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im permabanned poster trotstomper88. i first started reading rhizzone when i was about 12. by 14 i got really obsessed with the concept of "permanent revolution" and tried to channel it constantly, until my thought process got really bizarre and i would repeat things like "degenerated worker's state" and "socialism from below" in my head for hours, and i would get really paranoid, start seeing stalinists in the corners of my eyes etc, basically reactionary individualism. im now on liberalism. i always wondered what the kind of "anti-imperialist" style of rhizzone humor was all about; i think it's the fascist leaking into marxism, what leninist theory considered to be the cause of social imperialism and reformism. i would advise all people who "get" rhizzone to be careful because that likely means you have a predisposition to revisionism. peace.
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blinkandwheeze posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

and partially seeing "maoists" who are in reality pro-imperialism.

what are you talking about. does anyone on this forum actually read maoists that aren't proprietors of blogs



I dunno man read that AMA

https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/3vk787/marxismleninismmaoism_ama/

What is your view of the Tienanmen Square Massacre?
A clamp down on revolutionary dissent by a state capitalist regime. Many of the protesters sang the International, held pictures of Mao, and chanted slogans from the Cultural Revolution. The general sense was one of returning to revolutionary socialism and criticizing the severe rightward trend that had developed post-Mao.


Unlike the Stalinists, who praise(d) the monolithic party, Maoists view line struggle as key to the development of political lines and a healthy party life.


What is the MLM attitude towards the current socialist sates, i.e. China, Cuba, DPRK etc. Do you still consider them all socialist?
No. The MLM position on this is that there are no current states that are "actually existing socialism". Here's an article by the PCR-RCP that deals with this, but the DPRK specifically.



this is like FBI level of bullshit. obviously those people are the blog idiots you're referring to, but it's still disturbing that concepts like 'state capitalism' and 'social imperialism' can lead to pro-imperialism. also the idea that maoism only started in the 80s or whatever seemed crazy, try telling a chinese person they're not actually a maoist but some tiny party in Canada is.

I'm still like 99% maoist, but I guess I took for granted that maoists would be automatically anti-imperialist.

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babyhueypnewton posted:

but it's still disturbing that concepts like 'state capitalism' and 'social imperialism' can lead to pro-imperialism.


i don't think it's anymore disturbing than idiots who post on reddit making any other point. who cares. the disconcerting thing is people letting this type of irrelevancy be a fundamental frame of reference when talking about a revolutionary arm of the people's struggles internationally

like i said, does anyone here actually read maoists that aren't bloggers - or an intellectual published by a first world academic press, or whatever

babyhueypnewton posted:

also the idea that maoism only started in the 80s or whatever seemed crazy


it probably seems crazy because it's really obviously false and can be dismissed with the most cursory examination of the actual history in place here. i've addressed this on the forums before

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PCR-RCP is pretty bad, RSM and NCP in NYC also are huge social chauvinists
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Agreed, fwiw
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I think we all agree I'll admit that maoism is a real thing and what random idiots and first world micro-parties say shouldn't even be mentioned though.
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Mike Nelson here.
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blinkandwheeze posted:

like i said, does anyone here actually read maoists that aren't bloggers - or an intellectual published by a first world academic press, or whatever

Mod here - just a warning: Never insult blogs on this site.

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I'm actually enormously skeptical of most leftist orgs. none of them atm seem to have a handle on who or what 21st century fascists look like. i think the only way we will win is if we act as a cohesive group. and. also. when the fascists begin to show their true colors on a large scale.
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America has a far too developed and heterogeneous civil society for democratic centralist political parties to play anything but an auxiliary role. Possibly a very useful and admirable one,as the CPUSA around the 30s or so demonstrated, but still an auxiliary one.

Only societies formerly run by highly centralized royal autocracies submit at all to be governed by red political party states, because the flat surfaces, mental as well as social, left by the former makes the work of the latter type of regimes easier.
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If revolution comes to America its going to look like a cross between the civil rights movements, the oath-keepers, and a military coup.
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using "revolution" in a generic, value-netural sense, because i honestly am not sure which direction such a development would ultimately go.
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the only way revolution will come to america is foreign invasion
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thirdplace posted:

the only way revolution will come to america is foreign invasion



That or a serious secession crisis.

Just as saving the Union became the justification for dispossessing the slaveocrats in the Second American Revolution, just so it will be when the expropriation of the post-neoliberal plutocracy occurs in the Third Revolution to come.

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if you meant by that comment only a revolution from above brought about by foreign occupation is possible in America, you are forgetting that the United States is not Germany, trapped in the middle of a continent with much more powerful neighbors to its East and West, with no vast bodies of water in between to give it breathing room.
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hi
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https://twitter.com/FUGOSLAVIA/status/673931966031503362
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I think the arc of the Sandinistas in Nicuregua is a good precedent to keep in mind at times like this.
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i really doubt a foreign invasion, unless by foreign invasion you mean the endogenous proletariat, who are ripe for revolution
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In Firefly, Mandarin has become one of the dominant tongues in the universe.
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http://bonnevillesocialist.com/
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Seriously good shit.
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discipline posted:

this fucking rules

you should set up a publishing template for similar projects rhizzoners want to run in their locales

perhaps it could be built from django zinnia and dozens of smaller.... apps......

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The code is on GitHub. Privately though. The hard part is deployment. It's a fucking miserable process. In the end people might be better served using Wordpress or something. I'm not really sure.
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Maybe the goal should be a nice Wordpress template or a self contained cms that deploys easily somehow. But has features like a front page and prominent event ticker.
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Someday, somehow, I know there will be a front page.....
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mt.real
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I have done web crap since the web was a thing and I have gotten paid for it and I still don't think you get much out of writing the code stuff yourself. it's just some content and templates, there's not much you can do differently with that. is there no good free option? is there a problem with something like WordPress? (I think if you edit the templates enough you can get it to stop looking like Just Someone's WordPress Site)
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mt.real
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I guess what I'm saying is my professional advice is do nothing special, don't fuck around with anything except putting the words up for people to read. that's the important part, everything else is just bullshit in the way of the words
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Occupied Aztlan
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wordpress development is something many small businesses use. the pages we use for things like that are aesthetically and functionally very different from what youre working on, but themes are very easy to develop and theres quite a large number of templates available for a license fee and then you pay monthly for additional support. Karma is one i've worked with a lot and its very easy to manipulate, regular purchase comes with youtube tutorials for the different options available, etc. i dont think karma would really work for your purpose, like i mentioned, but i think it does demonstrate that the tools exist if youd like to use them
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Occupied Aztlan
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Safia looks promising, as does Newspaper
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wordpress is relatively unwieldy and horrifically insecure out of the box. for something as stripped back as this (which i think is a really great way to publish an online newspaper) you might be better off with a flat-file cms like grav or pico.
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hi
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thanks for recommending grav Petrol. never even heard of flat-file CMSes until now.
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Feel like I should chime in again and say that schizophrenia wan't at all what I had in mind when I was talking about mental illness, but I think you who responded knew that, and might even enjoy fucking with vulnerable people.

And for what its worth, talking about lenin and troop tears in the same forum just seems really disingenuous. :dance:
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Mike Nelson here.
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Spatial_Reasoning posted:

And for what its worth, talking about lenin and troop tears in the same forum just seems really disingenuous.

Some of us can walk and chew gum, I guess!

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nah, you've been cool ever since that Pyongyang: a city on the grow dubai parody.
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Spatial_Reasoning posted:

And for what its worth, talking about lenin and troop tears in the same forum just seems really disingenuous.


what's context, precious? what is it, eh?

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HenryKrinkle posted:

thanks for recommending grav Petrol. never even heard of flat-file CMSes until now.



Agreed... Thanks for the grav info.

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