2018: down to the fandoms
cars posted:dawkins is still the easiest though.
how is anyone gonna know its him. theres 50 million ppl who talk like that, unfortunately
swampman posted:form an illegal underground wrestling circuit that demonstrates the science of Marxism-Leninism with ultraviolent panto
Danger Hoxha smashes a fluorescent light tube over the head of The Revisionist as a crowd of 20 rhizzoners don't cheer or clap but just nod in agreement
@ barbarosa hhis work has been engaged with to a degree far beyond what it deserves and beyond what any competent physician would deem medically safe
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Parenti posted:http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19/jordan-peterson-and-fascist-mysticism/
The author is correct in their general thesis but fails to recognize or address the necessary relation between this phenomenon and the institutions and ideology of the western establishment. Somehow this is the worst they have to say about Solzhenitsyn, a genuinely genocidal fascist, whereas with Jung they're ruthless
Solzhenitsyn, Peterson’s revered mentor, was a zealous Russian expansionist, who denounced Ukraine’s independence and hailed Vladimir Putin as the right man to lead Russia’s overdue regeneration.
Aspie_Muslim_Economist_ posted:I think my fav thing about Peterson is his belief that his interactions with men are informed by the implicit threat he'll fight them if they insult him--as if, as a middle-aged professor, male students are even subconsciously afraid that if they're rude to him he'll lunge over his desk at them, get knocked the fuck out in the ensuing brawl, and lose his job-for-life, all to avenge his precious honor.
Barbarossa posted:Every leftist take on him that I have read has either been "he is dumb and wrong, trust me on this" or "he is dumb and evil, trust me on this." It's like there is a rule that you must not ever engage with his work and just throw poop at it like a spider monkey that is feeling threatened.
how do you post this after a half dozen pages of peterson being thoroughly debunked n destroyed?
misanthropic_rage posted:Barbarossa posted:Every leftist take on him that I have read has either been "he is dumb and wrong, trust me on this" or "he is dumb and evil, trust me on this." It's like there is a rule that you must not ever engage with his work and just throw poop at it like a spider monkey that is feeling threatened.
how do you post this after a half dozen pages of peterson being thoroughly debunked n destroyed?
I think a bunch of German Generals have signed up for this website, I haven't seen so many down votes for Barbarossa since 1941
marimite posted:I think there are some cases where leftists (at least so-called) let things that Peterson says slide. Like I was listening to a zero books podcast (I know...) thing about Peterson, and they open with saying everything open anti-semite Solzhenitsyn said is true but what about violence in liberal revolutions??? Made me so mad.
the way to address so-called leftists is not to call them that
vykromond posted:i thought the mishra piece was kind of weak tea but joke's on me as it was the one to send jordan peterson into a furious tizzy on twitter in which he threatened to slap (himself?) happily, so shows what i know about literary criticism criticism
that meltdown is extremely funny because not only does he make the obligatory 'threat' of violence but his entire objection is premised on a deliberate and tortured misreading of a line about how he is 'romancing the noble savage' to complain of racism. for a galaxy brain genius he sure seems enamoured of the generic playbook of the cornered fascist - 'No u!'
rolaids posted:Honestly I think Peterson deserves discussing
I think the most telling thing about this thread is that it hasn't even settled the question of whether its topic matters enough for it to exist. there's nothing that differentiates the guy from any other liberal fabulist with fash leanings except flash-in-the-pan notoriety that has little to do with anything he's achieved
Petrol posted:This thread is the most momentous and intellectually stimulating thing jorden petermen will ever be responsible for
e: i was drinking when i posted this but i stand by it
Rhoon project: establish this thread as a key citation on Jort Peterson's wiki page
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that is exactly what I wanted and (poorly) posted for. Also,
swampman posted:Barbarossa posted:
It reminds me of a post I made here years ago about how Communists should embrace popular mediums of entertainment like Professional Wrestling and make Communism relevant and relatable to average people through that medium, getting laughed at for pushing such a stupid idea, and then watching America elect a President that was in the WWE Hall of Fame. Like do you people ever actually engage with the people that you claim to represent because LOL man, I bet that tpaine and MAYBE goatstein are the only people on this forum that could pull off a respectable stone cold stunner, much less a tombstone piledriver or power bomb.
I wasnt on board with this until I realized that you're just saying that everyone here needs to stop wasting time and form an illegal underground wrestling circuit that demonstrates the science of Marxism-Leninism with ultraviolent panto
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It would be the greatest show on Earth and there is a 1% chance that robert rodriguez would fund it.
Petrol posted:vykromond posted:i thought the mishra piece was kind of weak tea but joke's on me as it was the one to send jordan peterson into a furious tizzy on twitter in which he threatened to slap (himself?) happily, so shows what i know about literary criticism criticism
that meltdown is extremely funny because not only does he make the obligatory 'threat' of violence but his entire objection is premised on a deliberate and tortured misreading of a line about how he is 'romancing the noble savage' to complain of racism. for a galaxy brain genius he sure seems enamoured of the generic playbook of the cornered fascist - 'No u!'
the backstory there is interesting
Joseph made clear that, as thanks for what Peterson did for his family, he was blanketed and given a name—Alestalagie (“great seeker”). These are common ceremonies among the West Coast First Nations. Among my people, the Stó:lō, blanketing is done at the end of festivals and ceremonies to honoured guests. It doesn’t make them part of a family or part of the nation, but is a big step up from simply saying “thank you.” Giving somebody a name is even more significant...
It is surprising that these ties haven’t been investigated in print before, because the type of honour given to Peterson is profound. Since the interview, Joseph has asked me to remove mention of what Peterson did for the family—a request that I have to respect. I can say that it is what in other cultures you would call a mitzvah—one significant enough for the Joseph family to honour the man he now calls his brother.
https://thewalrus.ca/the-story-behind-jordan-petersons-indigenous-identity/
so, contrary to what I would have guessed, it isn't bullshit; it seems he was given a deep and significant honor for doing something important and good.
and then he used it to gussy up his bio and bookjackets and win arguments on twitter
i watched a couple of his very old pre-fame lectures when he was just some goofy torontonian telling people about children's stories and difficult family situations and they're really pretty good, and he was a pleasant, skilled, positive lecturer. he looked completely different. i wonder what happened. (from what he's said, it sounds like he got super depressed and then his daughter suggested a semi-starvation diet to him and one thing led to another and here we are, now he's off telling south africans on the radio that it's awful, just awful, horrible, that white slavers are being dispossessed of their land.)
drwhat posted:it does frustrate me a bit that, like mugabe glasses said, and i trust her opinion on this despite only knowing her from the internet, he does genuinely have a few useful things to say on the topic of psychology in a very limited box of expertise. but everything outside that box is such radioactive garbage that the whole thing is contaminated.
i watched a couple of his very old pre-fame lectures when he was just some goofy torontonian telling people about children's stories and difficult family situations and they're really pretty good, and he was a pleasant, skilled, positive lecturer. he looked completely different. i wonder what happened. (from what he's said, it sounds like he got super depressed and then his daughter suggested a semi-starvation diet to him and one thing led to another and here we are, now he's off telling south africans on the radio that it's awful, just awful, horrible, that white slavers are being dispossessed of their land.)
don't forget the influence of continually researching and tailoring himself to what his audience wants to see and hear
Been reading that Jordan Peterson book, and to give you a taste of his prose style, he refers to Homer Simpson as "the infamous father of the Simpson clan".
— Sandra Newman (@sannewman) April 18, 2018
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