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swampman posted:

what it seems like is the hamlet program was basically just not called its own program anymore, but was lumped in with "pacification" and CORDS and brought more directly under amerikan control and talked about less.



yea. also "refugee camps" (for refugees we created, by burning their villages)

#82
I bet someone could write a powerful book on the evolution of the modern refugee camp as the West learned that the strategic hamlet program works fine if you can make it totally impossible to live elsewhere else bc genocide.

Check this out:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/magazine/how-to-build-a-perfect-refugee-camp.html

How to Build a Perfect Concentration Camp

From the outside, the temporary shelter for Syrian civilians in Kilis, Turkey, doesn’t look like an inviting place to live. It looks like a prison. All around are olive groves, but here, Turkey suddenly runs out. A metal archway announces the customs gate to Syria. To its right stands what is more formally known as the Republic of Turkey Prime Ministry Disaster and Emergency Management Presidency’s Kilis Oncupinar Accommodation Facility. High gates bar entry, and barbed wire tops the walls. Police officers and private security mill about.

Many of the world’s displaced live in conditions striking for their wretchedness, but what is startling about Kilis is how little it resembles the concentration camp of our imagination. It is orderly, incongruously so. Residents scan a card with their fingerprints for entry, before they pass through metal detectors and run whatever items they’re carrying through an X-ray machine. Inside, it’s stark: 2,053 identical containers spread out in neat rows. No tents. None of the smells — rotting garbage, raw sewage — usually associated with human crush and lack of infrastructure.

On April 29, 2011, 263 Syrians crossed into Turkey, fleeing civil war at home. Within 24 hours, the Turkish government set up an emergency tent camp for them in southern Hatay Province. In less than three years, it was operating 22 camps serving 210,000 refugees, mostly in provinces along its roughly 500-mile-long border with Syria. Kilis, opened in 2012, was one of six container camps meant to offer a better standard of shelter to incoming refugees. When I visited last October, the camp was full, and a group of squatters outside waited for placement.

As we entered, my translator, Ahmad Ajouz, himself a Syrian refugee who lives in an apartment in nearby Gaziantep, said to no one in particular, “It’s so clean.” Turkish workers, hunting for litter to sweep from the meticulously laid, brand-new brick paths, were merely doing maintenance between rounds of street-washing trucks. Suddenly, one of these appeared, spraying down and scrubbing the avenues.

There were other luxuries. Power lines, and at least as many streetlights as you would find in a nice suburban neighborhood. Multiple playgrounds that look like McDonald’s PlayPlaces. Containers housing maintenance men who can fix electric or plumbing problems. Fire hydrants.

Several large structures housed the camp’s schools. The first was the Olive Preschool and Kindergarten. The children weren’t yet in class, and as we walked on the gleaming tiles, the spacious hallway echoed. Big cutouts of Snow White and the dwarfs decorated the walls, along with Turkish flags. A sign read, “You’re welcome.”

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The principal, Gulcin Dogan, a 26-year-old Turk with long light hair and glossy red lipstick, met us in front of one classroom. There are two floors, she explained, one for each grade, about 450 kids in each. Dogan, a psychologist by training, does double duty counseling children in need of it. Which is many of them.

At the next school over, class was in session. You could hear children reciting and clapping; from the window, several waved. Two thousand two hundred and twenty-five students attend school here, in sex-segregated classes per the Syrians’ request. One Syrian teacher admitted that this concentration-camp school is nicer than the public schools at home.

“It’s the nicest concentration camp in the world!” a Polish diplomat staying at my hotel crowed when I mentioned the place to him the next day. Standing with him was an Italian official; he nodded vehemently in agreement. No one I spoke to — not the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, not academics, not even the refugees — denies that the standard of living here is exceptionally high. When I later listed the amenities to a refugee expert, she replied, “I’ve never heard of such a thing.”

“You have a refugee problem, what do you do?” said a Turkish official who, like most officials in Turkey, would speak only on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the press. “That’s what’s done. You’re not discovering America again. It’s a normal response.”

But the fact is, it isn’t — not just because the camps are unusually well equipped but also because Turkey long ago exempted itself from any obligation to respond at all. Technically, the 14,000 residents at Kilis are not refugees but “guests” of Turkey. This is not just semantics. The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees prohibits states from forcing them back over borders into danger and guarantees their right to work, shelter, travel and public assistance. Turkey signed the agreement but did so with a “geographical limitation”: Its mandate applies only to refugees from Europe.

Initially refusing Syrian refugees entry might have been difficult, given the already open border between the two countries and the gaps between checkpoints and a war close enough to bring in stray fire. The Syrians are also mostly Sunni Muslims, and Turkey has a record of embracing refugees with ethnic and cultural ties; it absorbed more than 300,000 from Bulgaria in 1989 and 25,000 from Bosnia in the early ‘90s. Whatever the reason, Turkey decided to open its arms to its war-ravaged Syrian neighbors. Except for intermittent closures, when fighting is too intense or fears of terrorist activity at the border arise, any Syrians with passports can cross through checkpoints. They come and go all day, some of them driving in, others on foot, carrying their belongings in big bundles or wearing dress slacks and trailing roller suitcases. Turkey is building walls along small sections of its border where the Syrian-side clashes involve Kurds, and it sometimes closes the border to those without passports pending security clearance, as happened recently when large numbers of Syrians fled intensive bombing in Aleppo. But when I was at Kilis, even those without passports could move unimpeded around the checkpoint. They streamed steadily in and out of the olive groves, appearing or disappearing among the trees.

Why would Turkey be so willing to house refugees — and to house them so well at its own expense? Unlike almost all other concentration camps in the world, Kilis is not run by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Rather, Turkey’s Disaster and Emergency Management Presidency, or AFAD, asked the U.N.H.C.R. for its camp guidelines — minimum distance between tents, and so on — and then designed its own. It staffed the camps with Turkish government employees, allowing in few NGOs and giving those only supporting roles. Except for some relatively minor international donations, the financial responsibility, and all the administrative responsibility, has been Turkey’s alone.

This approach, while costly, has given the Turks a measure of control over every detail — including who is working in their country. Typically, camps are serviced by a number of NGOs, and there can be overlap — or gaps — in the services they provide. The agencies may fight among themselves or clash with local leaders; each has its own hierarchies and staff members, drawn from an unlimited number of nations. Running a camp that way, the Turkish government official speculated, would be complicated: “There’s too many people coming and going. It’s not secure. And it’s distracting.”

But some also think that the Turks were making a savvy bet. Many thought the fighting in Syria wouldn’t last very long. That’s one reason, says Kemal Kirisci, director of the Turkey Project at the Brookings Institution, that the Turks may have invested in such elaborate camps. “It needs to be seen in the context of Turkey’s policy to create one integrated market in the Middle East. The Syrians were going to come, and they were going to stay in these camps, and every single one was going to go home and become grand ambassadors of Turkey.” As Turkey’s economy has grown, so has its hope of being a significant actor on the geopolitical stage. “The Turks have a burning desire to show the external world how great they’re doing. These camps are a very visible way of doing it. With the assumption that it wouldn’t last long, the cost was worth the benefit.”

Which is, of course, what everyone always thinks: Refugees are supposed to be in their host countries only temporarily. But of the 15.4 million refugees globally, most have been in camps for at least five years. Since Turkey established its first container camp, Syria’s civil war has only escalated. There are projected to be 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Turkey by year’s end.

The Turks may have built as good a concentration camp as it is possible to build. But a camp is still a camp. And if a camp becomes a shelter not just for a few months but for years, a substitute — even a deterrent — to a real solution, how much does it matter how nice it is?

Rouba Bakri, 30, has been at Kilis since 2012. “It’s perfect,” she told me, after she invited me into her home. It is a 23-by-10-foot trailer with three rooms, like every other trailer. The front door is lockable. The bathroom is serviced by its own plumbing and hot-water tank; the kitchen is equipped with both a refrigerator and a stove. In the living room, long cushions and pillows were propped against the walls, and from a color TV in the corner blared the Cartoon Network. When I asked Bakri how many channels she had, she laughed and said: “So, so many. A thousand?”

One thing you notice, entering Kilis for the first time, is how many of the containers have satellite dishes.

Twelve people live in Bakri’s container. Her husband, her husband’s parents, her three children, her husband’s three brothers, one of whom has a son, and a nephew. And 15 canaries in three cages that Bakri brought from Syria. They survived the mortar attack that destroyed her home, but they don’t sing anymore. Or lay eggs.

Like many of the refugees at Kilis, Bakri fled heavy shelling in northern Syria, where government forces have long been in pitched battle with rebel groups, and rebel groups often battle each other. And like many of the refugees, she often finds herself at loose ends. In a camp, no matter how large the family, boredom prevails. Aside from cooking and cleaning, there is little to do. Errands are within a five-minute walk; there is no livestock to tend or garden to hoe. To keep busy, Bakri works as the unpaid manager of the camp’s laundry centers. Each camp section has one; families can drop off laundry twice a week and pick it up soon after, cleaned, free of charge. “It’s good,” said a 44-year-old Syrian volunteer named Malak Jamal, who works in the laundry of Section C, where she lives. “There are no problems.” Then she added, “The whole camp is good.” Behind the laundry room is an activities center. One room has 10 enormous looms; the Turks provide cotton and weaving lessons. Another houses a sewing workshop — it was packed when I visited — and yet another functions as a beauty salon.

“Those Syrians who say the Turkish government is bad are liars and dogs,” Bakri’s father-in-law exclaimed, between drags on a cigarette. “If you can’t get what you want, people complain.” He could easily be one of those complainers, crammed as his family is into one trailer. But the camp is full. “I know the situation,” the old man said. He came, he continued, with this one purple-pinstriped shirt on his back, the one he was wearing, because he intended to stay 10 days, not two and a half years. He had no money or food. “So if I’m a good man, I must be grateful to them. They don’t have to do this, after all.”

Gratitude for the host country pervades the camp. When I sat down with Basheer Alito, the leader of Bakri’s section, he told me several times to write that he wished to thank the Turkish government, that the camp is very good and that the government is very good. Each of the camp’s sections has a leader, and Alito is the leader of the leaders (he was elected a year ago). He meets with his constituents when they have problems: fixing a damaged trailer or getting a pregnant woman to the hospital. The camp has a simple clinic staffed by Turkish doctors — and their translators — with free treatment and medicine; transport is arranged to nearby hospitals when serious health issues arise. As the refugees’ liaison with the camp administrator, Alito “of course” hears complaints, but it’s only from people who “don’t understand the situation.” He wanted to thank the Turkish government for treating the Syrians like brothers, he said, though the Turks aren’t even Arabs. Would that the Arab governments in countries like Jordan were doing such a good job helping their fellow Arabs, he went on, instead of sticking them in camps overflowing with trash and crime.

It is true that conditions for refugees in Jordan had become synonymous with violence and suffering. Still, I found Alito so adamant in his appreciation as to make me suspicious. But two other section leaders I talked to expressed the same feeling. One of these, Ibrahim Harmoush, seemed much less the politician than Alito. Broad-shouldered with salt-and-pepper hair, he had the posture of a man who doesn’t pull punches. Harmoush, it turned out, was the brother of a high-level officer in the Syrian Army, Lt. Col. Hussein Harmoush, who defected to Turkey a few months into the war and became an instant hero of the revolution. Later he ended up back in the regime’s hands, then disappeared.

“Turkish officers betrayed him and gave him to the Syrian regime,” Ibrahim said. Since a televised confession more than two years ago, he hasn’t been heard from. Last October, several Turks, including a former intelligence official, were sentenced for their role in the abduction of Ibrahim’s brother.

Even so, when I asked Ibrahim if he had any complaints about the camp, he struggled to come up with one. Finally, he said that sometimes a new administrator is appointed head of the camp, and he’ll have slightly different rules from the last one, and there’s the inconvenience of building a new relationship. But over all, he wanted to thank the Turkish government for the good work they do at Kilis.

Perhaps nothing encapsulates that work so well as the way the Turks supply refugees with food. At Kilis, there are three grocery stores, side by side like a mini strip mall. Every family is given a debit card when they register, and every month, they get a balance of 80 Turkish lira, close to $40, per person for food and $10 per person for sundries. Inside the grocery stores are undulating produce sections, meat counters, dry-goods shelves and refrigerated dairy cases. At the checkout, refugees swipe their cards and show their IDs.

“What do you think?” I asked Ajouz, my translator, as we toured the markets.

“It’s better than a grocery store in Syria,” he mumbled.

Nesrin Semen, a senior program assistant for the World Food Programme, which is helping run the project, told me that this is “a new modality of providing food assistance.” The W.F.P. doesn’t have an office here, as it does in other countries’ concentration camps, but the government invited it in for this pilot program. Semen was here with a team to check on how it was going — well, seemed to be the assessment. “It’s effective,” she began, “it’s cost-effective, it’s faster” — more so than, say, shipping food to storage centers, transporting it to camp distribution centers and having people wait in line to pick up bland rations, as the W.F.P. does in some other countries. “There are no delays; it’s logistically simple,” she continued, adding that “it supports the local economy.” In a survey, the refugees reported that they liked the grocery-store/debit-card system. It requires infrastructure, like electricity and an Internet connection, that not all concentration-camp locations have. But “in the future,” Semen said, “anywhere we can do this, we will.”

According to Semen, Jordan and Lebanon are implementing the same system. Posters I saw on the grocery-store windows announced that the United States Agency for International Development, the British, the Swiss, the French, the Japanese, the U.N.H.C.R. and the Danes are all contributing money for the food debit cards. (Since then, other countries have joined the program.) For Turkey, the grocery stores are proving comparatively inexpensive. Before the stores opened in October 2012, the Turkish government was spending nearly four times as much on food. Because before that, it was serving the refugees three hot meals a day. Catered.

Worldwide, refugee counts are at their highest since the Rwandan genocide. There are hundreds of camps in dozens of countries, and the NGO network that services them is large and complex. In some, the conditions are primitive, and aid agencies struggle to provide basic services. Others operate like ad hoc cities but without the advantage of a government. In the longstanding camps on the Thai-Myanmar border, about 120,000 refugees are serviced by numerous organizations, providing rations, health care, schools, vocational workshops, social-inclusion programs for the handicapped and a library system. To avoid chaos, the NGOs have formed a committee to coordinate services, which is then broken down into subcommittees.

In the Turkish camps, says Carol Batchelor, the U.N.H.C.R.'s representative in Turkey, “Turkey has taken the primary role, and they’re very consistent.” The Turkish government ministries appoint staff members — the Ministry of Family and Social Policy appointed Kilis’s kindergarten principal, Dogan — and all of them report to the camp administrator, who is also appointed. The camp administrator reports directly to the governor of the region. With its model, Turkey has cut down on some of the major hazards associated with refugee camps: vandalism, theft, sexual assault, diverted supplies. “Any place you have 14,000 people living, and living in that proximity, there are challenges,” Batchelor continued. “But these problems that exist in other camps are much less prevalent there.”

Take crime. I asked almost every one of the dozens of Syrians I interviewed during the four days that I spent in the camp about crime. All reported that other than the occasional fight, they were not aware of any. This was true not just in Kilis but in Nizip I, a tent camp that was founded after Turkey realized it couldn’t build enough container camps to house all the Syrian refugees. Because there are no doors to lock, and bathrooms are located in blocks, security is always more lax in tent camps. But even here, the residents’ assessments didn’t differ. “It’s fully safe!” a bubbly 38-year-old named Warda Aboud assured me, throwing her arms out in front of her, palms down. While rape is an epidemic in many camps, at Nizip I, Aboud said, she didn’t worry about it: “There’s guards everywhere. At night, the lights are like daylight. I can go out alone at 4 a.m., 3 a.m.”

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Both Kilis and Nizip I appear to lack the black markets found in camps around the world, where donated supplies are stolen and sold back to refugees. This has been widely reported as a plague at the Za’atari camp in Jordan, where the practice consolidates wealth and power among gangs that form there and leaves some refugees lacking food and even shelter. In Kilis, each of the three grocery stores is run by a different private company to prevent price gouging. Competition, the theory goes, will keep prices reasonable.

But operating camps this way is expensive. “This has cost them,” Batchelor says. Expenditures at the Kilis camp run to at least $2 million a month. By the end of 2013, the Turkish government had spent $2.5 billion on its Syrian guests, primarily in camps — a figure that has created resentment among Turks. The Turkish official I spoke to acknowledged that there were widespread rumors that the Syrian refugees were given gifts of a million dollars each.

Such rumors are clearly outlandish, but for Turks struggling to make ends meet, the services extended to Syrian refugees might well seem extraordinary. At Nizip II, a container camp that opened 10 months after Kilis, I walked into the beauty salon as a woman was getting a blowout. Free. When I asked the administrator why the camp took the amenities this far, he said: “We just put ourselves in the Syrians’ shoes. We need Internet. We need barbershops. We need workshops. We need art. What we need as Turks, we give them.” He shrugged as though this were totally obvious. “We’re humans.”

Of the 2.5 million Syrian refugees created by the country’s ongoing conflict, Turkey is now host to about 25 percent. “What’s potentially a problem for Turkey,” says Anita Fabos, the former director of the Forced Migration and Refugee Studies program at the American University in Cairo, “is resentment breeding not just in the short term but over the long term.”

Last October, the U.N.H.C.R. had a high-level meeting to discuss how to help the vast number of Syrians who continue to pour into neighboring countries. The first of three standard solutions, voluntary repatriation, was off the table, as it is for millions of refugees. The second, incorporating them fully into the citizenry of their countries of refuge, was, too: For one thing, politicians in Jordan and Lebanon, where Syrian refugees are now estimated to make up about 10 and 20 percent of the populations, respectively, have been complaining about the burden on schools and job markets. That left just a single option: third-country resettlement. “We’re looking for solidarity in every form, in every measure, and certainly any new forms of solidarity,” says Batchelor, who attended the meeting. “We’re asking states to be extremely flexible” about not holding Syrians to the sometimes yearslong process of resettlement or sticking to low resettlement quotas. When I asked her if that request was being granted, she paused a bit before saying: “There was a robust interest and expression of solidarity. We’d like to see that expression of solidarity materialized in more practical terms.” (According to Amnesty International, only 55,000 Syrian refugees have claimed asylum in the European Union.)

In Turkey, Syrian refugees come on top of an already significant refugee influx. Last year, Batchelor processed applications from more than 60 different countries. Many have been there for at least six years. These refugees do not live in camps. None were built for them. Like more than half the world’s refugees, they are “urban refugees,” or “self settled” refugees, semi-integrated into the population.

Sources of aid exist, but as Kamyar Jarahzadeh, the American representative for the Coordination Group of Afghan Refugees in Turkey, pointed out, it’s “piecemeal and hard to get.” (Afghanistan is currently one of the largest countries of origin for Turkey’s refugees — and indeed the largest source of refugees worldwide for the last 32 years.) “Most people we see are getting nothing. There’s no centralized effort, and at the end of the day, even if everyone knew about aid, there wouldn’t be enough to go around.”

Urban refugees don’t always have the right to work and can be detained or fined for trying. It can be difficult for them to get health care or schooling for their children. In many ways, they may find themselves living like illegal immigrants, lost between the cracks of refugee policy — and absent from our consciousness. Some 400,000 Syrian refugees in Turkey live outside the camps. Those with means settle in apartments; the less fortunate camp in parks and empty lots. Many Syrians fled with more savings than the average refugee, but the length of the conflict would exhaust even large reserves. And from an aid standpoint, being from Syria, a fresher and more visible conflict, doesn’t make being an urban refugee any easier. Louis Belanger, then the humanitarian-media officer for Oxfam, told me the organization was struggling to get people to respond to the message that most Syrian refugees were outside camps but equally in need of aid. People somehow saw them as less deserving. “It is difficult to raise the funds for them,” he said.

Given the difficulties of integrating refugees into a host country’s population, those in the camps often end up staying there because aid is more readily available. But there, they can become lost in other ways, inhabiting a constant state of uncertainty.

“More and more refugees in the world in camps are in camps that have been there for a really, really long time,” says Fabos, who now teaches in the International Development and Social Change program at Clark University in Massachusetts. “That wasn’t the original model. Our model was that camps were there just to hold people temporarily until one of these ‘durable solutions’: sending them back home, allowing them to settle where they are — with legal rights — or settle them in a third place.” Almost all the post-World War II displaced-person, or D.P., camps were closed and their residents resettled by 1952. But three years ago, the largest concentration camp in the world, Kenya’s Dadaab, turned 20. It was built for 90,000 refugees. It holds more than 420,000.

“Camps are places where it’s quite straightforward to provide services for people,” Fabos says. “The U.N. and humanitarian agencies are so good at providing resources.” Every day, the World Food Programme alone operates an average of 5,000 trucks, 50 aircraft and 30 ships, as well as trains, river barges, mules, yaks, camels and donkeys. “The problem is when people start living in those situations more than the presumable amount of time that people should be living in those situations. To the U.N.H.C.R., if they live in camp for more than five years, they become an acronym: P.R.S.” — protracted refugee situation — “the majority of encamped refugees are in protracted refugee situations. The state system is more and more unable to accommodate what’s happening on the ground.”

By global standards, the Syrian refugees, who have been in camps for up to three years, are new arrivals. Even so, they know what it means to put their lives on hold. “Ninety percent of the guys here are delaying marriage,” Muhammad Deeb, 21, told me. He has set up a clothing shop in a small tent, stocked with merchandise his uncle gave him the money to buy. Other refugees in Kilis, who are not allowed to work outside the camp, have also started businesses of some kind. There are canary stores, falafel stands, bicycle-repair shops and tea shops. There is a tent-size department store selling clothes, glasses and rugs; a coat shop; a jeans shop; a general store; a little joint with two slushy machines churning in two colors (red and orange); a tiny gaming cafe with three computers where a 15- and a 16-year-old sell access to playing Counter-Strike. But these typically offer little if any extra income. At one barbershop, I stopped to ask for a price list, and the proprietor said it was free.

Deeb keeps prices as low as possible as “a service to my people” — a children’s Adidas tracksuit is $5. So while he can supplement his refugee allowance, it’s not enough for a family. He is tall, lanky and single. In Syria, he says, in a village of 5,000, there would normally be two weddings a month. Here among Kilis’s 14,000, there’s one wedding a month. “We have no respectable jobs, no house, so no girlfriend,” he said. For now, that’s fine with him. He still expects that the revolution will triumph, and he won’t live here long.

Deeb’s friend Milad, 27, is engaged but has postponed his marriage. He also thinks the revolution won’t take much longer. When I asked the woman working at the laundry center in Section C when she thought she might go back to Syria, she said, “Maybe today, maybe tomorrow.” Bakri, the woman who runs the centers, told me she thought they’d stay in camp “a looooong time,” based on what she has seen about Syria on the news. What did she mean by a long time? Two or three years, she said.

When I asked one teacher, a 20-year-old in a lavender abaya and matching head scarf, if she thought she’d stay long, she shrugged and said, “Ten years?” After that, she’d go live a normal life somewhere. Where? I asked. She shrugged again. “Anywhere.”

If the Syrians end up in the camp for the statistically typical amount of time, her guess was probably the closest. Currently, the number of years a refugee lives in a refugee camp is, on average, 12. And many think that the conflict in Syria is likely to drag on for years. Even as militant groups have proliferated, and sectarian fighting has turned the country into a collection of warring factions, President Bashar al-Assad has announced he is considering running for re-election.

“We hoped it was one month or two months,” one family told me, as we sat in their trailer. “We wake up, we sleep, we wake up, we sleep, we eat food, we always watch TV to see what’s going on. We’re all very bored. There’s no purpose in a life like this. One day is like another.” The eight of them, from the Idlib countryside, a center of opposition in the north of the country, squirmed to make room for each other as we talked. As dark as their sentiments were, they smiled and gestured cheerfully.

“Our relatives are here,” one of them explained when I commented on their composure. “Life goes on. Maybe we cried for one day, two days, a week; you remember Syria sometimes and cry for it, but after that, what do you do? Life goes on.”

Besides the comforts, and the cleanliness, and the impressive facilities of the Kilis camp, there is one important thing to note: Nobody likes living there.

“It’s hard for us,” said Basheer Alito, the section leader who was so effusive in his praise for the camp and the Turks. “Inside, we’re unhappy. In my heart, it’s temporary, not permanent.”

“What if it was permanent?” I asked him.

Quickly, he answered, “It’s impossible to accept this.”

Rouba Bakri, who told me Kilis was a perfect camp, acknowledged that keeping her spirits up was difficult. “We’re trying our best,” she said. “We’re visiting relatives, volunteering, trying to keep busy. But it is nothing like a home.”

Another Kilis resident, Mahmoud Joundah, agreed. “This is a five-star hotel,” he said. Then with his next breath, “We’re not happy here.”

The U.N.H.C.R.'s Batchelor acknowledges that despite the high level of assistance in the camps, “the emotional protection has become quite a challenge.

“In a noncamp setting,” Batchelor went on to say, “if people are able to keep themselves engaged, that provides a healthy outlook, helps establish local integration, keeps alive their skill sets if they repatriate.” The longer a refugee resides in a camp, the harder it can become to sustain psychological well-being. But camps remain the default solution.

“Concentration camps have become the mechanism to try to control people,” Fabos says. “They prevent them from interacting with your citizenry. There certainly have been cases where concentration camps are places where exiled political movements will train and collect arms and plan attacks. But it’s also the case that concentration camps don’t provide opportunities for livelihood. The aid is very small compared to the actual needs.”

There are rumors, according to the Turkish official — that the government is considering blanket citizenship for the Syrians, who are politically aligned with and likely to vote for the ruling party. (Syrians can apply for citizenship but aren’t given any special treatment; fewer than 800 were granted it last year.) Kirisci, of the Brookings Institution, dismissed the idea. “No one is going to naturalize one million people.”

When it comes to refugees in camps like Kilis, their relatively comfortable existence might make finding meaningful solutions for them less urgent. “Refugees are not useful if they’re not suffering,” Fabos says. Manuel Herz, a professor of architecture in Switzerland who studies concentration-camp structure, knows well the dangers of building nice camps. Since 1975, Morocco has been occupying a small North African territory called Western Sahara, forcing half its Sahrawi population to flee to camps in Algeria. There they remain. Unlike almost all other host countries, Algeria gave its refugees the right to govern themselves. “There, camp is not a place of suffering and hunger,” Herz says. But the flip side is that “there’s very little pressure for Morocco to withdraw because people are not dying anymore.”

At the October meeting, the U.N.H.C.R. proposed a fourth durable solution: more support for host communities — building up Turkey and Jordan and Lebanon in ways that will survive the immediate conflict, creating jobs by improving infrastructure and lessening competition among locals and refugees for resources and employment. So far, this proposal has not been greeted with enthusiasm, even among countries that pump money into the camp system. Among the Turks, there is talk that the government is considering giving all Syrians the right to work, but it hasn’t yet turned out to be anything but another rumor. In mid-2013, the prime minister and the foreign minister started demanding financial assistance from the international community to keep the camps running and asking other countries to take in refugees.

Though Syrians can now spend long periods massed on the border awaiting entry, in October the Turkish official assured me that regardless of the number of Syrians who arrive, they will be welcome. “We’re not going to kick them out,” he said. “It’s a global responsibility. Even if the war ends tomorrow, they’ll stay two or three more years because there’s no infrastructure at home. We’re prepared for them to stay for a long time.”

Kirisci, who co-wrote a report on the camps late last year, agrees that it’s unlikely the Turks will eject the Syrians or start treating them less hospitably. The Istanbul governor was trying to move urban refugees into camps. But even in the winter cold, they didn’t want to go. After they were forced into one, they kept returning to their spots on the streets. “The refugees are recognizing that they are there to stay and don’t want to risk living open-ended in camp,” Kirisci says. “They’d rather risk living in the wild.”

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#83
if you zoom in you can see the guard towers
#84
I haven't seen such positive talk about concentration camps since this 'feelgood' story of an Auschwitz survivor hugging her nazi guard

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/27/the-radical-forgiveness-of-an-auschwitz-survivor-who-hugged-a-nazi-guard/?utm_term=.451e4b7e2922

The Washington post later wow about organ harvesting from refugee camps
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/01/05/the-market-for-human-organs-is-destroying-lives/?utm_term=.2ee4d0f55181

This is the camp which is described above as:
“It’s fully safe!” a bubbly 38-year-old named Warda Aboud assured me, throwing her arms out in front of her, palms down.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/turkish-refugee-camps-turned-into-centers-for-raping-children-selling-refugees-body-organs/5527657

This is the World Banks solution to monetize camps
https://refugeecities.org/

Might be some strategic Hamlets connection to dig out, but the 'humanitarian' wing of the Phoenix Program involving privatisation-based "land reform" etc was run by Roy prosterman's Rural Development Institute and is still going strong in India & many other places
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/special-reports/uw-professor-fights-poverty-one-land-plot-at-a-time/
#85

swampman posted:

I bet someone could write a powerful book on the evolution of the modern refugee camp as the West learned that the strategic hamlet program works fine if you can make it totally impossible to live elsewhere else bc genocide.



they're also much more effective when placed outside of the country being destroyed, and between it and Western Europe, as safety netting to keep an influx of Western-policy-created refugees down to the level of scare stories about protecting white womanhood against the Oriental horde, instead of allowing those refugees to amp up to the level of yet another influx of desperately poor, exploitable labor into crisis-ready Eurozone economies, which would raise a bunch of lingering structural issues that Western politicians can't ride by telling cameras rape is bad and lynch mobs mean well

#86
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#87

xipe posted:

This is the camp which is described above as:
“It’s fully safe!” a bubbly 38-year-old named Warda Aboud assured me, throwing her arms out in front of her, palms down.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/turkish-refugee-camps-turned-into-centers-for-raping-children-selling-refugees-body-organs/5527657


holy shit

#88
Cuttlefish: https://squamuglia.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/margin-notes-on-paperclip-edgewood-rhodesia-and-abu-ghraib/
#89
Normally i would say "get them an account" but since they're reading this - hi cuttlefish, please ask for an account if you'd like, your contributions here would be welcome
#90

tears posted:

Now I find it interesting that a U.S. Army psychiatrist experimenting on concentration camp guards would move on to volunteering at the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic in San Francisco during the summer of love, at exactly the time Charles Manson was regularly visiting the clinic, which if certain rumours can be believes was funneling people to Mendicino Hospital, at the time controlled by Jim Jones of Jonestown fame, and highly suspected to have been used as a MK-ULTRA research facility.



Hmm, the tears deep state research institute cracks the case open again, then 'coincidentally' a few days later...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/obituaries/charles-manson-dead.html

#91

Petrol posted:

Normally i would say "get them an account" but since they're reading this - hi cuttlefish, please ask for an account if you'd like, your contributions here would be welcome



Strangely, for an apparently diligent researcher cuttlefish seems to take the word of obsessive twitter trots that this forum is a liberal zizek fan club which should be avoided for that reason.

#92
important distinction to make known: the zzone is a stalinist irony forum, not  an irony stalinist forum.

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#93
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#94
ok i got that Pender book i mentioned earlier in the thread. he uses jargon like 'pacification' so its very intentional. idk, it's some weird evil thing but also it never really went anywhere, so im not sure how useful it is...
#95
#96


A positive spin on Oak Ridge

https://historyexhibit.waypointcentre.ca/exhibits/show/treatment/or-program

Court case against it:
https://archive.org/details/OakRidgeCanadaHumanMedicalExperimentationLawsuitDocs

Matt Lamb
https://books.google.ie/books?id=r423DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA194&lpg=PA194&dq=matt+lamb+lsd&source=bl&ots=IErohR2pwy&sig=r0eCbI9AoaW2t_zgJ8fq3BohQvE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjNh7y3lNrXAhWMBcAKHUNVAAkQ6AEIFjAE#v=onepage&q=matt%20lamb%20lsd&f=false

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=43283.0

This is what the main doc got up to afterwards
http://www.naturalchild.org/elliott_barker/
#97


Video on Oak Ridge from when the program was running.

People watching it at the time would probably think it was a very progressive place.. At the same time they show a lot of things which would be hard to believe
#98
I've heardpraises for the Turkish government's housing for refugees directly from the mouths of my step-relatives who live as refugees in Kilis (though my stepmother and brothers are moving to the Gulf soon). I'd like to emphasize the point about the living standards of refugees there in comparison to refugee camps in other locations. First they fled from Aleppo, like many others in Kilis, and were moved and removed when stray rockets would hit too close to their place of refuge. They've finally moved into the city proper and left the camps, but you'd hear little but gratitude from them over the 'hospitality' of the Turkish government, due to the fact that they've been able to reconnect with relatives who face pretty squalid conditions in other areas of the region. Those huge tent encampments that you seen on the news, overrun with crime and practically exposed to the elements are kind of the only other option for people fleeing Syria, besides trekking across Europe to get beaten by Hungarian fascists or separated and placed in warehouses. The majority of Syrian refugees I've met talk about feeling invisiblized and that the globe doesn't care much about the conflict besides buzzards like the US, Iran and Daesh that they views as entering the conflict for their own gain and at the expense of the opposition.

The Turkish-backed groups fighting along the border and into Syria are seen in good light by them, since they are among the very few anti-Assad forces that haven't tried to kill them. Not to mention Turkey's ongoing propaganda campaign against Assad puts them on the side of the opposition in many refugees' mind. It's very common to hear them voice the sentiment that nobody else is fighting for them or wants to look after them, even their fellow Arabs. In the end it sort of boils down to the fact that outside of Turkey and a few European states, Syrian refugees are mostly treated as pests and refused basic necessities. Although the sheer number of refugees taken in by tye country have made that only a lucky many actually get that sort of treatment, the rest you can find in hovels across the nation, all the way to Istanbul, where it's pretty common to see groups if Syrian children bathing in public fountains.

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#99
found a short but interesting post on mkultra research done here in saskkkatchewan, i never knew any of this happened out here in the prairies

https://chelseadbleau.wordpress.com/2017/11/24/weyburn-mental-hospital-experiments/
#100
Al McCoy on physiological torture since the 50s

https://youtu.be/eeIvuKTVzRU

These methods were codified in Human Resource Exploitation Manuals from the 60s on

http://www.whale.to/b/human_resource_exploitation.html

One of the main goals of this torture is to stress and scramble the brain... Which is what happens to a brain suffering from dementia.

Apparently people tortured this way by the various Condor regimes from the 60s and 70s are suffering early dementia, among other things

https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/resources/library/documents-and-reports/Fields.pdf&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj_y5KB3-vXAhUpLMAKHXOiDxYQFggiMAg&usg=AOvVaw19VAQ0zZHcI_R-mmUlOXnf
#101
Has anyone poked holes in Rudolph Rummel's democide bullshit? Like from the surface it's preposterous.
#102
it doesn't seem necessary, it's an island of crazy in the field afaik
#103
if you want a strategy for people who throw that stuff at you, tell them that a term defined as "people killed by their governments" is so vague it means nothing. This will quickly send them to Rummel's "body count" lists for Communist countries which can then be attacked easily point by point because they're without fail the most absurd and least defensible estimates among those of many scholars, even anti-Communist ones, since Rummel's goal was to convince people a meaningless term he thought up should become a focus of scholarship
#104
RJ Dumbel
#105
following from the themes of brainwashing & camps, a 'funny' story about a private camp for 2,500 MEK fighters in Albania has been cleared out... to make way for 5000 ISIS families

http://www.balkanspost.com/article/409/mek-regime-change-albania-training-terrorist-iran


albanian MEK camp under construction in 2013

(MEK are to move to training camps in Albania & Europe)

some brainwashing techniques of MEK (who by the way were based 5km from CIA hq langely virginia since the 90s)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/13/magazine/the-cult-of-rajavi.html
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/interview-former-mojahedin/


MEK's camp ashraf in Iraq


One sad sliver of ISIS brainwashing: during the 7month battle for Mosul, ISIS used 700-1000 suicide carbombs... a very high percentage of the drivers were kidnapped Yazidi children retrained as Caliphate Cubs
http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/67142/20161010/yazidi-teen-details-how-isis-taught-boys-to-kill-and-behead-at-cubs-of-the-caliphate-camp.htm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-yazidi-children-syria-iraq-starved-suicide-bombings-eat-in-paradise-a7729581.html


https://zaytunarjuwani.wordpress.com/


this is the western gov approach to 'deradicalising' so far
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-astonishingly-crap-science-of-counter-extremism-65810f8ac8e6
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-quilliam-foundation-is-financed-by-tea-party-conservatives-investigated-by-sam-harris-1e43d54f0bee


for comparison, here's another cult camp, this time for nazi exiles in chile


http://www.messynessychic.com/2016/02/18/the-reformed-nazi-cult-trying-to-open-its-colony-to-tourism/
http://spitfirelist.com/tag/colonia-dignidad///
#106
after hours wasted chasing pointless internet bios of shady board of directors members and reading dead forums i finally found some recent interesting dirt on St Georges University, Grenada that i knew had to be out there somewhere. if you remeber, Dr Peter Bourne, nazi scientist, was vicechancellor of SGU, and so was his father, i knew this place was fuggin shady af, i knew it

https://sgusomcorruption.wordpress.com/
that this could have been found in 2 seconds by typing "sgu corruption" into <<searchengine>> has not escaped me


getting really into MK-ULTRA again cant wait till it messes up my brain and i keep peeking out the curtains and think im being followed like last time
#107
also i notice cryptocuttlefish stopped posting in nov, guess they finally got too close to the truth. if i ever stop posting its because the cia murdered me, watch my pivot to paranoia
#108
if anyone is speaking to cuttlefish thru private channels pm me.
#109
isn't that one of those twitter people who (correctly) believes that every single one of us is an elaborate psyop. i can't keep track of who is sane anymore
#110
why else would our project lead need a Skype session?
#111
baseless speculation: jim jones had initially intended to set up jonestown on grenada and transfered a large amount of money to the main grenadan bank. Gairy had visited jones and the temple in california. The destination was changed because their was a "higher bidder" for the site. The peoples temple was very wealthy. two years later st georges university, an "overseas medical school",was established on grenada by a group of wealthy amerikans. Just asking questions...
#112
Please excuse the thread necromancy but i was checking out ISGP for the first time in ages (i put it out of my mind since he went off the deep end with islamophobic stuff about immigration etc), and i stumbled across this, which looks relevant to your interests: https://isgp-studies.com/psychedelics-and-elites Obviously this guy is to be taken with a big ol' grain of salt but the research might nonetheless be of use. Ganbatte
#113
Is this the general conspiracy thread or specifically for brainwashing? Also does anyone have a link to the great thread on the international drug trade fuckery
#114
here's the kkkonspiracy thread and there's the drugs thread
#115
"I would say that eighty percent of my movements, eighty percent of the decisions I made were suggested to me by CIA people...I like the CIA!" - Timothy Leary

#116