#2401

Ufuk_Surekli posted:

also RE: idlib, i'm not sure if anyone else has seen these rumours or has any more recent info, but hopefully this dream team might still come together for it:

https://www.memri.org/reports/chinese-ambassador-syria-we-are-willing-participate-some-way-battle-idlib-alongside-assad

As the Syrian regime army prepares to launch a campaign for the recapture of Idlib in northern Syria, the Chinese Ambassador to Damascus, Qi Qianjin, told the pro-regime daily Al-Watan on August 1, 2018 that the Chinese military would be willing to participate "in some way" in the campaign in Idlib or in other parts of the country. The ambassador expressed his support for what he called Syria's war against the terrorists, and noted that there is cooperation between the Syrian and Chinese armies. The report also quoted the Chinese military attaché in Syria as saying that the Chinese military wishes to enhance its relations with the Syrian military, and as expressing regret that Chinese Uyghurs are taking part in the fighting against the Assad regime.



only yesterday (25/08/18) Xinhua dropped this, which, although it doesn't explicitly mention the possible deployment of PLA forces, seems to indicate that the CPC's position currently remains basically compatible with the rHizzonE General Line on syria:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-08/26/c_137418931.htm

At the time, the Syrian government charged that the Western powers are supporting the terrorist groups in Syria, vehemently denying claims of chemical weapons use in the battles with the rebels.

The government countlessly said that all the chemical arsenal of Syria was handed over the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which later said that the Syrian government has made its chemical weapon production facilities inoperable.

But the Western powers continued to accuse Damascus of using toxic gas in the battles with the rebels.

Now the same scenario is being repeated in terms of the Western threats to launch attacks on Syria over the same allegations.

Analysts believe that the statement of the three Western powers aim to encourage the rebels with such reasons to strike the Syrian army as its emerging victories after more than seven years of war in the country.



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more excited for this than when the rock and stone cold teamed up tbqfh

#2402
lmao

International Assadists References Directory
#2403
not in it, voted 1
#2404
i applaud the effort they put into trying to make a list of reliable sources but i think it could have been more carefully vetted
#2405
miss you xipe
#2406

Guyovich posted:

lmao

International Assadists References Directory



there's a real unintentional revelation of the post-truth epistemology of the "compassionate imperialist" mindset in the opening paragraphs here -

the purpose of the list is

to show people who genuinely don’t know what is true and who to trust about Syria why the people on this list should not be trusted as sources



but the minimal criterion of inclusion is just

public figures who have expressed support



with the only possible implication that it is a priori impossible to simultaneously oppose the NATO war effort and know truth/attract trust. its fucking stupid totalitarian logic and the author should be stripped of his masters degree

#2407
lmfao the list include Diane Abbott, MP as an "Assadist" for complaining that the British executive ordered airstrikes unilaterally without consulting parliament first



nevermind opposition to the actual airstrikes themselves - simply having a problem with the way they're arbitrarily dictated without even bothering to run it by the legislature first makes you an Assadist.

ATTN: i'm afraid it's not good enough to just support the forever-war any more. don't get us wrong, we're very glad that you do. it's just that we also need you to get 100% on board with us doing it outside the normal democratic channels as well now. you chlorine-chugging Assadist
#2408

you chlorine-chugging Assadist

#2409
what is "Assadism", what are its key tenets? well, opposition to indiscriminate military violence by Britain is a tell-tale sign. if you find yourself saying things like "stop the killing", "bring our boys home" or "make love not war" then you are probably an Assadist. Assadists are big on peace - often they insist on things like a democratic vote before aerial bombardment of foreign countries can commence, which tends to slow things down and get in the way rather! some extreme Assadists may even continue to oppose overseas conquest once it's been ratified in the old-fashioned way. but regardless, you've got to admire the dogged commitment of the Assadists, even though we know that their demands, like "peaceable dialogue as a first resort", "no extralegal discretionary bombing powers for the British executive", etc., are just utopian fantasies. who can forget the iconic mahatma gandhi, whose Assadist tactics famously embarrassed the British empire in india? or the "conscientious Assadists" who foolishly refused to fight at the Somme and Verdun in WWI? Assadism may be a quaint and outdated view, but even though we disagree with it we must admit that Assadism - with its battlecry of "stop the war!" - was an intriguing part of the history of our great nation

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#2410

Ufuk_Surekli posted:

what is "Assadism", what are it's key tenets?



i've put this question to people in arguments before, with the rhetorical aim of introducing them to the new vocabulary word "baathism" (and from there, further context veering off from state dept monster-of-the-week talking points)

but this article is like, somewhere, in response to that very question, a monkey's paw has curled up one of its fingers

#2411
the key tenet of assadism, as aptly put by dr bashar al assad himself, is this: "political power grows from the barrel bomb"
#2412
they put owen jones on the list, which with all due respect to owen jones, is like putting a knitted scarf from your mum on a list of dangerous weapons alongside kalashnikovs
#2413

toyotathon posted:

miss you xipe



what happened to this user? their posts were what brought me to the rhizzone, i learned so much from them about this conflict. hope they're okay.

#2414
we'll get an answer for what is assadism before we get one for what is trotskyism.
#2415

Guyovich posted:

what is trotskyism.


#2416


i once saw a mate’s divorced dad lose a poker game and demand a share of the winnings anyway. he was so drunk he subsequently pissed himself and fell into some cat litter. that was still more dignified than how the yank is conducting himself in defeat here, tbh.


#2417
lmao stand by for our extremely sophisticated negotiating position: "give us your shit please"
#2418
amerikkka, the oil-addicted bum of the earth, panhandling its way around the middle east and north africa looking for its next fix
#2419

Guyovich posted:

lmao

International Assadists References Directory


so this extremely smart EvoBio student took that down "because it was too long" and not because he was getting repeatedly owned in the comments by actual journalists pointing out basic factual errors and telling him he is full of shit.

and he has replaced it with this classic change in tactics: when people don't buy your lazy smear listicle of journalists and intellectuals, it's time to spam pictures of dead children https://medium.com/@kesterratcliff/reference-list-in-response-to-anti-war-memes-about-syria-circulating-april-2018-b177142a20c

#2420

Ufuk_Surekli posted:

lmao stand by for our extremely sophisticated negotiating position: "give us your shit please"



haha the US wants a participation trophy

#2421
first cnn article about the conflict i've ever read. it didn't disappoint. it's a pentagon memo with a few journalistic tweaks for kayfabe authenticity. towards the end the US outright says that even if the militants use chemical weapons, they'll hold the government responsible and bomb accordingly. unreal scenes.

#2422
will the Syrian government be using leftover WMDs from the batch that those NATO airstrikes in April destroyed in their totally successful real-WMD-destroying airstrike mission? or are these going to be new ones? i hope the next round of NATO airstrikes also successfully destroys all the WMDs like the last one did

#2423

US intelligence and military targeting experts have drawn up a preliminary list of Syrian chemical weapons facilities



how can this be true? if the US intelligence agencies know in advance of the existence and location of illegal chemical weapons facilities in Syria, how could they justify not reporting these to the OPCW? either the US knows of the existence and location of chemical weapons facilities, and is stating its intention to break international law by concealing this information unless/until a chemical weapon attack takes place, or the sites aren't real

#2424
"This is the updated propaganda position we expect everyone to fall in behind once we start bombing, please provide constructive feedback before we move ahead with our very good war plans"
#2425
i also love how this "we think the Syrian government might be ready to use chemical weapons now" announcement comes literally two days after US diplomats were laughed out of Damascus for demanding free oil from the Syrian government. like couldn't they even wait a week
#2426
"drawing up a list of targets" = furious doodles of missiles hitting stick figures on the humiliating empty-handed flight back to Washington
#2427
shut up and play the hits

#2428
https://sputniknews.com/amp/middleeast/201809021067678803-syria-chemical-weapons-uk/

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said that British special services assisted terrorists of the Nusra Front group by smuggling canisters containing chemical weapons to several areas of Idlib — currently under control of the so-called White Helmet volunteer organization.

Speaking in a Saturday interview, Muallem claimed that the terrorists' plan was to use the canisters to stage a gas attack on civilians concurrent with an attack on Idlib and blame the Syrian government for the atrocity.

#2429

Guyovich posted:

shut up and play the hits



the number of Syrian kindergarten graduates who are not only literate in their native Arabic but have also achieved a working proficiency in European languages is astounding. truly the Assad administration deserves acclaim for successfully implementing what appears to be the most advanced preschool syllabus on the planet

#2430

Ufuk_Surekli posted:

Guyovich posted:

shut up and play the hits

the number of Syrian kindergarten graduates who are not only literate in their native Arabic but have also achieved a working proficiency in European languages is astounding. truly the Assad administration deserves acclaim for successfully implementing what appears to be the most advanced preschool syllabus on the planet



Children are naturals at language acquisition, to be fair.

#2431
only one area for improvement: i'd recommend some slight modifications to the kindergarten shortcourse in international relations, so fewer bloodthirsty toddlers end up using their impressive language skills to call in british airstrikes, which is becoming a real problem and disrupting the learning of others. this concludes my ofsted inspection of idlib's early-years education system
#2432
hello my name is Bana Koresh, 6 years old from city of Waco 😊 Bill Clinton Regime stop killing kids and leave us alone!! International community please bomb DC and send money and weapons to Mount Carmel Compound (humanitarian base) 😄💖
#2433
Syrian President Hafez al-Assad tonight cautioned American dictator William Clinton not to proceed with his upcoming brutal military offensive against opposition-held Waco, urging the regime to instead de-escalate the conflict by ceding permanent control of the region to the moderate rebel government. Syrian intelligence analysts have stressed that they are particularly worried that Clinton loyalist forces may use a big fire against the opposition, if the rebels are able to slow the regime's military advance into their territory at Waco, the last major stronghold of the rebel government in the American revolution against Clinton.

"We've drawn up a provisional list of targets", explained the Syrian defence minister, "airstrikes against these targets would degrade the American regime's fire-setting capabilities. These large white buildings in the American capitol, for example, are probably used to store logs which could theoretically be used to prepare a big fire, of the type we expect Clinton forces to use against the moderate rebels. in the event that the opposition government stronghold catches fire during the regime invasion of Waco, which we strongly suspect it will, then the Syrian air force will be left with no choice but to destroy these buildings and others like them"

"all eyes on the actions of dictator Clinton in #Waco tonight", said the Syrian ambassador to the UN, "#NoBigFire"


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#2434
#2435
i mean it really defies belief that theyre doing this exact same dance again

-dont you dare do it, dont you dare root out al qaeda
-it'd be a shame if any chemical weapons went off and we had to bomb you
-we've identified one hundred chemical weapons plants already, whoops my finger almost slipped and hit the button haha.. anyway..
#2436
In line with what has been mentioned upthread, and ofc this is by no means an original point, but can you imagine how the US government would respond if 10000 Al Qaeda fighters took over some town in Arizona. They'd laugh the UN mediators out of the room. They wouldn't entertain dialogue and negotiated settlements for a nanosecond. They'd incinerate every man, woman and child in a 500 mile radius.
#2437

ghostpinballer posted:

In line with what has been mentioned upthread, and ofc this is by no means an original point, but can you imagine how the US government would respond if 10000 Al Qaeda fighters took over some town in Arizona. They'd laugh the UN mediators out of the room. They wouldn't entertain dialogue and negotiated settlements for a nanosecond. They'd incinerate every man, woman and child in a 500 mile radius.



idk, they haven't burned down Fort Huachuca yet and that's like 18,000 right there

#2438

cars posted:

ghostpinballer posted:

In line with what has been mentioned upthread, and ofc this is by no means an original point, but can you imagine how the US government would respond if 10000 Al Qaeda fighters took over some town in Arizona. They'd laugh the UN mediators out of the room. They wouldn't entertain dialogue and negotiated settlements for a nanosecond. They'd incinerate every man, woman and child in a 500 mile radius.

idk, they haven't burned down Fort Huachuca yet and that's like 18,000 right there


sierra vista is weird. in general the southwest used to have a pretty frequent flow of goods and labor over but after clinton's border push and san diego's 'turn the lights' on campaign you got all these rootless midwesterners coming in and starting local minutemen chapters. im curious where these people went (as in which groups do they claim allegiance to) as the right evolved over the years.

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#2439
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/05/syria-russian-led-attack-on-idlib-could-see-700000-displaced

Amnesty International and the Norwegian Refugee Council also called for the planned assault to be abandoned, with both organisations fearing the consequences would be far worse than in other cities attacked earlier in the war.

“The shocking civilian death tolls and war crimes witnessed recently in other parts of Syria such as eastern Aleppo city, eastern Ghouta and Daraa must not be repeated in Idlib,” said Amnesty’s Middle East campaign director Samah Hadid.



they keep saying every operation will be a holocaust and when it isn't they say oh sorry, we got it wrong, but we promise the next one will be

Russian and Syrian rhetoric in the lead-up to the anticipated strike has depicted the area as controlled by extremist groups, particularly the al-Qaida-aligned al-Nusra Front. Opposition groups remain deeply divided, and an extremist alliance, Tahrir al-Sham, holds sway in some areas. Russia has demanded that Turkey use its influence in northern Syria to dissolve Tahrir al-Sham – an outcome that Ankara says it cannot deliver.



someone needs to tell the guardian it's not just russia and syria - even the UN now admits there's are 10s of thousands of jihadis holding the whole of idlib hostage

A Turkish-backed group of former anti-Assad units has, however, gathered strength in recent months.



very tactful way to describe jihadi death squads openly back by a NATO member state

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#2440
if they're a "former anti-Assad unit", surely that ought to mean they're now pro-Assad (and therefore wouldn't prevent the government from governing the city)? how can you cease being anti-Assad but still be prepared to take up arms against his administration? or, is it that they were formerly, and are no longer, a unit - but remain opposed to Assad despite their de-unitization? whichever way you cut it, "former anti-Assad unit" is an audaciously stupid concept