#321
rich people do not belong here and are nefariously carrying disease into our communities.
#322
China Is The New Jew
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#324
#325
*squinting* not sure if loss.jpg or political compass
#326
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#327
i was going to post something about the lieutenant governor of texas saying it's time for the grannies of amerika to walk straight first into the incinerator to save the economy and they will be doing their patriotic duty.

but then i remembered that karl marx considered moving to texas and i imagined if he did, and then died here, but instead of his big gravestone being in highgate cemetery in london it'd be in johnson city or la grange or something like that next to some store that sells propane and propane accessories or something. funny shit
#328
realized current situation provides useful window for data analytics, what was previously inference now gets validated thru global census of everyones 'home' location and support networks.

also thinking about how ensuring all citizens are within respective borders would be ideal risk mitigation prior to engaging in hot interstate war.

edit: i feel like it's going to be a fantastic spring... wild boar have been spotted venturing into central avenues, birds can finally hear eachother and are chatting up a storm. the parks are closed to humans and the city air hasn't been this clean in over 100 years.

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#330
#331

marlax78 posted:

I don't think you should say these kind of things, the underlying logic here is indistinguishable from anti semitism — rich people



Dear audio memoirs! Today I was racist by word substitution again. This - This is the hardest racism not to be.

#332
these kind of posts are everywhere you look on the massively multiplayer web sites
#333
Global dimming which has hidden about 1C of warming is gone. Kiss the coral reefs goodbye, but what other effects that increase in temperature will bring I cannot guess.
#334

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/china-locked-in-hybrid-war-with-us/ posted:

Adding all that to the fact that coronavirus genome variations in Iran and Italy were sequenced and it was revealed they do not belong to the variety that infected Wuhan



#335
https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/03/say-no-to-deaths-dominion
#336
#337

swampman posted:

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2020/03/say-no-to-deaths-dominion


checking the comments just to make sure everyone is talking about stalin

#338
#339
doesn't really sound particularly antisemitic, just kinda unhinged.

Now if it was hinged antisemitism that'd be fine
#340


trump got bored with the quarantine and wants to cancel it. america is a death cult
#341
the republican who finally cut social security
#342

swampman posted:

What's funny about the above conversation is that a large portion of the rich Amerikan crackers who have actively been spreading COVID are likely to blame the Jews once they come down with it


haha that does make me laugh haha

#343

swampman posted:

these kind of posts are everywhere you look on the massively multiplayer web sites


I have a friend from college whose whole family now has #COVID19 because they live in a Western resort town & a group of rich Australian tourists were out partying and defying quarantine, spreading the virus all over town & it turns out it was LACHLAN FUCKING MURDOCH.

— Christy Thornton (@llchristyll) March 23, 2020



flying roundtrip across an ocean costs 1/2 a year's proletarian wage... the class that spreads this virus, inscrutable... who could truly say who brought it into our communities?

i have a 102 fever, dry deep cough, upper body ache, sinuses feel like balloons, v dizzy when i stand. i know it didn't swim here, i know it didn't survive in numbers on asian manufactures, i know container ships have crews less than 2 dozen. so i know what machine it traveled on, the airplane, and i know who can afford seats on those things. so i know this thing ate steak and stroopwaffels before it started on the beans and bread of me.

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#344
cant keep myself from being a little bit paranoid everytime a KKKop car goes by me slowly and the pigs start meanmugging me. i just go out for errands nowadays cause i dont want to get fined for 150 bucks just for having a breath of fresh air but since its the pigs who decide if your errands are worth going out for or not its also risky. As we all know Pigs Are Dumb as Fuck and are deeply mean spirited, so letting them decide over your diet choices is messed up. I doubt they'll understand me walking for an hour just to get pomegranates, mangoes and spices in the indian neighbourhood. if it was up to them we'd all get mercury poisoning from eating canned foods
Also the department i grew up in, the 93, mainly afrikan, accounted for 10% of the quarantine-enforcing fines, while being 2.40% of the entire french population. didnt see that one coming! and you got all the crackers blaming the afrikans for not being able to stay in their thin walled squalid high rise public housing, in which theyre stuck to each other like sardines in their cans. this is really sickening its during times like these i wish a new christopher dorner would rise up and give pigs what they deserve (JOKE)
meanwhile, crackers can walk their little pets and kids unbothered, also it seems like overnight all the crackers turned into athletes training for the next marathon. On top of that every evening now at 8pm they open their windows and clap for a good 3-4 minutes to thank i dont know who, the hospital workers, the government, the pigs, maybe even the workers. Macron's 'trust' rate went up 13%. I talked to a guy who sells veggies and fruits at the market last week and he told me people bought in bulk because of the generalized psychosis, so 3 days later when he came back no one bought anything. So now people got more fresh products than they'll be able to eat and the new batch will be left untouched on the stalls, both ending up in the trash. euro-amerikan societies got so much they simply cant stop wasting!

its only been one week and I dont want to sound pessimistic but i'm really losing hope for the future, and im losing every sense of solidarity i have when i see the behavior of my peers and the labor aristocrats. I know i shouldnt but i just can't keep myself from judging them when i see how quick everybody fell for the massive psychological operation this bioweapon has been used for. They've been setting up a subtle surveillance/securitarian society since the 70s and the masses have been swallowing it up because of how slow paced it was. It starts from things like buzzers at the entrance of buildings and it ends with arbitrary secret services flagging someone for 'suspicious' internet browsing history. they proposed a motion in senate about limiting the quarantine method to the covid outbreak, which was rejected. I think that the nu-gladio 'islamic terrorism' that was en vogue in the last decade was the end of the preparation of the minds for their police state project. Maybe im overly alarmist but this is only the beginning, theyre going to keep us in line and beat us with sticks and the €uropeon lapdogs of imperialism will keep clapping at their balcony every evening.

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#345

MarxUltor posted:

trump got bored with the quarantine and wants to cancel it. america is a death cult


we're through the looking glass here people, smashing through it at high speed, face first

#346
using data from the lombardia outbreak, scientists extrapolated that it will only be about two days until an msnbc pundit asks whether a risk factor for dying from covid 19 could be "having a bad attitude"
#347
one theory that i found interesting, although it confirms my priors, is that the reason why the former soviet bloc is seeing fewer cases and deaths is due to those states' extensive and regular use of BCG vaccines to ward off tuberculosis.



the same pattern appears to have materialized in germany with the former DDR seeing fewer cases (sans berlin).

Public health and the superiority of the socialist system - that was what the GDR was all about when it came to vaccination. A claim that culminated in the slogan: "Socialism is the best prophylaxis". Since the 1950s, the GDR introduced a compulsory vaccination, which was becoming more and more comprehensive: against smallpox, polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, tuberculosis and from the 1970s also against measles. As today, flu vaccination was recommended. Up to the age of 18, adolescents received a total of 20 vaccinations - prescribed by the state.

...

The success of the GDR vaccination programs was enormous. The number of diseases dropped rapidly after their introduction. Particularly spectacular in the fight against polio, especially when compared to the West. While polio epidemics raged in the individualized West in 1960, the centrally administered GDR society had been largely immunized against polio since 1958.

"There was real competition between systems in this field in the early 1960s," explains Malte Thießen. The professor of history in Münster examined vaccination in both German states and compared the politics behind the pieksen - a federal system in the west versus a planned economy, in which health was constitutional and all measures centrally managed by the Ministry of Health in East Berlin were. Opposed to this were individual personality rights versus public health, which the individual had to submit to - also in the interests of socialism. "At the time, prophylaxis and socialism formed an inseparable amalgam. Those who refused vaccinations also did not agree with socialism in the eyes of the government."

...

However, this claim harbored a risk that should not actually be: vaccination fatigue in the east, spontaneous sickness reports before vaccination appointments, refusal to take the injection, skeptical parents. In some districts, such as Rostock and Cottbus, the vaccination rate was sometimes below 50 percent. Was the right class consciousness missing here? The GDR reacted in its own way - with permanent vaccinations and mass vaccinations in holiday camps, schools and companies. The sometimes rigorous vaccination policy in the east had an effect.

The collective security promise still stands for the good side of socialism. In the retrospective, one can almost speak of the last victory of socialism.

https://www.mdr.de/zeitreise/impfen-ddr-sozialismus-100.html


china didn't start vaccinating on a widespread scale until later which might explain why the younger population has fared better than the olds. mexico did a lot of it as well, and saw one tidbit that doctors from the spanish republic who moved there after the war contributed to the practice. there's a trial starting on this:

Researchers in four countries will soon start a clinical trial of an unorthodox approach to the new coronavirus. They will test whether a century-old vaccine against tuberculosis (TB), a bacterial disease, can rev up the human immune system in a broad way, allowing it to better fight the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 and, perhaps, prevent infection with it altogether. The studies will be done in physicians and nurses, who are at higher risk of becoming infected with the respiratory disease than the general population, and in the elderly, who are at higher risk of serious illness if they become infected.

A team in the Netherlands will kick off the first of the trials this week. They will recruit 1000 health care workers in eight Dutch hospitals who will either receive the vaccine, called bacillus Calmette-Guérin (BCG), or a placebo.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/can-century-old-tb-vaccine-steel-immune-system-against-new-coronavirus


#348

cars posted:

ive got a treatment for it......... Communism!!!!


#349
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/coronavirus-westport-connecticut-party-zero.html

Party Zero: How a Soirée in Connecticut Became a ‘Super Spreader’


About 50 guests gathered on March 5 at a home in the stately suburb of Westport, Conn., to toast the hostess on her 40th birthday and greet old friends, including one visiting from South Africa. They shared reminiscences, a lavish buffet and, unknown to anyone, the coronavirus.

Then they scattered.

The Westport soirée — Party Zero in southwestern Connecticut and beyond — is a story of how, in the Gilded Age of money, social connectedness and air travel, a pandemic has spread at lightning speed. The partygoers — more than half of whom are now infected — left that evening for Johannesburg, New York City and other parts of Connecticut and the United States, all seeding infections on the way.

Westport, a town of 28,000 on the Long Island Sound, did not have a single known case of the coronavirus on the day of the party. It had 85 on Monday, up more than 40-fold in 11 days.

At a news conference on Monday afternoon, Gov. Ned Lamont of Connecticut said that 415 people in the state were infected, up from 327 on Sunday night. Ten people have died. Westport, with less than 1 percent of the state’s population, now makes up more than one-fifth of its Covid-19 infections, with 85 cases. Fairfield County, where Westport is, has 270 cases, 65 percent of the state’s total.

Governor Lamont pleaded with federal officials for hospital capacity and protective gear. “I urge them: Don’t think in terms of New York, think in terms of the hot spots,” he said. “And that’s New York City, Westchester County — and Fairfield County.”

Science cannot definitively link those escalating numbers to New York, which now accounts for about half of the coronavirus infections in the United States. But the Westport soirée “may be an example of the kind of thing we call a super-spreading event,” said William Hanage, an associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard, especially since some of the partygoers later attended large social events in the New York metropolitan area.

“Some of the early cases in Northern Italy were associated with small towns, and people thought, ‘Oh, it’s just in the small towns.’ But then you suddenly find cases emerging from Milan Fashion Week and spreading internationally,” Dr. Hanage said. “Everywhere you think the virus is, it’s ahead of you."

The visitor from Johannesburg — a 43-year-old businessman, according to a report from South Africa — fell ill on his flight home, spreading the virus not only in the country but possibly to fellow passengers. The party guests attended other gatherings. They went to work at jobs throughout the New York metropolitan area. Their children went to school and day care, soccer games and after-school sports.

On the morning of March 8, three days after the party, Julie Endich, one of the guests, woke up in Westport with a fever that spiked to 104 degrees and “pain, tightness and heaviness like someone was standing on my chest,” she later wrote on Facebook. She knew her symptoms suggested Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, but it would be four days before she could get test results confirming that she had it.

At noon that day, town and county health officials convened a coronavirus forum at the Westport Library. About 60 people attended, and many others watched on Facebook. When asked whether people, especially Westport’s many older residents, should follow federal government guidance and avoid large gatherings, officials were sanguine.

“It is not out in our community that we’re aware of yet,” said Mark A.R. Cooper, the director of the Westport Weston Health District. “Give it some thought, but again, your risk is low.”

A moderator next passed the microphone to an older man.

“How many test kits do we have in Westport now?” he asked.

“Zero,” Mr. Cooper replied. “None. They’re not available.”

Three days later, on March 11, Mr. Cooper got a phone call: A South African businessman who had stopped in Westport for a party had fallen ill on the plane home to Johannesburg.

“I thought it was good old man flu,” the businessman told The Sunday Times in South Africa, speaking anonymously in a March 15 article. Unlike in the United States, where tests remain in short supply and results come slowly, the man was tested and received word in a day. He was positive.

Mr. Cooper and his staff of nine dusted off their pandemic response plan and began calling party guests, identified by the Westport hosts. A number of the guests had children. Several hours later, Westport closed its schools and most public buildings. Jim Marpe, the Westport first selectman — the equivalent of a mayor — convened a hasty news conference on the steps of the Westport Town Hall.

“We’ll assess the health of those individuals and try to give them some helpful advice in terms of protecting themselves and family and helping prevent further spread,” Mr. Cooper told the crowd.

But, he warned, “The reality is, once it starts to spread in a community, it’s beyond trying to stop it.”

The health district worked with a private company to conduct drive-through testing for party guests only on March 12. About 38 guests showed up, and more than half their tests came back positive. Ms. Endich, after days of rejected attempts, was tested at Stamford Hospital and received her positive result on March 12.

“What we were trying to do was put our arms around it quickly and snuff it out,” Mr. Cooper said. “Never did we dream that in a week’s time we were going to be in the middle of an epidemic.”

The number of sick people in Fairfield County then soared. On March 16, Governor Lamont closed restaurants and public buildings statewide. Even in a well-connected, affluent town like Westport, contact tracing quickly overwhelmed health officials. Beyond the 50 attendees, “there were another 120 on our dance list,” some of whom probably were not at the party, Mr. Cooper said. One of the party guests later acknowledged attending an event with 420 other people, he said. The officials gave up.

“They think at least 100 times as many people are infected as what the tests are showing,” Arpad Krizsan, who owns a financial advisory firm in Westport and lives in the community, said on Saturday. “And everybody goes to the same four shops.”

Worry, rumors and recriminations engulfed the town. Political leaders fielded hundreds of emails and phone calls from residents terrified that their children or vulnerable family members had been exposed. Who threw the party, and who attended? They wanted to know. Rumors flew that some residents were telling health officials they had attended the party so they could obtain a scarce test.

Officials refused to disclose the names of the hosts or any guests, citing federal and state privacy rules. Mr. Marpe posted a videotaped statement to the town website on March 20. “The fact of the matter is that this could have been any one of us, and rumor-mongering and vilification of individuals is not who we are as a civil community,” he said.

As the disease spread, many residents kept mum, worried about being ostracized by their neighbors and that their children would be kicked off coveted sports teams or miss school events.

One local woman compared going public with a Covid-19 diagnosis to “having an S.T.D.”

“I don’t think that’s a crazy comparison,” said Will Haskell, the state senator who represents Westport. He has been fielding frantic phone calls from constituents.

Most residents were exercising recommended vigilance, Mr. Haskell said, but one call that stuck out to him was from a woman awaiting test results whose entire family had been exposed to the virus. “She wanted to know whether or not to tell her friends and social network,” he said, because she was worried about “social stigma.”

Mr. Haskell, who has been delivering his grandparents’ medication to their Westport doorstep and leaving it outside, was incredulous. “This is life or death,” he said in an interview. “Westport really is a cautionary tale of what we’re soon to see.”

The party hosts remain unknown to most, though speculation is rife. Two of the guests, Ms. Endich and Cheryl Chutter, an attendee who lives in Stamford, have identified themselves.

Though she said she was “relentless” in demanding a test, Ms. Chutter did not learn of her diagnosis until March 17. She notified her son’s private school, and “they sent him home in an Uber and closed the school three hours later,” she said. His youth soccer league scrapped the rest of the season for 1,500 players after she informed team leaders that she had stood with other parents cheering on the sidelines before she got sick.

Ms. Chutter and Ms. Endich both emphasized the kindness of their neighbors, who spontaneously delivered food, water and encouragement. Ms. Chutter said health officials called daily to check on her. She is also aware of blaming and efforts to out the party attendees.

“It’s no use pointing fingers,” she said in an interview. “It’s not like you’re going to lock that one person up when there are millions of people in the world who have it. We’re so past that.”

The first partygoer to learn that he was ill with the virus passed word from Johannesburg to Westport that he had fully recovered and even planned to go for a jog.

“I don’t believe I’m the problem anymore,” he told The Sunday Times. “It seems that the real problem is now the people who are too scared to say anything. The problem is the ignorance of the public.”


one data point in favor of the toyot hypothesis

#350
"china coverup" or "china introduced BCG vaccines in 1978 which is why young people fared better there"

#351
how to cover up a mass looting
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/speech/2020/03/23/remarks-by-world-bank-group-president-david-malpass-on-g20-finance-ministers-conference-call-on-covid-19

SHORTEN THE TIME TO RECOVERY

Beyond the severe health impact from the pandemic, we should expect a major recession of the global economy.

We are working to provide a fast response, utilizing all our available instruments. Countries need to move fast to boost health spending, strengthen social safety nets, support the private sector and counter financial-market disruption.

Countries will need to implement structural reforms to help shorten the time to recovery and create confidence that the recovery can be strong. For those countries that have excessive regulations, subsidies, licensing regimes, trade protection or litigiousness as obstacles, we will work with them to foster markets, choice and faster growth prospects during the recovery.

The resources to address the problems I’ve discussed are substantial. IBRD has recently had its capital increased and IDA has also been recently replenished. The World Bank Group, including IFC and MIGA, could deploy as much as $150 billion over the next 15 months.

OFFER DEBT RELIEF TO THE POOREST

I need to raise a related concern. This crisis will likely hit hardest against the poorest and most vulnerable countries, those roughly 75 poorest countries drawing on IDA. Many were already in a difficult debt situation, leaving no space for an appropriate health and economic response. We are ready to frontload IDA19 with up to $35 billion and identify additional resources. However, we cannot have IDA resources go to pay creditors.

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#352
not so much covering up a mass looting as publicly announcing the intention to go on a mass looting in the near future
#353
i for one am outraged that the government hasn't used my phone's location history to arrest me for going to work yet
#354
For just pennies a day, you can foster a market in a plague-ravaged debtor state
#355
hi i am jon stewart and here is your moment of zen


#356
https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-hospitals-nurses-nyc-patients-flood-wards

A nurse at a Queens hospital described the escalating situation like the “wild, wild west.”

“They’re bullying (people) to sign (do not resuscitate, do not intubate) orders,” she said, of older patients in her ward, “and if you walk into a room and find somebody not breathing, you do not call any response whatsoever, you let them go.”
#357
#358

wasted posted:

It's incredible that our ruling elites want to solve a pandemic with American ideology. Sorry for being chicken little in this thread.


#359

trakfactri posted:

one theory that i found interesting, although it confirms my priors, is that the reason why the former soviet bloc is seeing fewer cases and deaths is due to those states' extensive and regular use of BCG vaccines to ward off tuberculosis.


bcg was given to everyone in the UK in secondary school until 2005 - dont know what this means for your theory

#360

tears posted:

dont know what this means for your theory


"The UK introduced universal BCG immunization in 1953, and until July 2005, the UK policy was to immunize all school children between 10 and 14 years of age, and all neonates born into high-risk groups."

so, that means that people up to 81 years old would have had it.. presumably we would expect lower rates in uk also?