#161
disagree. john mccain might have to retire.
#162
Comey's kind of interesting to me because the administration probably carried him over from the previous one because Comey was the one selected from among the intelligence agency heads to "warn" Trump about the supposed "impending" dossier leak, in this shady "I'm your real friend" way that involved having the CIA director step outside the room when he did it, and of course that massively reported "warning" from the head of the FBI to the president elect was one of the catalysts for the dossier getting published at all.

I posted back in January what a smooth move it was, because between that and the action taken on Clinton before the election, it made Comey look like he was Trump's pal and prompted the administration to keep Comey on, when obviously the FBI had been part of the security agency dossier hit, which was itself proven pretty thoroughly by the Washington Post reporting the story about the Comey/Trump meeting, since obviously no one in that chain is lately in the habit of publishing secret meetings between the head of the FBI and the president elect on issues of supposed national security.

And now six months later Comey appears before Congress and explains that in the best interests of the FBI, he's been keeping copious notes on every meeting he's had with Trump concerning the same topic. ayyy Lmao.
#163
the shorter version is that there was some serious work put in by the "security" community to keep Comey in the Trump administration for the exact purpose of doing what he just did.
#164
I appreciate the 'coles notes' lol. Your posts are the best cars, but sometimes I have to read between the lines/ connect some contextual dots. It's not a bad thing per se, but a sign you are posting at a !high! Level
#165

Belphegor posted:

I appreciate the 'coles notes' lol. Your posts are the best cars, but sometimes I have to read between the lines/ connect some contextual dots. It's not a bad thing per se, but a sign you are posting at a !high! Level



every day i strive for concise get fiscal like memes.

#166


This is the top headline on Fox News dot com right now and it's likely true because Comey was probably packing his fishing rod and bait box every time he went in to meet with Trump, hoping to get whatever he could to rat Trump and Trump's people out later. But given how magnanimously pleasant the response from the press has been over the last couple days to Comey testifying that he's been exploiting them this whole time, calling up his friends in the middle of the night to "leak" damaging stories, I feel like most reporters' and Democrats' response to any tapes of Comey fawning over Trump to get him to say rude things is going to be Yass queen drag him. The way they see it, now the spies work for the Democrats and so it shall be forevermore.
#167
To me this is a lot more important than the implications for the bourgeois parties because understanding the material aspects of imperialist ventures and the anti-left police state means keeping track of how the U.S. deep state manages top-level political discourse over time. They need money to do what they do and they need to keep their hands free, and they do that through these concentric circles of in-the-know people.

Usually that radiates out from the core of agency leaders and para-government retirees into the Washington cocktail set among both parties, and from there to the press, through leaks from the politicians, their appointees and their staff. But often enough, and this is one of those times, the deep state core does an end run around the rest of Washington straight to the press, and part of that is communicating an implied threat to both bourgeois parties' leadership about how they aren't strictly necessary for that "security" core to exercise power. Comey could not give a shit less what the White House and Congress think of him, he'll likely exercise just as much political power in his country from a beach house in Florida as he did in his previous post, if not more. He was more or less honest about how a special counsel is just a means for his clique to apply that kind of pressure, because saying that to Washington politicians and the press adds to that clique's influence. It's a threat leveled against everyone else at the hearing.
#168
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/20/politics/chelsea-clinton-fat-shaming-sean-spicer-steve-bannon/index.html
#169
really what is a hillarytar? i think they are little lizard spawns
#170
iirc its a reference to the old Laissez Faire forum on SA back in the runup to the 08 election when a bunch of people got obama avatars and were big obama boosters
#171
a minotaur who has jokes
#172
Wrap it up, Obamailures.
#173
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#175
why_not_both.jpg
#176
it's morming again in Amerca
#177
The Dawn of the Third Day
#178
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#180
jesus fuck
#181
for real, if you punched someone hard enough to reach orbit, there's no way that a normal 71 year old man would survive that. plus there's no air in space, so you wouldn't be able to hear him even if he did!
#182

thirdplace posted:

for real, if you punched someone hard enough to reach orbit, there's no way that a normal 71 year old man would survive that. plus there's no air in space, so you wouldn't be able to hear him even if he did!



#183

thirdplace posted:

for real, if you punched someone hard enough to reach orbit, there's no way that a normal 71 year old man would survive that. plus there's no air in space, so you wouldn't be able to hear him even if he did!



He's fine, he's running around, he's jumping

#184
today is the one year anniversary of pokemon go to the polls
#185

cars posted:

To me this is a lot more important than the implications for the bourgeois parties because understanding the material aspects of imperialist ventures and the anti-left police state means keeping track of how the U.S. deep state manages top-level political discourse over time. They need money to do what they do and they need to keep their hands free, and they do that through these concentric circles of in-the-know people.

Usually that radiates out from the core of agency leaders and para-government retirees into the Washington cocktail set among both parties, and from there to the press, through leaks from the politicians, their appointees and their staff. But often enough, and this is one of those times, the deep state core does an end run around the rest of Washington straight to the press, and part of that is communicating an implied threat to both bourgeois parties' leadership about how they aren't strictly necessary for that "security" core to exercise power. Comey could not give a shit less what the White House and Congress think of him, he'll likely exercise just as much political power in his country from a beach house in Florida as he did in his previous post, if not more. He was more or less honest about how a special counsel is just a means for his clique to apply that kind of pressure, because saying that to Washington politicians and the press adds to that clique's influence. It's a threat leveled against everyone else at the hearing.


it would be very great if you wrote a whole thing about the Comey saga from your pov from beginning to end. what do you need to do this

#186

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

today is the one year anniversary of pokemon go to the polls


#187
HBO Go to the polls
#188
#189
zapruderfilmbutitshillaryslegacy.mov
#190
The girl that got away... an 80 year old woman we've been forced to hear about for 35 years
#191

drwhat posted:

it would be very great if you wrote a whole thing about the Comey saga from your pov from beginning to end. what do you need to do this



maybe. I would have to find some way to articulate it that drew directly from other historical examples without too much digression. I used to write a lot more in my free time for wider audiences but I try to restrict it now to things where I can provide context that makes what I write potentially useful for analysis because otherwise it's just like, oh I wrote something I'm glad to accomplish things. I do that anyway, I think it's good to work on your quick draw but I don't show it to people anymore most of the time. And if people feel comfortable with their style I don't think that's a bad way of doing things unless what they write will contribute something.

Like I started a thing on marijuana laws under Communist states but I didn't really have the econ knowledge to provide the necessary context and then weeded DPRK became a meme and that probably did everything I was trying to do better than I could. on the Superman article I had a clear reason for writing it, how superheroes are a big deal in the current U.S. monoculture around the world and how liberal writers who write about Superman about 75% of the time mention that he was aggressively politically left when he started, but don't provide the full suite of examples (they like Superman beating up a wife beater which is a good social cause but they cite it because it works as a vague "apolitical" power fantasy) and never talk about how that whole political left angle made Superman and superheroes popular in the first place or what changed, mostly because they're seeking validation for being nerds and not digging too deep. So I had a clear goal there, to address a deficit I saw using things I already knew and provide evidence for the power of vigorous leftism in history from a common touchstone for people around the world, and how it rose and fell in just a few short years while its market-friendly ephemera triumphed. because Online people constantly see Superman called "socialist" nowadays.

So I'll try and do some re-reading on other deep state dirty tricks in domestic U.S. politics the Comey gambit reminds me of and think about it more. I know it's pretty easy for me to do tea leaf reading with a receptive audience so my self-praise for getting things right there is Ironic.

Anyone who can think of anything similar in U.S. history I might have missed send it my way, a lot of the focus we have on those tricks here is on the subjects of colonial/imperial policy which is probably right but yeah. And also since the registered users on this forum are a small group I can put stuff in that other people mention and it'll get me good will for stuff I write on the cheap

#192

Meursault posted:

The girl that got away... an 80 year old woman we've been forced to hear about for 35 years




rhizzone.txt

#193
norm macdonald

http://www.thedailybeast.com/norm-macdonald-sounds-off-on-snl-i-think-theyre-playing-into-trumps-hands

Did you watch Saturday Night Live this past season?

Oh yeah, yeah. Oh my god, did you see that? And this wasn’t even a tragedy; just a guy got elected. They open the show with Kate McKinnon singing “Hallelujah” by Leonard Cohen. And I was sad Leonard Cohen died, I love Leonard Cohen. But at the end, Kate McKinnon said, “I’m going to get through this and so are you. I was like, what the fuck are we getting through? That a man was duly elected president? What are you, crazy? Like, at first, I seriously thought she meant Leonard Cohen’s death. And I was like, well I can get through that. I can get through anything. I got through my own father’s death. You think I can’t get through a man getting elected president of the United States? It was so absurd that, for some reason, she was the one that was supposed to let me know that it’s alright to go on. Go on as if nothing happened. Nothing exploded.
How do you think the show has done with Trump in office, with Alec Baldwin and Melissa McCarthy and all the guests they brought in?

I love Alec Baldwin. And one of my best friends, Jim Downey, writes the political sketches. Or used to. And they were great. But they were always funny. I don’t know. I have different ideas on that than most. But I think they’re playing into Trump’s hands. Because if you satirize someone, or mock them, you’re trivializing any danger that they might be. I don’t know any other way to do something. You can’t get a laugh without making the person more likable. Plus, I don’t think comedy does anything anyway. I was reading this book—I’m kind of obsessed with Hitler, you know? And they were saying, when Hitler took power, all these comedians and sketch troupes would do Hitler. They’d put a comb under their nose. They all hated Hitler and they’d make fun of him. Hitler didn’t care and then he did all those bad things. I don’t want to get into the details, but this guy was no saint. So I have no historical precedent that comedy ever changed anything.
So if you were still doing “Weekend Update” on that show now, what would your approach be?

I don’t know. I always wrote non-political jokes, because I just hate politics so much. Jim Downey wrote the political jokes. And I was kind of shocked, because someone sent me a thing of all the Hillary jokes I did. It was like 20 minutes of them. And they were all, everyone of them, the premise was that she was a huge liar. And that was like 20 years ago. I didn’t know that. I guess she was. My theory is this: People hated Hillary Clinton so much that they voted for someone they hated more than Hillary Clinton in order to rub it in. And if you think about it, this is also the only presidential election we’ve had where only one guy ran.
#194
people say that nobody reads the politics books that are churned out constantly by ghostwriters and attributed to TV hosts and politicians, but that isn't exactly accurate. it's more that nobody except their fanboys reads them. the concept of hate-reading as a mass idea is fairly recent. unless you already love hillary clinton why the hell are you going to read her book? even if you're a republican you've got to know that she's not going to drop any "i love marx" bombs, let alone in 'We The I'm With Herple" by Hillary Clinton (With F. Mark F. Freppleton). at worst you're going to have consensus-wisdom dipshits reading the book. so she can sail by saying in print she had slaves for 20 years
#195
Mike Brown, like Hitler, was "no angel" - NYT
#196
*comb under nose* Hello good sirs. I am Hitler and boy do I hate Hitler
#197
the time when to do the satire of the world's most evil man alive only cost the price of a comb. You could reuse the same comb
#198
comb meme strong
#199

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

norm


damn its true

#200
kamala harris meeting with the DNC leadership, followed by suddenly getting all these anointing pieces by the liberal feminists and manlet fanboys who were wrong about everything, followed by the absolute avalanche of belligerent cretins on twitter who decided they would die for her because they read a thing on vox, has completely destroyed any remaining faith i had in american democracy