#1001
can't wait for kim jong un to recommend some pardons to trump
#1002
i heartily congratulate trump abandoning g7 to go to his meeting with KJU
#1003
the best way to watch the post summit trump presser is on the official fox news youtube stream, because after a press question about trudeau the comments are things like "Justin is such a Soy Boy" and "That last reporter sounded so gay".
#1004
really enjoying the libs saying "this is the first time an american president has SHOOK HANDS with a DICTATOR"
#1005
especially because, as we all know, kim is not a dictator, and also thin
#1006

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

really enjoying the libs saying "this is the first time an american president has SHOOK HANDS with a DICTATOR"


I got mad enough today at a lib i barely know ranting about this on facebook that i wrote something on facebook for the first time in years

#1007
I don't know what the fuck is going on but Dennis Rodman is, as always, a beautiful seraph in spite of himself
#1008

ilmdge posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

really enjoying the libs saying "this is the first time an american president has SHOOK HANDS with a DICTATOR"

I got mad enough today at a lib i barely know ranting about this on facebook that i wrote something on facebook for the first time in years



they wouldn't be liberals if their brains could "grok" the idea that america has been basically this bad forever and trump's just honest about it

#1009

neckwattle posted:

I don't know what the fuck is going on but Dennis Rodman is, as always, a beautiful seraph in spite of himself



rodman getting the peace prize would be more deserved than obama

#1010
the uniformity of the corporate media's messaging is really something to behold.

"the Brutal Dictator's Charm Offensive, beware this. we must not permit this barbaric offensive, characterized by charm. he is ATTACKING us with positivity, with patience and civility."

on the other hand, they're leaving themselves wide open to someone arguing "we must swiftly and decisively respond in kind"
#1011
MJ : Dennis Rodman
as
Barack Obama : Dennis Rodman
#1012
what's funny is that had Obama reached any diplomatic agreement with NK, Trump would probably have tried to void it by now
#1013
maybe not for sure... like, the mighty israeli/saudi/uae lobbyists out there who seduced trump w/ the magic orb probably arent as interested in the dprk as they are iran.
#1014

ilmdge posted:

seduced trump w/ the magic orb


it all makes sense now, we're living in a chuck tingle fic

#1015

ilmdge posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

really enjoying the libs saying "this is the first time an american president has SHOOK HANDS with a DICTATOR"

I got mad enough today at a lib i barely know ranting about this on facebook that i wrote something on facebook for the first time in years


i was getting really mad and confused at these comments until i reread them and realised you werent talking about lil b

#1016


#1017
Thinking of Yeonmi Park tonight. They told her that the only shapes were square and triangle, she had to learn about circles all on her own by reading Watership Down
#1018
She told me reading Animal Farm helped her heal by showing that trying to build a more equal society is bad
#1019
I'm so angry that Trump is shaking hands with dictators and giving Putin what he wants by stopping the was games 6000 miles away from the U.S border. Anyways, has anyone else been watching the good news channel MSNBC.
#1020
MessNBC
#1021
i heard on npr that lots of people in south korea are really nervous about the conference because they feel safer having usa nuclear arsenal and 30k trops on hand. many people in south korea think it is a sign of weakness to discontinue invasion rehearsals
#1022

rolaids posted:


ah, andrea chalupa, of the my-grandfather-was-a-soviet-defector-and-now-i-work-in-"media" chalupas

#1023
#1024

ialdabaoth posted:

i heard on npr that lots of people in south korea are really nervous about the conference because they feel safer having usa nuclear arsenal and 30k trops on hand. many people in south korea think it is a sign of weakness to discontinue invasion rehearsals



we call these people U.S. Marines

#1025
Moon's party crushed in the elections, I wouldn't worry about South Koreans. NPR of course is going to find the one guy who says what they want but overall Koreans want peace and more importantly support Moon's economic policies.
#1026
#1027
holy shit lol thats certainly a fresh new take on the we died for nothing whine
#1028
please consider the amount of hours we devoted to sitting around playing skyrim in defense of the homeland. do you really want that to mean nothing?
#1029

babyhueypnewton posted:

Moon's party crushed in the elections, I wouldn't worry about South Koreans. NPR of course is going to find the one guy who says what they want but overall Koreans want peace and more importantly support Moon's economic policies.



what are his economic policies are like?

#1030

sovnarkoman posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Moon's party crushed in the elections, I wouldn't worry about South Koreans. NPR of course is going to find the one guy who says what they want but overall Koreans want peace and more importantly support Moon's economic policies.

what are his economic policies are like?



There's currently a class struggle within the party between the liberals and the leftists. The leftists have had some major accomplishments like raising the minimum wage 55% by 2020 (the initial demand of labor was 55% to 10$/hr by this year while businesses wanted 2.4%, the hike this year already has been 16% to give you an idea), releasing the head of KCTU radical umbrella labor union Han Sang-gyun from prison after Park Geun-hye had him illegally arrested, and big stimulus packages to jobs focused on incentivizing full time employment, youth employment, and low-income hires. There are more promises about raising pensions, reforming the conglomerates, etc. We'll see if those happen now that he has a broad mandate. Basically what Sanders or Corbyn would do it they were president. But since South Korea is in the semi-periphery, these policies necessarily contain anti-imperialism, in this case peace efforts with North Korea and China and collaboration with the actual party of the left in the Minjung party.

But there have been setbacks as well, with efforts by liberals to undermine the minimum wage law, throw other labor activists in prison (there's a struggle over the ex general secretary of the KCTU union Joung Yoo Lee's arrest right now which is very similar), and of course use the US as leverage to install THAAD against the wishes of the president and the Korean people. Moon himself represents a continuation of the presidency of Roh Moo Hyun who was about as far left as liberals can get without becoming leftists (unsurprisingly, imperialism is the line, specifically the collapse of the struggle against US occupation in 2002 and sending troops to Iraq which led to the end of the possibility for the national bourgeoisie (what was called the triparte alliance of labor/business/government which was kind of like a shitty New Democracy to implement progressive policy even though a kind of liberal consensus remained until 2007), but hopefully the stronger position of the left and the importance of China to both Korea's will change the balance of forces. The last collapse of the left happened because of imperialism but also the betrayal of petty-bourgeois students and national bourgeoisie forces and the lack of political leadership for the working class. Now that alliance has come together again with liberals in government but labor leading the mass movement in the streets, we'll see if a proletarian party can form and accomplish what failed before in less favorable circumstances. It would also be very important if North Korea could help, and for this it's essential to build political alliances as is currently happening with the first student exchanges between Kim Il Sung university and Seoul National University and hopefully labor solidarity building through visits to the North.

It's not really a question of whether the left should support Moon or be independent. The left is strong enough that it doesn't need to subordinate itself to anyone. That it is the opposite in America shows that the causality of whether to "support" X bourgeois party or movement is backwards: it is not our political choices that determine our strength but our strength rooted in material reality that determines what choices are possible. When the left is strong, the political choices are clear as well: peace with North Korea and lifting sanctions, repealing the national security law, end of the military occupation, nationalizing the conglomerates, and eventually building a socialist state apparatus through revolution when the capitalist reaction necessarily comes. The South Korean people aren't quite there yet but they're a lot closer than trying to convince white Americans that they should support the end of imperialist value extraction.

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#1031

cars posted:


#1032
#1033
you all laughed when i posted The Left Case For Trump. but who's laughing now

#1034
Kim Jong Un is laughing, is responsible for this, and is our supreme commander, here on this Web site, the rhizzone.
#1035

Petrol posted:

cars posted:



cars posted:

yeah and even better, they're threatening to end U.S. occupation because RoK's government has stopped seeing DPRK as a dire existential threat, while their entire public apologia for that occupation is... RoK's government agreeing that DPRK poses a dire existential threat



post theft is real, and it's not okay

#1036

lo posted:




it sounds like the history channel guy reading out of the new testament

#1037

jansenist_drugstore posted:

lo posted:





it sounds like the history channel guy reading out of the new testament


i get a vibe of rts game cinematic, which is cool

#1038
shouldve played an adam curtis montage
#1039
donald trump rudely queues up like ten youtubes in a row while hanging out with kim jong-un at his flat
#1040
First export to the North after peace will be Jake Paul and YouTube culture