"As of 2005, the 100th anniversary of its founding, the IWW had around 5,000 members, compared to 13 million members in the AFL-CIO."
you all hold a very special place in my heart, and mustang holds like 350 places because of all his dupe accounts. good wishes for those engaging in revolutionary struggle, whatever that may mean... (posting)
Themselves posted:well, i guess ive graduated from noam chomsky and michael albert as bookends of my thought to a man that may or may not live in a swamp and an intelligent bird, so that's good.
you all hold a very special place in my heart, and mustang holds like 350 places because of all his dupe accounts. good wishes for those engaging in revolutionary struggle, whatever that may mean... (posting)
mail me a box of books
tpaine posted:2016 will be the gayest year in existnece
i have my fingers crossed
The main thing I've been thinking about is how forums like this don't exist anymore. People have no way to bounce ideas around and actually learn from each other. I talk to people so often who are interested in socialism but the structural conditions of the internet that helped me find truth are gone. I hope that when the current dot com bubble collapses the internet goes back to Usenet and BBS forums. Also the jokes on the internet now are like shitty GBS from 2004.
The percentage of the population with schizophrenia is 1.1 percent and the percentage with schizoaffective disorder is 0.5 percent. Combined, that would be a 1.6 percent chance that a single person here would have one or the other (assuming there were even 100 people). To have three is 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent = 0.0004096 percent. By contrast, the chance of a single individual being struck by lightning is 0.083 percent.
There is pretty clearly something going on besides pure chance. Is it critical theory? Politics can factor in but that is just as easily if not more right than left. While popular here, the theory of defective moral character has been discredited for over a century now and liberal individualist nonsense to boot.
This forum is a psychotomimetic environment. It would probably be a good idea to look at what the structural problems are above and beyond individuals if you are serious about not wanting it to continue.
swirlsofhistory posted:Yeah normies really fucked up the internet
from what i can tell its probably top-down pressure from the bourgeoisie and their handlers to centralize the internet into a few easy to manage and monitor websites, patterns, etc
laika posted:ok, so with respect to the whole mental illness thing:
The percentage of the population with schizophrenia is 1.1 percent and the percentage with schizoaffective disorder is 0.5 percent. Combined, that would be a 1.6 percent chance that a single person here would have one or the other (assuming there were even 100 people). To have three is 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent = 0.0004096 percent. By contrast, the chance of a single individual being struck by lightning is 0.083 percent.
There is pretty clearly something going on besides pure chance. Is it critical theory? Politics can factor in but that is just as easily if not more right than left. While popular here, the theory of defective moral character has been discredited for over a century now and liberal individualist nonsense to boot.
This forum is a psychotomimetic environment. It would probably be a good idea to look at what the structural problems are above and beyond individuals if you are serious about not wanting it to continue.
Thank you,Laika.....dog of the stars.......
laika posted:ok, so with respect to the whole mental illness thing:
The percentage of the population with schizophrenia is 1.1 percent and the percentage with schizoaffective disorder is 0.5 percent. Combined, that would be a 1.6 percent chance that a single person here would have one or the other (assuming there were even 100 people). To have three is 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent = 0.0004096 percent. By contrast, the chance of a single individual being struck by lightning is 0.083 percent.
There is pretty clearly something going on besides pure chance. Is it critical theory? Politics can factor in but that is just as easily if not more right than left. While popular here, the theory of defective moral character has been discredited for over a century now and liberal individualist nonsense to boot.
This forum is a psychotomimetic environment. It would probably be a good idea to look at what the structural problems are above and beyond individuals if you are serious about not wanting it to continue.
did you ever get around to reading R.D. Laing? i'd be curious as to hear your opinion on him, however brief...
laika posted:The percentage of the population with schizophrenia is 1.1 percent and the percentage with schizoaffective disorder is 0.5 percent. Combined, that would be a 1.6 percent chance that a single person here would have one or the other (assuming there were even 100 people). To have three is 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent = 0.0004096 percent. By contrast, the chance of a single individual being struck by lightning is 0.083 percent.
Schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder are not totally distinct illnesses, not from each other and not from normal human thought and behavior. They cannot be diagnosed by reading someone's posts alone, especially by you. The planet's mental health care system is kind of shit, so it's likely that, either through underreporting or overdiagnosis, the stats are wrong. Also, one could just as easily claim tHE r H i z z o n E has a comparatively low incidence of mental disorder compared to the rest of the internet, and when it does crop up here, it doesn't go ignored, whereas the posters at most other comment systems are truly a hive of fucking insane people trying to yell over each other. So if you ask me, this forum is a psycho-emetic environment, adding digital commie fiber to the breakfast of life 
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swampman posted:laika posted:The percentage of the population with schizophrenia is 1.1 percent and the percentage with schizoaffective disorder is 0.5 percent. Combined, that would be a 1.6 percent chance that a single person here would have one or the other (assuming there were even 100 people). To have three is 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent times 1.6 percent = 0.0004096 percent. By contrast, the chance of a single individual being struck by lightning is 0.083 percent.
Schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder are not totally distinct illnesses, not from each other and not from normal human thought and behavior. They cannot be diagnosed by reading someone's posts alone, especially by you. The planet's mental health care system is kind of shit, so it's likely that, either through underreporting or overdiagnosis, the stats are wrong. Also, one could just as easily claim tHE r H i z z o n E has a comparatively low incidence of mental disorder compared to the rest of the internet, and when it does crop up here, it doesn't go ignored, whereas the posters at most other comment systems are truly a hive of fucking insane people trying to yell over each other. So if you ask me, this forum is a psycho-emetic environment, adding digital commie fiber to the breakfast of life
this, tbh.
Also, I think that in the case of at least some of the perceived mental illness on here (including that of the notorious stang), the internet troll variation of poe's law is at work.
MarxUltor posted:I can't even connect with other people I meet because they see the world through an unbreakable lens of fascism and liberalism and football and its like trying to have a conversation with a zimbabwean tribesman from 1427 for all the common ground there is. So, I just work my safe middle class job, go home, stay angry and bitter all the time
saem. learn what revolutionary defeatism means tho
I already knew that last part, but thanks everyone for the reminder!
tpaine posted:Yeah, thanks everybody.
Are you getting excited for Christmas? I sure am!
discipline posted:MarxUltor posted:I'm probably the living definition of revolutionary defeatism.
Revolutionary Defeatism is a Trotskyite reification into a dogma of a sometime tactical line of Lenin that disavows all co-operation with any country in a war among the great powers, seeking instead to turn the inter-imperialist war abroad into a civil war at home.
Of course, the Bosheviks really only held to this line between the outbreak of the World War I and 1917, when the February Revolution put them in a position to potentially take a leading role in Russian national politics as opposed to clandestine organizing. At which point, Lenin got permission for that train ride to Petrograd from the representatives of His Imperial and Royal Majesty, and the rest is history:
“We were defeatists under the tsar, but under Tseretelli and Chernov (the Kerensky government) we were not defeatists (Lenin speaking in 1918 to the 4th Extraordinary All-Russian Congress of Soviets)"
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Secondly, Lenin discovered in practice that the defeat-slogan was incompatible with a living Marxist approach to the problem of the defense of the nation, conceived not in the social-patriotic sense of the “defense of the fatherland” but in the light of a Marxist class understanding of, and a dynamically revolutionary program for, the nation.
Thirdly: Lenin’s change of line after the democratic (but not socialist) revolution in March reflects the fact – which we have already seen – that the defeat-slogan had a meaning only in terms of a war by the tsarist feudal despotism against a progressive capitalist revolutionary force. This was the situation which Lenin thought obtained in 1904-5, and though he was wrong even then, the defeat-slogan had a clear meaning for him, at least. It was this same arrière pensée which had led Zinoviev to write the qualification “despotic” into his defeatist formulations. The March democratic revolution erased the rock-bottom motive which had led to the defeat-slogan in the first place – the “special Russian” consideration of tsarism as the unique menace, the greatest evil. Naturally, this does not bear on conscious motivation but only on the real theoretical underpinnings, which have their effect despite consciousness.
Fourthly: Lenin’s course proved that defeatism is not any necessary element in a consistent revolutionary anti-war position."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/draper/1953/defeat/chap5.htm#n102
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