#361
The National Endowment for Democracy regime change ops in Latin America per the NED's 2017 and most recently released national report to follow this post. Thank you.
#362

#363
The National Endowment for Democracy regime change ops in Latin America per the NED's 2017 and most recently released national report preceded this post. Thank you.
#364
YOU'RE breathtaking.
#365

lo posted:

surely you can't just have a bit of a guy reincarnate in one person and bit more over in someone else.. souls aren't a baking ingredient

actually souls are like mandarines and this does happen.

#366
U.N. Refugee Agency was paying for hotels in Colombia to house Venezuelan soldiers who flipped to Guaido's side, but Guaido's crews were bilking the agency by fradulently reporting how many soldiers were being housed. https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14545

#367
That's a lot better grift than the one I thought was happening... free enterprise really does innovate like nothing else
#368
it seems like this roasting of jorge ramos by maduro wasn't posted here, so

note for ignorant anglophones like me, jorge ramos is i guess spanish-language anderson cooper. he lives in miami and sucks.
#369
There's an interview with the turncoat Figuera in the Washington Post. It's not particularly interesting but one amusing anecdote is how the coup plotters used superhero code names like "Black Panther" and "Superman." I had an image come to mind of Guaido yelling on the phone as the plan went south: "Aquaman??? Aquaman where are you!?"

#370
Also thinking of how they decided who got to be what. A Miami businessman who was also involved was Superman (of course). Also:

I think he should use the byline "Child Eater" from now on in place of his usual name as he has written for the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, World Affairs Journal and the Huffington Post, among others. Like an op-ed in the NYT: "Prevention of Cuba's Drilling Best Serves U.S. Interests" by the Child Eater.

There's one more superhero anecdote a few days before the coup where Figuera meets supreme court justice Maikel Moreno and Vladimir Padrino, the defense minister, at the latter's house -- both of whom Figuera and the other plotters thought were in on the plan but... were not. "But Padrino was watching 'Avengers: Endgame,' Figuera said, and 'didn't want to talk.'" The pair also had a short conversation with Figuera but "kept looking at each other nervously." Yes, anyways Figuera, like we were saying you'll be the Black Panther and Padrino over here will be Thor, and ahh, I'll be Iron Man anyways it'll all work out and Maduro won't know what hit 'em.
#371
#372
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-12/who-can-pay-venezuela-s-debts

Venezuela, and its state-owned oil company Petróleos de Venezuela SA, have stopped making payments on a lot of their debts. Many of these debts are in the form of bonds governed by New York law, and so bondholders have sued Venezuela in U.S. courts asking for their money back. This is not, in sovereign debt cases, a foolproof approach: The court can tell Venezuela to give them their money back, but it can’t make Venezuela do it; Venezuela is its own country and doesn’t have to listen to U.S. courts. Still it might be good for bondholders, or at least bad for Venezuela, if the bondholders sue and get U.S. court judgments against Venezuela and PdVSA. Venezuela and PdVSA get a lot of their money by exporting oil abroad, and they own lots of assets in the U.S. in the form of PdVSA’s refining subsidiary Citgo Petroleum Corp.; defaulted bondholders might be able to find ways to seize some of that oil or those Citgo assets to pay off their claims.

So Venezuela would like to defeat those lawsuits. It is not particularly easy to do that, given that Venezuela really hasn’t paid the money; on the facts, this is a pretty straightforward case of default. But there is one weird complication, which is: Who is “Venezuela,” anyway? Actual power in Venezuela seems to mostly be in the hand of President Nicolás Maduro’s government, but Maduro is isolated internationally and not recognized by the U.S. Call this government Venezuela-1. Meanwhile the dissident interim government of Juan Guaidó has international recognition but very little in the way of effective control of the Venezuelan state. Call it Venezuela-2.

One basic procedural form of this question is, when someone sues Venezuela in a New York federal court, who shows up on the other side? Who represents Venezuela? The probable rough answer is that it is the government of Venezuela as determined by U.S. law (not Venezuelan law), which means effectively the government recognized by the U.S. State Department, which means Venezuela-2, Guaidó’s interim government.

But this raises a second, substantive question, which is: What is the point of suing Venezuela and getting a judgment against the interim government, when the interim government doesn’t control Venezuela’s oil or money or productive capacity or lawmaking apparatus or anything else? In theory, the idea in a case like this is you sue Venezuela and the court tells Venezula to pay and then Venezuela nods and accepts the order and pays you. It doesn’t necessarily work like that in practice—Venezuela can disobey the court—but that’s the idea. But here, you sue Venezuela and the court tells Venezuela-2 (Guaidó) to pay you and then Venezuela-1 (Maduro), the one with the capacity to pay you, just ignores the whole thing because they weren’t involved. It’s just weird.

Guaidó’s lawyers are trying to take advantage of this oddity. Here are sovereign-debt experts Mark Weidemaier and Mitu Gulati:

Court papers defending against the two latest creditor lawsuits reveal an intriguing and innovative strategy. ... In filings made a couple of weeks ago (June 21, 2019), the lawyers for Venezuela (Arnold & Porter) raised three doctrines that one rarely sees in modern sovereign debt litigation for the simple reason that these ordinarily have little chance of success: impossibility, necessity and comity. …

The doctrine of impossibility (or impracticability) excuses a party’s non-performance of its contract obligations when some event outside of that party’s control, and not foreseen at the time of the contract, makes it difficult or impossible to perform, unless the non-performing party assumed the risk of such events. For instance, a blight might excuse a farmer’s obligation to deliver grain (unless the contract assigned this risk to the farmer).

Borrowers who cannot repay loans almost never succeed in arguing impossibility. The reason is that the law typically assigns the risk of non-payment to the borrower, no matter the reason for the borrower’s inability to pay. ... Is Venezuela also an exception?

Perhaps. As we understand the Guaido team’s argument, it is that the government should at least temporarily be excused from paying because its responsible officials—as conclusively recognized by the U.S. government—are in exile and are unable to control the government or its resources. The argument is clever. Arguably, the current situation has resulted from events that were unforeseeable and that resulted from foreign policy decisions made by the Trump administration that were not caused by the (rightful) Venezuelan government. And the argument has a certain equitable appeal. Why not give the government a break until its rightful leaders, as determined by the U.S. government, are in control?

The argument is not that Venezuela can’t pay its debts, which is very true (it is out of money and in a humanitarian crisis, and no one thinks it will ultimately pay its debts in full) but not much of a legal defense. The argument is that Venezuela-2 can’t pay its debts, because Venezuela happens to be controlled by Venezuela-1. And Venezuela-2 is the one defending the lawsuits. Effectively the argument is: For reasons beyond our control, we have temporarily misplaced our country, so you can’t sue us to pay back your bonds until we get it back.

That seems like kind of a hard argument to win, but you don’t necessarily have to win: Just slowing down the lawsuits to argue over this point has some benefits to Guaidó’s interim government. And as Weidemaier and Gulati point out, the argument did have that effect; the U.S. judge gave the parties more time to argue about this, effectively pushing any decision back “until mid-April 2020, or perhaps even longer.” By then I suppose there is some hope that Venezuela-1 and Venezuela-2 will have merged (by Guaidó taking power, or by the U.S. recognizing Maduro, or by some compromise or other result) and it will all be a bit more orderly.

This is only the half of it, by the way! I was oversimplifying when I said that Maduro’s government controls Venezuela’s oil and money and productive capacity. In fact, some of Venezuela’s money is held abroad, and, as the internationally recognized government, Guaidó’s interim government might be able to gain control that money. And a relevant part of Venezuela’s economy actually exists in the U.S.: It is Citgo, which has declared its independence from Maduro and effectively answers to Guaidó. Technically Citgo is a subsidiary of PdVSA, the state oil company, and it answers to PdVSA. But it answers to PdVSA-2, a PdVSA-in-exile whose board is appointed by Guaidó, not PdVSA-1, the PdVSA-in-situ that actually controls Venezuela’s oil and answers to Maduro.

And in fact PdVSA-2, Guaidó’s PdVSA, the one that doesn’t control PdVSA’s oil and operations but that does control Citgo, has made a payment to bondholders. Here, from mid-May:

Venezuela’s ad-hoc board of directors for state oil company PDVSA, appointed by opposition leader Juan Guaido, said on Thursday it has made an interest payment on its bond maturing in 2020, delaying uncertainty over its crown jewel U.S. asset.

The PDVSA bond is backed by shares in U.S. refiner Citgo and failure to make the $71 million interest payment would have allowed bondholders to seize the shares as compensation. …. President Nicolas Maduro’s government had remained current on the 2020 bond even as it fell behind on more than$10 billion in interest and principal payments on other bonds issued by PDVSA and the government.

But efforts by any Maduro-linked entity to pay would have been complicated by sanctions imposed by the United States on PDVSA in January as part of a bid to pressure Maduro to step down. … PDVSA’s ad-hoc board has said it will use uncollected oil revenue from PDVSA to make the bond payment but has not provided further specifics about the source of the funds.

The bondholders who are suing argue that this is a reason to reject the impossibility defense: “Venezuela’s impossibility defense is refuted by the fact that the Guaidó government made a \$71 million interest payment to other bondholders less than a month ago,” they write. If Venezuela-2 controls Venezuela’s money, then maybe it should pay the bonds, or at least be declared in default.

Away from these philosophical issues about who is in charge, the interim government and a committee of bondholders have both released proposals for how to restructure Venezuela’s debts. (Here are Weidemaier and Gulati on the government’s proposal, and Ricardo Hausmann et al. on “How to Address Venezuela’s Crushing Debt Burden.”) These proposals are pretty general at this point, and I suppose there is not much sense in the two sides sitting down to iron out the details, since the interim government doesn’t control Venezuela and there’s no guarantee that whatever they agree to can actually happen. But an important plank of the interim government’s proposal is that it would give equal treatment to creditors who have and have not gotten U.S. court judgments against Venezuela; the point is to deter creditors from seeking judgments:

“We cannot allow special treatment because if we do, we are creating an incentive for litigation,” José Ignacio Hernandez, Mr Guaidó’s attorney-general, said. “The message is, ‘please don’t sue Venezuela, because it will be a waste of money’.”

The message here, as in the lawsuits, is basically that you have to wait to figure out who runs Venezuela before you can get your money back from Venezuela. Which seems reasonable enough, though it is hard to know how long it might take.

seems some imperialists are overeager and don't actually want to wait to take over Venezuela before they start looting it, even if it means cutting the legs out from under Guaido

#373

filler posted:

Call it Venezuela-2.

#374
*bloomberg vulture voice* imagine two venezuelas on the edge of a fiscal cliff
#375
Crisis On Infinite Venezuelas
#376
Back-up war criminal/spook U.S. presidential candidate Seth Moulton, one of those box-headed dweebs who has been running for president since high school, and who got a huge sketchy donation as a Massachusetts Democrat from a right-wing Republican PAC he was forced to return, made a lot of his worldwide mob connections through the World “Economic” Forum’s Young Global Leaders, a gang co-founded by head Wikipedia propagandist Jimmy Wales, so you can probably envision how unintentionally funny Moulton’s Wikipedia page is now that it’s campaign season.

Anyway, I was stoked to hear this Iraqi-slaughtering “progressive” U.S. Marine was in the Young Global Leaders, because the leading light of that group’s Class of 2019 is a feisty little toddler named Juan Guaido.
#377
Our good pal guyovitch posted this about how the US is funnelling aid money to guiado's salary
#378
United States is attacking Venezuela's power grid and accusing it of being Iranian around a ship or whatever so they can try this again.
#379
Maduro met with the people who kept the snakes out of Venezuela’s embassy in the U.S. for weeks, and he gave them a big sword for the epic win.
#380
Dastardly Drumpf turned the sanctions into an embargo and froze Venezuelan assets, but on the plus side liberals are too mad (justifiably!) about the double-dip mass shootings to indulge their anti-brown people hatred rn
#381
#382

Populares posted:

shot themselves in the foot there making the bolivarian super soldiers extra masc

#383
Jokes aside, the mission of the United States government is not only to steal Venezuela's oil but also to turn the country into a whorehouse for pedophiles.
#384
Always nice to be reminded we live under the rule of a pedophile plutocracy.
#385

western media trying to spin this as the desperate negotiations of a tyrant clinging to power, reporting the same facts (two governments talking to each other) but adding baseless speculation (oh he must be ready to quit now!)
#386
Trump’s admin seems full of people whose entire diplomatic strategy is “Can I speak to your manager”
#387

rumour circulating that gusano is going to fucking jail
#388
The Economist frantically working on next week's edition titled Hollow Venezuela
#389
#390
And horrors upon horrors i tell you now the creature known only in human speech as John Bolton submerged himself horrendously in the black spectral ichor from whence he had come.
#391
#392
*looks at a room filled with anguished fired people* nah i'll be fine, sign me up
#393
they just dropped a fucking SWAT team on Max Blumenthal on a bogus assault charge from when he was delivering food to the Venezuelan Embassy during the siege

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/28/this-charge-is-one-hundred-percent-false-grayzone-editor-max-blumenthal-arrested-months-after-reporting-on-venezuelan-opposition-violence/
#394

Horselord posted:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/3026156/venezuelan-prosecutors-charge-opposition-leader-juan-guaidorumour circulating that gusano is going to fucking jail

#395

shriekingviolet posted:

they just dropped a fucking SWAT team on Max Blumenthal on a bogus assault charge from when he was delivering food to the Venezuelan Embassy during the siege

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/28/this-charge-is-one-hundred-percent-false-grayzone-editor-max-blumenthal-arrested-months-after-reporting-on-venezuelan-opposition-violence/

his commitment to the psyop is deep...

#396
#397

damoj posted:

lollllllllll

#398

littlegreenpills posted:

Horselord posted:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/3026156/venezuelan-prosecutors-charge-opposition-leader-juan-guaidorumour circulating that gusano is going to fucking jail

Fred Armisen's mother was a rich Venezuelan emigrant and his father worked for IBM in Germany, which is fitting because his dad's dad was a Korean who spied for Japan while living in Nazi Germany, and who told his German wife he was Japanese. How surprising that he would go on to do hit job send-ups of left-wing Venezuela. https://www.avclub.com/fred-armisen-is-the-grandson-of-a-dancer-turned-spy-and-1819282724

#399
he's also in a lot of stuff that isn't funny although i guess it's supposed to be

#400
I tried to watch one episode of "Documentary Now" and I guess it's one of those shows for liberal neurotics with sublimated problems reaching orgasm, where no joke has a laugh-out-loud punchline, and they try to make up for it with perseverating repetition and explanation of each joke until it just sort of ends.