be, because Chinese gamers and the public do not mind gaming decoupling and will not buy U.S. political correctness.
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Weibo users had the right idea, anytime someone Chinese gets interviewed in the cracker media they should vocally announce their approval of the 9/11 attacks
babyhuey come back
I mentioned babyhuey because I went back and read some of their posts ITT and finally read that Samuel T. King article about the trade war -- it's not about Hong Kong but I think I've found a way to relate the HK protests to Brexit and other forms of "right-wing populism" arising from a contradiction within the imperial center. I am a little slow on the uptake but I had a gut feeling this was the case, and I think it's clicking together in my head, with these eruptions taking the form of a contradiction between the goose and the golden eggs: or the (objective) forces of production (the goose) now being seen by dominant social formations in imperial society as contradicting their own repressive, exploitative needs -- their superstructural prizes of dominance (the golden eggs).

In the HK case, the dominance arising from the super-exploitation of the mainland Chinese working classes and migrant workers, created by HK's role as a spigot for international capital flows during a period of China's export-led development, allowing the formation within Hong Kong of a labor aristocratic identity with good jobs and higher wages. The fact that this economic model is going away and the goose is laying fewer golden eggs, however, is what's creating the befuddling situation of select political institutions and these historically dominant elements electing to threaten their own productive base.

trakfactri posted:

So this "right-wing populism" is really a compulsive freakout attempt to lock everything down "before it's too late." In other words, there's a goose and the golden eggs are the rents paid out to the yokels maintaining their dominant, superstructural position in the imperial core, but the goose is laying fewer golden eggs these days so the urge is to strangle the goose to death and ration what's left of the eggs. The goose is the base (also imperialism).

But there's nowhere to go. Brexit threatens to unravel the United Kingdom as a political entity, sparking a campaign of reactionary violence toward social groups that provoke these dominant groups' resentment (migrants), renewing hostilities in Northern Ireland and reinvigorating a secessionist movement in Scotland. The Hong Kong protesters for their part are making impossible demands, which if they could hope to achieve, would result -- in dialectical fashion -- in the People's Liberation Army rolling in the tanks, putting a decisive end to the subject, which may be a bonus depending on your perspective in a similar manner to the implosion of the United Kingdom being a net bonus for anti-imperialist forces everywhere.

There is no political crisis for capitalism at the moment, however, which means the usual Trotskyist dunderheads hoping to turn the Hong Kong labor aristocracy toward the Chinese working classes will result in an epic failure, per usual. The one thing that I haven't figured out -- if I've got a nugget of an argument here -- is why the liberal press, public opinion and now the Ted Cruz / Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez team-up duo in the U.S. have all swung so heavily in favor of the Hong Kong protests while it was divided over Brexit.


trakfactri posted:

The one thing that I haven't figured out -- if I've got a nugget of an argument here -- is why the liberal press, public opinion and now the Ted Cruz / Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez team-up duo in the U.S. have all swung so heavily in favor of the Hong Kong protests while it was divided over Brexit.

Isn't it just because some of the US liberal camp benefit from the EU through their business and social dealings in the UK, but none of them win with China? Or at least, they wouldn't benefit enough from supporting Chinese integration of Hong Kong to go against the state orthodoxy of "China bad".
Although, aren't the NBA and Blizzard in the middle of some kind of scandal because they're looking out for their Chinese market share?

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There's also the very simple fact that Brexit entails problems that will have consequences for white people, and thus white people actually think about the consequences, while Hong Kong can safely (in the mind of the western bourgeoisie) operate in the sphere of pure liberal idealism divorced from any sort of material reality because they don't have any prompting to think about how the consequences might affect them. A withered spectre moans Orientalism as the curtain tears and falls off its railing, smothering the players.
I just read Minqi Li's The Rise of China and the Demise of the Capitalist World Economy. I wouldn't recommend reading the whole thing since it's a collection of papers and has some problems (the whole rate of profit determined by wages vs. aggregate demand thesis) but his explanation of China's rise in relation to the already existing semi-periphery is correct and explains pretty well how the rise of China threatens both the imperialist core social democratic pact and the pact with the semi-peripheral nations for upward mobility in the world system. It's not a big leap to connect these two structural roles to a common political response.
Yeah that looked interesting. Saw it pop up on a reading list.

Also, while I'm here, S. T. King's thesis on Lenin's theory of imperialism today: http://vuir.vu.edu.au/37770/1/KING%2C%20Samuel%20-%20thesis_nosignature.pdf
Damn, wish I was that popular.

China please censor the large boat.
Some capitalist fuckery. You might be familiar with the one on the left and the one in the center. Take a look at the slimy one on the right. He made a lot of money in 2008 betting against mortgages / on families being destroyed by the financial crisis. He's the one I'm interested in. For one, he had a multi-year short bet on the yuan falling 30 percent but cashed out in April 2019. He had shorted even more in November 2018 while preaching doom for the Chinese economy in all the business papers, but then the yuan rose. I don't really understand currency markets but it sounds to me like he lost his ass on the bet (and his clients' asses) and said:

He also seemed to have exited at the wrong time -- China did devalue the yuan later in the year. In the meantime, all of these crooks have been pumping the Hong Kong protests and Bass now seems to be betting against the Hong Kong dollar, which is pegged to the U.S. dollar, hoping that the peg will break. That will push up interest rates and crash the inflated Hong Kong property market, allowing these guys to take their winnings and buy up property while it's cheap. If you saw the bill the U.S. Senate passed the other day, the so-called "Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act," Congress will annually "assess" Hong Kong's government according to the U.S.'s definition of "human rights," clearing the way to revoke Hong Kong's "most favored nation" trade status if the U.S. so deems it. This will force a decoupling of the HKD from the USD as Hong Kong banks won't be able to bring in dollars and the local economy collapses. Of course, the U.S. might not actually do that and just make a show every year like during the Clinton years. But what the hell do the Hong Banks do in that situation if the peg does break? I'd think Beijing would have even more leverage.

Anyways, I was reading up on Bass because he's also now hyping up the notion that China has WMDs... that only target whites!!!!! It's a WHITEY BOMB.

china developing bioweapons that only target white people is supposed to be bad?!

trakfactri posted:

miss that guy who would constantly whine about rule of law. wish he was here so I could razz him about this

the teens are at it again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50559656

Obama-era State department officer runs the org calling for a boycott of the China olympics. His illustrious résumé includes assisting the US invasions of Syria and Iraq.

i am trapped in a christmas card factory, send help!
hahahahhaha it's a christmas miracle, i haven't heard anything that stupid in a very long time

Petrol posted:

hahahahhaha it's a christmas miracle, i haven't heard anything that stupid in a very long time

tesco says

A Tesco spokeswoman in Britain told PA the company was “shocked” and had shut down operations at the facility.

“We would never allow prison labour in our supply chain,” she said.

Please Mr Johnson I am Flambertia Flees-abode-samkriss, I am but an aged 6 little girl, and
hey kid, fuck you

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love, krampushead

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Just tell the kid there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, so all her other products are made by slaves why worry about a the remarkably adult writing skills of a six year old illiterate factory slave.
i think using statements by little kids to advance foreign policy agendas is very "wack" and bad. like even photos of dead kids can be suspect, which sucks to have to say after the White Helmets faked up all that stuff, but the thing where you interview kids that young to inject pathos into your position comes across to me as sociopath behavior.
when i was ab. 10 years old they made me read the diary of some girl from sarajevo.
which reminds me, i recently read parenti's "to kill a nation" and in a way what happened in yugoslavia was like a blueprint of later similar interventions, like syria's - including manufactured chemical incidents, mysterious concentration camps/mass graves that turn out to be unfindable, bombing civilian targets and infrastructure systematically under false grounds, funding and training the pro free market "democratic opposition", misrepresenting serb victims as the victims of serb aggression (in some cases), inverting cause and effect and using the consequences of bombing as a justification for the bombing, weaponized personal testimonials, including child testimonials,...
Gulf War 1 as well with the made-up baby incubator story. If I recall reading about it, the Kuwaiti ambassador's teenage daughter was coached and then smuggled before Congress as an eyewitness to these "Iraqi atrocities." It wasn't until a few years after the war that people connected the dots. Not like it mattered at that point.

The most convincing explanation I've read for the cause of the war was U.S. imperial policy of mutual destabilization going haywire. The idea was that Iraq and Iran fighting each other was good for the U.S., and once that war exhausted itself, the U.S. "tilted" toward Iraq and "signaled" through Ambassador April Glaspie that the border affair with Kuwait was none of Washington's concern. It's interesting to read what she told Saddam: "I clearly understand your message. We studied history at school. They taught us to say freedom or death. I think you know well that we as a people have our experience with the colonialists."

This signed off on an Iraqi move on the Kuwaiti border, but Saddam went for the whole lost province, as he (and most Iraqis) saw Kuwait. The Bush administration, full up with officers from Henry Kissinger, Associates (Scowcroft, Eagleburger) who were used to playing the tilt-and-signal game, wouldn't dare be humiliated like that and see their own strategy fail themselves, hence the extreme violence inflicted on Iraq. "How dare you take us at our word!"