#41

MarxUltor posted:

Venezuela’s dollar bonds, which have gained 25 percent on average this year, rallied further on Wednesday as the opposition increased pressure on Maduro. While most of Venezuela’s bonds are in default, investors believe regime change could usher in plans to fix the economy and restructure the debt.



nice little windfall for the government, thanks investor class

#42
One cool thing about being a member of the amerikkkan ruling class is that terms like "democracy" and "rule of law" can mean whatever you want them to
#43
there's this whole "white westerner mansplaining" stuff going around on a cross-section of anarchist/parisian art school student 'leftist' twitter being used to basically shut down people who are against the literal White Westerner AmeriKKKan-backed coup attempt by Guaido's national assembly, implying that the left opposition (the PCV and some violent elements) to maduro is somehow pro yankee imperialism.

im wondering if its just astroturf or supremely dumbass politics.

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#44


the same person runs the marco rubio and bana alabed twitter accounts
#45
hello this is 7 year old banita alvarez the brutal maduro regime is building socialist houses and medical programs. i beg you mister trump please send lockheed martin joint tactical strike missile
#46

swampman posted:

Imperialist aggression escalates



nyt calls this a “strange accusation”

All manner of Russian officials weighed in, with some accusations more unusual than others. Vyacheslav Volodin, speaker of the Russian Parliament, suggested that under pressure from Washington, some social media companies had removed the “verified” designation from Mr. Maduro’s accounts confirming his identity.

#47

elias posted:

swampman posted:

Imperialist aggression escalates

nyt calls this a “strange accusation”

All manner of Russian officials weighed in, with some accusations more unusual than others. Vyacheslav Volodin, speaker of the Russian Parliament, suggested that under pressure from Washington, some social media companies had removed the “verified” designation from Mr. Maduro’s accounts confirming his identity.



bellingcat analysis (with the aid of a grant from the national reconnaissance office): the nyt called the accusation "unusual," not "strange."


#48
whats to say that this is the actions of the US and maduro hasn't simple smuggled his check mark into colombia where it will reappear in the hands of the ELN?
#49
The Economist Intelligence Unit openly planning out regime change ops is vry normal and good

#50
on the one hand yes we have tried and failed to do this only recently, on the other hand perhaps the moderate contras we thought were in syria were hiding in venezuela all along
#51
For those ignorant few who might not be aware: there's an ultra-misogynist fetish called "bimbofication" which revolves around once-normal women willingly becoming sex addicts and sex objects, typically due to hypnotism, futuristic technology or magic. There's a sub genre of this that is barely even concerned with sex. Just a series of shopping trips to pick up revealing clothing and plastic surgery. The women's transformations are not just weird, outrageous and demeaning, but also hilariously impossible and cartoonish. So the fantasies read like a kind of whitepaper or proof-of-concept: "theoretically, if I gave a little prod, my wife could actually do this to herself within a few months. I know it strains credulity but the math is right here," Anyway that's what I feel like is going on here with US politicians talking about Venezuela.
#52
maduro has proclaimed himself interim president of the usa and is currently en route to washington, safely hidden inside one of kim jong un's bales of marijuana
#53
im getting word that 69 countries have formally recognised maduro as president of the usa
#54
the entire college of cardinals recognises president assad as queen of england, the declaration was signed at 4:20 today, at ground zero
#55
These are the riffs I missed <3
#56

«Volonté populaire représente les classes moyennes et aisées, qui ont toujours été au cœur de l’opposition, tout en affirmant une volonté sociale, explique Jean-Jacques Kourliandsky, chercheur à l’IRIS et responsable de l’observatoire de l’Amérique latine à la Fondation Jean-Jaurès. Mais comme tous les partis d’opposition, le cœur de son programme est le changement de régime.»



"Voluntad Popular represents the middle and upper classes, who have always been at the heart of the opposition, all while affirming a social will" explains Jean-Jacques Kourliandsky, a researcher at l'IRIS and responsible for the Latin American observatory at the Jean-Jaurès foundation. "But like all the opposition parties, the heart of its program is regime change."



Kourliandsky again in the same piece:

«En décembre, un sondage a montré que 80% des personnes interrogées étaient opposées à Maduro, mais 25% seulement faisaient confiance à l’opposition.»



"In December, a poll showed that 80% of people asked were opposed to Maduro, while only 25% had confidence in the opposition."



That's all from a bourgeois article very biased against the Bolivarian revolution, but those two facts are really all you need to draw conclusions about the coup that's ongoing. Yes, there's anger with the Maduro government, but no, there's not support for the contras. Yes, the opposition does not represent the popular classes of Venezuela: full stop. Voluntad Popular is not a scrappy pro-people party.

I know that comes as no surprise to anyone here, but I think it's important when discussing this with propagandized people to emphasize these facts. And I'm never really "shocked" by how out in the open this information is in the bourgeois press if people just read with a slightly critical eye, but it does frustrate me. Particularly among the anarchist cracker crowd who insist that I acknowledge their lived experience as a Caracas trust funder "in-exile" at the London School of Economics for a few semesters.

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#57

serafiym posted:

there's this whole "white westerner mansplaining" stuff going around on a cross-section of anarchist/parisian art school student 'leftist' twitter being used to basically shut down people who are against the literal White Westerner AmeriKKKan-backed coup attempt by Guaido's national assembly, implying that the left opposition (the PCV and some violent elements) to maduro is somehow pro yankee imperialism.

im wondering if its just astroturf or supremely dumbass politics.



true story, i was at a poetry event in paris this summer and before this kid read his crappy poem he asked that we take a moment to acknowledge the migration of Venezuelans, "the largest in the world, larger even than the African invasion right now into Europe," and "in this case, these aren't criminals coming in, but good people fleeing trouble, whatever your politics are."

everyone save me performatively applauded, this coming not long after some overwrought declaration that "you know, clinton was no good either, no matter how bad trump is," which also got performative applause. i think these two incidents capture the radlib performative political tendencies of soi disant artistic communities better than anything.

this guy from africa (ghana) confronted the kid afterward about the "invader" comments and the kid did his whole very nervous spiel about how "we're really not on different" sides

in fact, there's a not insignificant rich expatriate venezuelan community in paris, though now I'm sure they all call themselves "exiles." i met quite a few of them and it was always tense as they described the horrific conditions they were forced to live in, banished to suites on avenue foch or a studio in montmarte because of the evil machinations of maduro

in some limited abstract sense, the coup in venezuela is a useful political litmus test unlike any other in recent years; and believe me when i say plenty of people are failing

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#58
they survived the last coup and the people of venezuela will survive this one because imperialism and his intrigues are paper tigers
#59
it still feels shitty that the american left's response has been so weak. marxism demands optimism but it's hard when it comes to us.
#60
marxism demands optimism, yes, but venezuela does not require the american left.

eric draister from counterpunch posted something on his facebook that i like:

Lots of people sounding the alarm about Venezuela. That is important.

But let me also add one thing that many might not realize. Part of the Bolivarian process was to empower the communes and other local organizations in a variety of ways. One of those means of empowerment is armed self-defense. There are quite literally hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans whose material gains over the last 20+ years will be defended by force of arms if necessary. This is not hyperbole but simple fact.

Does this mean that they will all rise up as one to defend Maduro personally? Not necessarily. But it does mean that if the US and its right wing proxies think they can simply steamroll the Chavistas unopposed, they're in for a rude awakening.

I remember Anacoana, an amazing indigenous woman who was a leader at a commune I visited. She conveyed to our group what the Revolution meant to her, a leader who as a little girl was living on the streets, with almost no spanish language skills, with no prospects for a future. And she was picked up by Chavistas very close to Chavez himself and given a home, a family, and life. This woman, and thousands like her, are not simply going to lie down and watch everything taken from them.

I will quote the final paragraphs of a piece I wrote while reporting from the Dec. 2015 elections in Venezuela:
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Anacoana, a young woman and leader I met at the Comúna El Panal 2021 in Caracas, stated it about as poetically as one can. On the eve of the election, I asked her, “What will happen to the commune movement and to the Revolution if the election goes against the Chavista government, and the right wing returns to power? Will the commune movement come to an end?” Her answer was stunning, and I will quote it verbatim:

“NO!!! We will not go back (No volverán). ‘We will not go back’ is not just a slogan…No volverán is not a phrase for a t-shirt. It’s a principle. It’s OUR principle."



And then a picture of this woman:

I also like this comment someone left under the post:

The militias are more than hundreds of thousands. They now amount to a million six hundred thousand. It is a force to be reckoned with.



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#61
the 20th century when 1/3 of the world had defeated their class parasites in war, and world colonialism was put on its heels, demonstrates capitalism lives on the revolutionary edge comrade! in our time we'll finish the job
#62
That's true but as someone living in america and surrounded by americans I'm bound to feel more responsible towards their response than that of others. Perhaps it's a more pointless exercise than I assume.
#63
The whole coup plan seems a bit half-assed and that suggests to me that they are just trying to fuck around and see what happens. Like create a legal pretext for future action and see if something shakes loose they can use. Canada seems to be pushing this strategy really hard, probably because of our insane quest to isolate Russia. I think Brazil / Colombia and some Trump guys are just excited about rolling back the whole region as far as they can get away with. Which I would guess means that Evo Morales better look out next. The opposition there already disputes the legitimacy of Evo running again and I assume the USA will send a bunch of money and operatives again and do a big push (election is in October).
#64

getfiscal posted:

The whole coup plan seems a bit half-assed and that suggests to me that they are just trying to fuck around and see what happens. Like create a legal pretext for future action and see if something shakes loose they can use. Canada seems to be pushing this strategy really hard, probably because of our insane quest to isolate Russia. I think Brazil / Colombia and some Trump guys are just excited about rolling back the whole region as far as they can get away with. Which I would guess means that Evo Morales better look out next. The opposition there already disputes the legitimacy of Evo running again and I assume the USA will send a bunch of money and operatives again and do a big push (election is in October).


the profile of Guaido in bloomberg, which one would presume to be as favorable as possible because they'd obviously support this and any other coup, basically said he got into politics because Chavez cancelled his favorite TV shows and became head of the powerless national assembly because everyone else was arrested or quit and ran off to Miami and he was still there for some reason.

perfect to be taken in by a state department goon saying yeah sure, do whatever, you'll have our "full support," but also apparently the kind of guy to declare a coup first and then ask the military to support him

maybe the other state department guy whos supposed to vet these before the president starts a war was laid off in the government shutdown?

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#65
so what s with the assembly drama
#66
getting my peeps in the diaspora community to smash that button marked "the next hitler" then cover their asses with "ofc the US probably shouldn't intervene" to hit all the metrics, with the "you're all fucking racists" tweet thread ready 2 go if anyone suggests the US perhaps shouldn't napalm caracas
#67
the opposition parties won an absolute majority in the national assembly in 2015 but their majority was only secured by them seating several reps whose elections were voided due to fraud despite being warned not to do so by the supreme court. as result the supreme court held the national assembly in contempt and stripped some of their legislative powers. maduro then called for a national constituent assembly which has the power to change the constitution. opposition parties largely boycotted elections for the constituent assembly, which eventually assumed the legislative powers of the old national assembly
#68
gracias for the answer

ialdabaoth posted:

the opposition parties won an absolute majority in the national assembly in 2015 but their majority was only secured by them seating several reps whose elections were voided due to fraud



i dont get this part. did the opposition commit electoral fraud or something?

#69

ialdabaoth posted:

the opposition parties won an absolute majority in the national assembly in 2015 but their majority was only secured by them seating several reps whose elections were voided due to fraud despite being warned not to do so by the supreme court. as result the supreme court held the national assembly in contempt and stripped some of their legislative powers. maduro then called for a national constituent assembly which has the power to change the constitution. opposition parties largely boycotted elections for the constituent assembly, which eventually assumed the legislative powers of the old national assembly



do you have some sources or studies i can throw at people

#70
that was primarily off the top of my head and iirc. i can round up some additional info and sources but itll take me a bit, just got off work nned to sleep
#71

The regime is holding on with the help of secret police imported from Cuba,



backed up by the remenants of gadaffi's "amazonian guard" and an allied dark eldar wych cult who even now are preparing to emerge from the webway right inside the oval office

#72
maduro is giving laxatives to his thugs so they would use up all the toilet paper in the country
#73
Overview of US Left positions on Venezuela

Workers World Party - U.S. hands off Venezuela!

Spoiler!



Freedom Road Socialist Organization - FRSO Condemns U.S. Intervention in Venezuela

Spoiler!



Party for Socialism and Liberation - Venezuela on a knife’s edge: oppose the U.S.-backed coup

Spoiler!



Democratic Socialists of America International Committee - Stop Dangerous and Counterproductive US Intervention in Venezuela

Spoiler!



International Socialist Organization - The Venezuelan People Must Decide, Not Trump

Spoiler!



Socialist Alternative - For Mass Mobilization of Workers to Build Real Socialism and Put an End to Corrupt Bureaucracy!

Spoiler!

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#74
funny how stage managed this whole thing is
#75
wtf, just seen this shoucking image from venezuela, sick

Spoiler!

#76
politicalroadmap.cx
#77

JohnBeige posted:

Socialist Alternative - For Mass Mobilization of Workers to Build Real Socialism and Put an End to Corrupt Bureaucracy!


Gotta hand it to those backstabbing trots, they got a real knack for zippy slogans

#78
Socialist Alternative - Democratic Political Power of Socialist Workers Mobilizing Together in Harmony Against All Other So Called Socialists also Known as Corrupt State Capitalist Bureaucrats Grows Progressively out of the Rifled Barrel of a Modern Firearm Colloquially Known to those who Speak the English Language as a Gun.
#79
critically defend the degenerate workers state of venezuela from maduroist stalinism
#80
the big white house just put elliot "iran-contra" abrams in charge of returning democracy to venezuela

classic amerikkka, nothing new under the sun