#2481
#2482
lmao

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/12/syria-conflict-why-does-idlib-matter-and-what-could-happen

External powers trying to carve out influence in northern Syria are Russia and Iran, to whom Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president, owes his successes so far, and Turkey, in whom rebel groups continue to pin their hopes. There is also what remains of a fractured anti-Assad opposition, jihadist groups and a regime desperate to claim it has won the war.

#2483
duplicate
#2484
In a year when Assad has reclaimed all of Syrian territory, the Guardian releases Politzer prize winning article:"The Syrian regime is claiming it won the war, here's why it hasn't"
#2485
israeli bullshit bombing runs got a russian jet shot down

turkey/russia cut a deal in idlib to get rid of heavy weapons and move out the "jihadists" but other "rebels" are allowed to stay, and SAA wont attack the city? seems kind of like nonsense
#2486
I met a socialist IRL who is totally into Abdullah Öcalan, quota-based confederation, the YPG, etc, and it was like gazing into a dark mirror that made me as annoyingly sincere as possible.
#2487
Israel is long overdue, for something,
#2488
Is it joining a confederated syrian state with proportional representation?
#2489
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45554188

turkey seem to be worming their way into a bigger strategic role by the day. do we reckon this idlib thing will happen at all now, or have the turks bought their jihadist clients time to melt away?
#2490
so because israel used a russian jet as a shield and got 15 guys killed, russia is giving syria better antiaircraft tech. shit they hadnt given them so far specifically because they were trying to play nice with israel.

Russian Defense Ministry: S-300 will enable the closure of Syrian airspace in the face of Israeli attacks

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The third measure announced by the Russian defense ministry is a blanket of electronic countermeasures over Syrian coastline, which would “suppress satellite navigation, onboard radar systems and communications of warplanes attacking targets on Syrian territory

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“One thing needs to be clear: If someone shoots at our planes, we will destroy them. It doesn’t matter if it’s an S-300 or an S-700,” Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman.



russia complains that israel is ungrateful for all russians been doing for them so far

Sharply criticizing Israel's conduct in the incident, Konashenkov said that Israel's military leadership "either has no appreciation for the level of relations with Russia, or has no control over individual commands or commanding officers who understood that their actions would lead to tragedy."

Russia also contradicted Israel's claims that the plane was downed while Israeli jets had returned to Israeli territory. "The Israeli jets saw the Russian Ilyushin Il-20 and used it as a shield against the anti-aircraft missiles, while they carried on maneuvering in the region," the Defense Ministry said.

Russia sent as many as 310 notifications to the Israeli military since the countries reached a cooperation agreement, Konashenkov said, while Israel only notified Russia 25 times. Konashenkov noted the discrepancy despite Israel carrying out more than 200 strikes in Syria in the past year and a half. "This is an extremely ungrateful response to all that has been done by the Russian Federation for Israel and the Israeli people recently," Konashenkov said.

Konashenkov also lauded Russia's efforts to secure the withdrawal of Iran-backed forces from the Golan Heights near the Israeli border, saying that a total of 1,050 personnel, 24 MLRSs and tactical missiles, as well as 145 pieces of other munitions and military equipment" were moved more than 140 km to the east of Syria. Konashenkov added that this was done at Israel's request.

Konashenkov noted that Russia is working to preserve Jewish sites and graves in the Syrian city of Aleppo, adding that Russian soldiers' are aiding in a special search operation for the remains of Israeli servicemen missing in action following prior conflicts.

He said Russian forces came under fire from ISIS militants while searching in coordinates provided by Israel. He noted that one Russian officer was wounded but the operation continued.


will be interesting to see if this ends israels direct military meddling

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#2491

ilmdge posted:

will be interesting to see if this ends israels direct military meddling





#2492

ghostpinballer posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45554188turkey seem to be worming their way into a bigger strategic role by the day. do we reckon this idlib thing will happen at all now, or have the turks bought their jihadist clients time to melt away?



turkey actually took a huge burden on itself and i m not sure why exactly. they are now shouldering the task of getting rid of the terrorists and i dont know what they will get in return. it cant be just an issue of the possible refugees fleeing the idlib operation, i guess they will either try to take over the land but even that doesnt seem very plausible because their commitment specifically says that the syrian state institutions will return to idlib. so they must have gotten some other concession from russia or syria or whatever. one of such possible concessions, in my (very stupid) opinion might be construction tenders about the reconstruction of syria, as construction is our "locomotive" sector at the moment and had been so for the last ten years and it started to run into huge problems. i heard from someone that one of the largest construction companies in the country which is also in cahoots with erdoğan started to build a cement factory very close to the syrian border and told me that he was expecting some shit to happen in syria. after a short while the "olive branch" operation began, so, yeah.

so because israel used a russian jet as fuel and got 15 guys killed, russia is giving syria better antiaircraft tech. shit they hadnt given them so far specifically because they were trying to play nice with israel.



a theory i have heard about the whole drama is that french frigates were also involved in the strike (this was mentioned in russia's initial claims) and russia was upset more that there is an organized attack coming from western countries instead of some solely israeli shit, which might explain the dramatic change in policy. like the official statements coming from the ministry of defense and foreign affairs and shit were quite aggressive and some of them blamed "the west" and not just israel. the attack came right after the deal struck between turkey and russia, which means that this is more than just a simple operation against the hezbollah/iran logistics stuff.

#2493
Maybe the plan is to bring them in and somewhat regularize them against Kurds in eastern Turkey. Could just a bluff too tbh
#2494

JohnBeige posted:

Maybe the plan is to bring them in and somewhat regularize them against Kurds in eastern Turkey. Could just a bluff too tbh



yeah i think that some agreement about the future removal of ypg might be more plausible

#2495
great video courtesy of max blumenthal's mob. well-produced, succinct teardown of pro-"rebel" propaganda churned out over the past few years, focusing on that hbo/netflix documentary and hitting all the major points including bana and the white helmets. nothing new to anyone here but well made and might come in handy for sharing. WARNING: includes uncensored execution footage

#2496

Petrol posted:

great video courtesy of max blumenthal's mob. well-produced, succinct teardown of pro-"rebel" propaganda churned out over the past few years, focusing on that hbo/netflix documentary and hitting all the major points including bana and the white helmets. nothing new to anyone here but well made and might come in handy for sharing. WARNING: includes uncensored execution footage




holy shit, thanks for this - can confirm that this is well worth a watch, i hadn't seen it before. a very thorough compendium of the most damning shit about western anti-Syria propaganda and regime changery

"do you like the food in istanbul? -save the.... children of... syria- no, the food. do you like the food here?"

was also completely unaware that Cher had made a "bomb syria" charity hit (with a whopping 20,000 youtube views lol). grim

#2497

Ufuk_Surekli posted:

was also completely unaware that Cher had made a "bomb syria" charity hit (with a whopping 20,000 youtube views lol). grim



I feel like there’s a distracting side-story waiting in the wings here about gratuitous “overspending” on propaganda pushing the destruction of Syria. Half the shit they’re putting out and promoting doesn’t seem to be for anyone.

#2498
very disappointed in cher right now.
#2499

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

very disappointed in cher right now.


#2500
the comment section of cher's music video had a treat in store:

#2501
how you about you cher ("share") the truth about syria, cher?
#2502
do you believe in bomb after bomb
#2503

she'd know
#2504
#2505
----CHER DO NOT READ THIS----








Svetlana..hello
#2506
thinking about the yemen anti-colonial struggle, and how at a military level their tactics own
#2507
i love hearing about that kind of stuff. you have any good reading material?
#2508
just watch them on utube
#2509

JohnBeige posted:

Maybe the plan is to bring them in and somewhat regularize them against Kurds in eastern Turkey. Could just a bluff too tbh



they're gonna get the more pan-turanist types to colonise turkish kurdistan, mark my words

#2510
i dont think that we have ever indulged in settlement policies in the southeast where we made turks settle there. instead we had "negative" settlement policies in the 90s where the army burned shitloads of villages and forced the kurdish villagers into cities, mostly istanbul, and turned them into cheap labor. i have a feeling that this contributed to the petty-bougiefication of turkish people built on this cheap labor but not sure about how significant it was. i have never run into a material investigation about shit between turks and kurds like the sort of shit zak cope or sakai would write
#2511

sovnarkoman posted:

i have never run into a material investigation about shit between turks and kurds like the sort of shit zak cope or sakai would write


I presume at least something amongst the PKK's repertoire would have some meaningful analysis of the effects of that policy.
I google searched some alphabet spaghetti on "turk kurd policy" and a fair few possibly decent academic texts were recommended, though many seem bourgeois or a bit too po-mo.


Also, I was wondering if anyone had any recommendation for articles on funding mechanisms for Syrian conflict agents (especially Syrian militias, Iraqi PMUs, not so much the oppo$ition).
It seems like where the state ends/fails, private business primarily and community organs to a lesser extent start to shell out on cash, and in the former's case I'm inferring broader supply chain intimacy.
In the case of private businessmen funding, I hear talk of it being largely a sort of prestige game. I'd like to know more about all aspects of this.

#2512

sovnarkoman posted:

i dont think that we have ever indulged in settlement policies in the southeast where we made turks settle there. instead we had "negative" settlement policies in the 90s where the army burned shitloads of villages



I think what makes turkoman/turkic central asian jihadist resettlement in the region a reasonable possibility is the fact that there's a host of these jihadists ostensibly under the eye of the Turkish state, and preventing fundamentalists from returning to the Caspian sea region is a big part of Russia's motivation to deal more fruitfully with Turkey.
A vast swathe of such people - loyal, militant - would be very useful as an asset to sic on neighbours or internal opponents, not unlike the way the four states with majority Kurdish populations have used various Kurdish entities as proxies against each other.

#2513

damoj posted:

sovnarkoman posted:

i have never run into a material investigation about shit between turks and kurds like the sort of shit zak cope or sakai would write

I presume at least something amongst the PKK's repertoire would have some meaningful analysis of the effects of that policy.



pkk s intellectual output has been dominated by öcalan and he took a completely different direction towards pomo-lite trash, like the capitalist system is suffocating our once multicultural tribal life which was one with nature or whatever bullshit he comes up with to pander to bookchin loving idiots in the west

damoj posted:

sovnarkoman posted:

i dont think that we have ever indulged in settlement policies in the southeast where we made turks settle there. instead we had "negative" settlement policies in the 90s where the army burned shitloads of villages

I think what makes turkoman/turkic central asian jihadist resettlement in the region a reasonable possibility is the fact that there's a host of these jihadists ostensibly under the eye of the Turkish state, and preventing fundamentalists from returning to the Caspian sea region is a big part of Russia's motivation to deal more fruitfully with Turkey.
A vast swathe of such people - loyal, militant - would be very useful as an asset to sic on neighbours or internal opponents, not unlike the way the four states with majority Kurdish populations have used various Kurdish entities as proxies against each other.



in syrian kurdistan (actually the zone where the kurds are the majority is immensely small so not sure if such a name is apt or not, unlike turkish kurdistan), what you said is possible as both the region and the kurdish population there is much much smaller. in turkish kurdistan the kurdish population is so big that it would be impossible to achieve anything via settlement policies aside from creating some enclaves here and there

#2514
thanks for the clarification. at any rate i do wonder what's going to happen to the literal thousands of imported jihadists, i find it hard to believe assad will tolerate them in an idlib enclave
#2515
Turks are saying Khashoggi's dead, some people who I know were friends of his believe it as well. Saudi doesn't usually do this sort of thing.
#2516
al jazeera is saying the same thing, while saudis are blaming turks, gonna be a ride to watch this drama between saudis vs qataris and turks
#2517
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-10-09/jamal-khashoggi-disappearance-tests-saudi-arabia-reforms

Business and trade don’t thrive in a climate of fear.



lol

#2518
https://blackagendareport.com/syria-and-s-300s-re-centering-people-global-struggles-power

ajamu baraka with some good stuff

Syria has been a difficult object lesson for the left that has had a devastating consequence for the people of that embattled nation. Hundreds of thousands have died, and millions have been displaced primarily because left and progressive forces lacked the organizational, but more importantly, the ideological, political, and moral clarity to mount an opposition to the machinations of their national bourgeoisie in Europe and the U.S. The very idea that the bourgeois leadership of their respective states might have some benevolent justifications for military intervention in Syria revealed a dangerous nationalist sentimentality that is driving the left version of white supremacist national chauvinism.

Before the dramatic rightist turn of the left in the U.S. and Europe over the last two decades, the left –- at least much of the Marxist-Leninist left –- opposed Western imperialist intervention out of a theoretical and principled commitment to the national-colonial question in the global South. As citizens in “oppressor nations,” opposing their own bourgeoisie’s interventions into oppressed nations was seen as a responsibility for the left and indeed was a measurement of what was actually an authentic left position.

That stance has virtually disappeared.

The first response by the Western left to plans or actual interventions by their nation’s ruling class is a strange conversation regarding rather or not the intervention is justified or not based on the nature of the government being toppled by the intervention.

For those of us who are members of oppressed peoples and nations, it is quite obvious that without independent organizations and global solidarity structures buttressed by the few progressive states that exist on the planet, we cannot depend on any bourgeois state to really care about our humanity or on the radical or left forces in Northern nations to put a brake on repression and intervention against non-Europe states and peoples.

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#2520
the assad curse is the best meme of the 2010s