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v kind and helpful for usa to send ksa and uae lists of sensitive civilian targets not to bomb. i bet that new cholera clinic would have been on the list if it hadn't been deliberately bombed already. good on usa for making sure that invasion forces know where not to bomb, so this doesn't turn into an awful massacre seemingly intended to reduce the population to more manageable numbers
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I was about to quote that bit lol

Washington, the paper says, is providing its Persian Gulf allies with intelligence on airstrike targets in the port. It cited American military officials as saying that the US is helping the UAE develop a list of targets meant to be off limits for airstrikes on Hudaydah, with an apparent aim to minimize civilian casualties.

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Israel is behind an attack in Syria that killed dozens, CNN reported Monday, citing a U.S. official.

According to Syrian state television, the strike targeted pro-regime forces and caused multiple casualties. The airstrike took place on the Iraq-Syria border on Sunday and killed 22 members of a Shiite militia. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based war monitor, said the number of pro-regime casualties had risen to 52.
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That Bana tweet is one of the getfiscal parodies right? ...right?!
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It's real although i think they deleted it after the fact
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It's real, I distinctly recall the braying retards in the d&d thread unironically supporting it.
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https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/high-ranking-jihadist-commander-assassinated-in-aleppo/

i've seen similar stories elsewhere; this is one of a number of recent assassinations of "moderate rebels". would unknown assailants necessarily = syrian security forces? i mean i'm guessing they also have a lot of enemies amongst the civilian population in a city they spent over half a decade terrorising.

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thatfatkid posted:

It's real, I distinctly recall the braying retards in the d&d thread unironically supporting it.



yeah I remember seeing the live link for it posted in a forum elsewhere and the resident libs lost their shit completely and were saying Russia hacked the account, must have done

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ghostpinballer posted:

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/high-ranking-jihadist-commander-assassinated-in-aleppo/i've seen similar stories elsewhere; this is one of a number of recent assassinations of "moderate rebels". would unknown assailants necessarily = syrian security forces? i mean i'm guessing they also have a lot of enemies amongst the civilian population in a city they spent over half a decade terrorising.


could be a lot of things bumping them off. internal power struggle, intelligence cleaning up no longer useful assets, reading one of my terrible posts,

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Thereve been a ton of assassinations of like rival rebel sect leaders so infighting is a strong possibility or just the Assad Curse is gobbling them up
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or possibly the people running the U.S. shitshow are pivoting back from constant chaos to a chosen thug and his circle as their strategy, and are cleaning house among their former friends. pure speculation but it’s also easy to imagine certain people in the current ruling gang looping their thumbs into their belt loops and declaring the old ways are best by tarnation.
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https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2018/06/30/how-a-victorious-bashar-al-assad-is-changing-syria?frsc=dg%7Ce

"as the war swung their way, minorities regained their confidence. Alawite soldiers now flex arms tattooed with Imam Ali, whom they consider the first imam after the Prophet Muhammad (Sunnis see things differently). Christian women in Aleppo show their cleavage."

writer makes it very clear they don't like the idea of empowered minorities and clearly laments the defeat of a radical sunni insurgency. i mean...it's 2018. how are these shills still getting published.
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Caesura109 posted:

With Syria temporarily out of commission, Jordan is next on the list
I was rather disgusted by people who supported the AKP until very recently, on the basis of his actions in Syria, but after speaking with some liberals and even a few leftists (a la Green Book), they similarly view the movement behind the AKP as a necessary albeit bourgeois movement vying for greater self determination in the wider Middle East.



lmao who the hell came up with this contrived shit? akp sold our country to the yanks almost entirely. there is no "bourgeois movement vying for greater self determination in the wider Middle East" here at all

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https://almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-govt-kurdish-pyd-make-important-agreement-in-al-hasakah/

big, and long overdue IMO.
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hope everyposter itt is keeping theyre hands off syria
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Caesura109 posted:

there is no "bourgeois movement vying for greater self determination in the wider Middle East" here at all

Maybe not for Turkey itself, I'm referring to the aforementioned anti-salafist and democratic Arab movements that have flocked to Turkey from the MENA region.



who are these people?

And Turkey belonged to the yanks before the AKP, it joined NATO a lifetime ago and allowed total yank infiltration of the military in the 80s. The Turkey that the AKP inherited was already "sold to the yanks entirely", up to and including a "secularist" military run by former attaches in Washington and Israel who along with their phony judiciary had the power to overthrow and dissolve any parties at Washington and Israel's behest. It should be clear by the West's direct involvement and support of coups up to 97.



thanks for this rundown of events in my own country but i still dont see the relevance. do you think AKP is any different? the point you are trying to make seems very confused to me looking from turkey itself

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ghostpinballer posted:

Alawite soldiers now flex arms tattooed with Imam Ali



The monster Assad sent a bunch of shredded Shia bodybuilders to show me up at planet fitness

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Caesura109 posted:

do you think AKP is any different?

The point I'm making is thay Turkey is not sufficiently in lockstep with the new alignment in the Middle East that regime change is very much on the table and has been attempted. A realignment towards Russia-Iran-Qatar is increasingly a possibility as the West has lost its regime change vehicle in the military. Their row with the EU is nothing new, but their serious row with NATO, degree of control over oil flow, involvement in Syria make it clear that the AKP has leverage over Washington in ways that their predecessor did not.

Had the regime change occured its hard to imagine that Turkey would be currently backing Qatar in the GCC crisis, that they'd be trying to unfreeze relations with Iran and Russia while supporting Gaza, or that they (along with Qatar) would be one of two places where people critical of the new Arab Likudniks can go on television and expose and incite against the regional powers and their involvement in and derailment of the Arab Spring movement without being disappeared or beheaded. Al Jazeera inspired Arabic media has taken root there after being shut down in the past few years, and Palestinian journalists in the Israel-aligned bloc are being shut down and immigrating there.

The AKP is still a bunch of corrupt imperialists representing one faction of the Turkish and international bourgeoisie, but what I'm saying is that they are less in lockstep with the new and comparatively worse program than the opposition would be.



well, yes and no. there are frictions between the west and AKP, that s true, but they are exaggerated. a realignment towards russia etc will never occur under AKP s rule. i would even question if qatar is part of any axis with russia and iran. but the greater problem is that the apparent frictions are mostly caused by the kurdish question which leads turkey to negotiate with russia on certain issues regarding syria. and even so, erdoğan s policy towards syria is still, in general, the same of the western powers.

in fact, if you look at signs pointing the other way, you would see that they are much stronger. a month before our elections, which we had like a week ago, erdoğan and his cronies visited london twice to reassure investors that the profits would keep flowing and to beg publicly for money. we keep picking fights with germany but germany is our top importer and we are also absorbing shitloads of their exports and this business is untouched. a similar thing goes on with israel. the most outrageous incident was when erdoğan sent his minister on a personal mission a few weeks after he yelled at shimon peres at the davos summit to conduct business stuff. the economic ties between us and israel keep getting stronger so we are boosting the settler economy, along with sending them northern iraqi oil. we recently sold many of our sugar factories to cargill for dirt cheap. then again AKP has always been like this. like the first major foreign policy related thing they did after getting into power was their drive to join yanks in invading iraq (lol i previously wrote "invading turkey", what a typo). the opposition and the internal opposition in AKP (who then got removed) blocked it, one of the reason why the "ergenekon" drama was unleashed upon the military later. and their economic policy is privatizing everything and doing pretty much nothing else.

so, i still see no signs of AKP or the bourgeoisie behind it developing any sort of self determination. in fact, the west has realized that they need erdoğan (so did the secular bourgeoisie) to keep the money flowing out to the west which was why the opposition relented very fast after erdoğan won the latest elections. i think you are exaggerating the coup stuff, it was mostly a factional fight. if they had won, things would be pretty much the same, maybe except we would be less involved in syria. the impression you got by talking to the people you have mentioned is the complete opposite of every single leftist party in this country, except for one very unique case which is some weird microsect that refuses to die out. their leader used to be a maoist, calling for protesting soviet fleets passing thru the bosphorus and calling ussr social imperialist over and over, his newspapers would give the names and addresses of leftists publicly to the cops, then in the 90s he both managed to become an ardent supporter of PKK and then became the exact opposite by turning into an ardent kemalist. now he is saying erdoğan is fighting a new war of independence. everyone else in the left disagrees. i can understand the confusion though, but, unfortunately, it has no factual basis at all

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ghostpinballer posted:

https://almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-govt-kurdish-pyd-make-important-agreement-in-al-hasakah/big, and long overdue IMO.


came to post this, fingers crossed! part about removing the Ocalan posters is really funny

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Caesura109 posted:

Thanks for the clarification, much of the Turks and Arabs I speak to are liberals and soc dems, and its obvious that the AKP along with the rest have been committed to utterly crushing the left since the 80s. I do believe that the AKP has won a lot of good will with anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-monarchy Arab movements, amd that they represent a faction of Middle East imperialist that is overall a lesser evil to the faction the Israelis and Saudis represent, even if they are playing a cynical game themselves.

Do major Turkish socialist groups publish in English? I know quite a few of them are underground, but was wondering if they have publications I can access for better leftist perspective on the AKP foreign policy.


The TKP has https://news.sol.org.tr and http://icp.sol.org.tr/

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Caesura109 posted:

Thanks for the clarification, much of the Turks and Arabs I speak to are liberals and soc dems, and its obvious that the AKP along with the rest have been committed to utterly crushing the left since the 80s. I do believe that the AKP has won a lot of good will with anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-monarchy Arab movements, amd that they represent a faction of Middle East imperialist that is overall a lesser evil to the faction the Israelis and Saudis represent, even if they are playing a cynical game themselves.

Do major Turkish socialist groups publish in English? I know quite a few of them are underground, but was wondering if they have publications I can access for better leftist perspective on the AKP foreign policy.



well, the anti-whatever stuff is usually used by AKP internally to consolidate the base, both by playing to the islamist neverending sense of persecution at the hands of the west but also calling their rivals pawns of the west (which is almost always true, especially in the case of gülenists, but AKP fits this description at least as good as anyone else). but there had been a period where AKP also used this for foreign policy purposes. back when davutoğlu was the prime minister (the era where the region was rocked by "spring" movements), we made a risky move. as a semi-periphery country turkey keeps getting locked into this accumulation crisis as we dont have much of a colony or any other foreign region to exploit (like we only have iraqi kurdistan etc to dump our shit) and this urge to get more zones of exploitation always keep coming back and going. anyway, during the spring stuff, AKP decided to roll the dice by banking on branches of muslim brotherhood (they are pretty much the same both in class base and politics so this is more than natural) so that not only we would have countries in the region ideologically and politically aligned with us, but i think the real goal was exploitation of these countries as well. this was when erdoğan ratcheted up anti-israel stuff (the davos drama, mavi marmara incident) but as i said it was a smokescreen if you look at the real actions of the government back then. the media drive behind this was so strong that erdoğan was called the new caliph by arabs abroad. but we already know that muslim brotherhood serves nothing but imperialism, same should go for AKP without any doubt.

about turkish groups publishing in english, i think TKP is the only one that does it regularly, then again i m not much of a fan of TKP lol

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the opposition rarely talks about syrian refugees but the presidential candidate of the opposition was quote outspoken about many issues during his campaign, including this one. what he said was that, yes we will make the refugees return but we will first fix our relations with the syrian state and help them fix their country. there are rumors about the relation between the refugees and AKP, of the sort that you have mentioned. turks are very anti-arab, even the religious ones, so these rumors might be racist scaremongering. they might also be true, given how AKP is never above resorting to any dirty trick (like letting ISIS bomb public rallies of leftists to get more votes). i dont know enough about the refugee situation to say anything with certainty
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hell yea my hands still off syria
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G E T H Y P E D

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hashtag Soon
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Faced with the problem that the Syrian Army was overrunning AQ and FSA lines so fast and capturing so many american/zionist weapons and ammunition that they were running out of warehouse space to store it all, Assad came up with an elegantly simple solution.

He sent truckloads of CIA-donated missiles to Hezbollah.
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as one commentator says below the article, it probably is difficult for SAA to distinguish between jihadis and turkish troops. i mean i'm sure turkey have some goodass explanations but when you see the turkish army and security services bussing the fuckers in over the border, then driving in the same convoys, working together on ethnic cleansing ops, literally singing the same jihadi folk songs while raping and pillaging, it tends to give the impression that they're on the same side. i know, i know, fkn crazy ain't it.

quite funny watching weird ass redkahina types twist and twist again trying to defend turkey here.

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chickeon
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who's defending turkey?? link?
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chickeon posted:

who's defending turkey?? link?



have seen at least 2 users itt making some pretty weird comments to the effect of turkey is cool and good, but i shan't name names as i am a noob