babyhueypnewton posted:if you sit around on the internet reading jacobin magazine, you are probably not a member of the proletariat.
OH NOOOoooooo 
Lessons posted:the NoI had no influence on anything and alex jones's audience is overwhelmingly white labor aristocrats
im talking about illuminati shit in general
lol ur so white, noi is probably the single most important organization for understanding how to effectively organize the actual american proletariat and understanding their history of revolutionary politics. you must be a ton of fun trying to tell people in the hood what is and isnt important
Lessons posted:the NoI had no influence on anything
in the U.S's 4th largest city, the NoI provides the spaces and resources for working people to protest executions every time they're scheduled. at their next mtg on Tuesday when they are hosting defense experts, prisoner advocates and prisoner's families, i'll be sure to tell them they have no influence on anything according to an internet poster.
like how they present themselves as a *revitalization* of working class politics but their real aim is to drive out the maoist movie reviewers that have been here for generations
babyhueypnewton posted:you must be a ton of fun trying to tell people in the hood what is and isnt important
how's about you don't come into our hood and tell people what is and isn't important then, jewboy
SariBari posted:Lessons posted:the NoI had no influence on anything
in the U.S's 4th largest city, the NoI provides the spaces and resources for working people to protest executions every time they're scheduled. at their next mtg on Tuesday when they are hosting defense experts, prisoner advocates and prisoner's families, i'll be sure to tell them they have no influence on anything according to an internet poster.
these are all perfectly good things but it's not evidence of them having influence over the working class at all. ANSWER was instrumental in organizing, funding and generally making the pre-Iraq War protests possible, which is great especially since those were some of the largest protests the country has ever seen, but that doesn't mean we should operate under the illusion that the WWP or PSL are anything but tiny marxist parties with no mass base.
Lessons posted:these are all perfectly good things but it's not evidence of them having influence over the working class at all. ANSWER was instrumental in organizing, funding and generally making the pre-Iraq War protests possible, which is great especially since those were some of the largest protests the country has ever seen, but that doesn't mean we should operate under the illusion that the WWP or PSL are anything but tiny marxist parties with no mass base.
okay and do i appreciate you expanding on your point, i took issue with "no influence on anything" specifically because there are a lot of powerful people who do nothing here but a fringe-ish Muslim group (and its allies) in Houston still reaches out to the working class and victims of TDCJ better than any marxist group or major political party does.
SariBari posted:Lessons posted:these are all perfectly good things but it's not evidence of them having influence over the working class at all. ANSWER was instrumental in organizing, funding and generally making the pre-Iraq War protests possible, which is great especially since those were some of the largest protests the country has ever seen, but that doesn't mean we should operate under the illusion that the WWP or PSL are anything but tiny marxist parties with no mass base.
okay and do i appreciate you expanding on your point, i took issue with "no influence on anything" specifically because there are a lot of powerful people who do nothing here but a fringe group in Houston still reaches out to the working class and victims of TCDJ better than any marxist group or major political party does.
i think MIM does prison activism/outreach and was definitely active with it back when they were more substantial, to the point that prison officials took notice and banned their materials in several states. of course they're nowhere near the size of the NoI and never were, and i'd be surprised if they have more than 100 active members today.
diamond_galas posted:you really do get kind of a gentrifier-y vibe from those glossy leftwing blogs tho
like how they present themselves as a *revitalization* of working class politics but their real aim is to drive out the maoist movie reviewers that have been here for generations
this is my point really
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Ironicwarcriminal posted:the left needs to get over it's juvenile belief of the power of words to change things
agreed. what changes things
tpaine posted:WA HEH, WA HEH, WA HEH, WA HEH
tpaine posted:venom.
like, words venom?
daddyholes posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
the left needs to get over it's juvenile belief of the power of words to change things
agreed. what changes things
violence
daddyholes posted:agreed. what changes things
Regret.
Ironicwarcriminal posted:violence
except when it doesn't, right
daddyholes posted:Ironicwarcriminal posted:
violence
except when it doesn't, right
yeah sure but it's success rate is higher than words and talking and this ridiculous fetish for 'education'
jools posted:What is.... Violence
action that isn't language, labour or sex
Ironicwarcriminal posted:jools posted:What is.... Violence
action that isn't language, labour or sex
To make it easier for everyone, I will lay out a brief and very simple, minimalistic instruction manual as to what men can do if they are taken by the desire to give women a hand in destroying man’s dominion. It’s not an instruction as to how to be a feminist man, because as I said earlier, it doesn’t exist and men’s presence is highly undesirable and noxious to feminism. It’s not an instruction as to how to free women from men, because only we can do that. It’s just, if men want to do something for women, this is the LEAST, the VERY LEAST they can do, and it’s easy! No need to say anything! No faux-posturing or lying needed! No invading of women’s spaces! No stealing women’s work!
1. Stop sticking your dicks in women. This is rape. This is torture.
2. Stop sticking your dicks in women. NOW. For EVER!!!! Ever ever. Like, don’t ever put your dick in a woman or a girl again.
3. The above is the utmost, absolute MINIMUM men can do to help women. This does not even count men’s infinite every-day torture that surrounds rape and impregnation of women by men that they should stop too. A man who sticks his dick in girls and women is a rapist (and scum). He is not helping women.
daddyholes posted:A man who sticks his dick in girls and women is a rapist (and scum)
catchphrase