#801
evbery single financial new place i look at is filled with a horrified cheery optimism about how now really is the time to buy the stock and everything will be fine. well see what happens on monday
#802
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#803
a lset, d ana, dnar, banama
#804

ialdabaoth posted:

A trademark application filed by Tesla on Monday seeks to protect the name "Teslaquila" and identifies the product as "distilled agave liquor; Distilled blue agave liquor."

Tesla CEO Musk tweeted about "Teslaquilla" (then spelled using two "l"s) on April 1, 2018, joking that Tesla had gone bankrupt and he had "passed out against a Tesla Model 3, surrounded by 'Teslaquilla' bottles."



Easter eggs of Tesla lore. Tesla canon; the shared Teslaverse

#805
remember when the first big stories hit about how Tesla had been months behind on orders since they first started taking them and musk's response was to announce new cars would now have video gaem
#806


i would have said its time to finish making a car but hey, you do you
#807
#808
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#809
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a23508636/defense-of-elon-musk/

Because He’s a Superhero
by Palmer Luckey, Oculus VR

Bruce Wayne. Elon Musk. Tony Stark. Three men worth billions of dollars who care more about solving important problems than living comfortably, but only one of them is real.

#810
#811
uber and lyft ipo news:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/technology/uber-lyft-ipo.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-16/uber-is-said-to-get-ipo-pitches-at-potential-120-billion-value

Wall Street’s top banks, vying for a coveted underwriting spot on Uber’s IPO, suggest the San Francisco company could produce one of the most valuable offerings ever. In their pitches to Uber, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said the business could be valued at about $120 billion in an IPO, people familiar with the matter said, who asked not to be identified because the discussions were private.

Meanwhile, Lyft has selected JPMorgan Chase & Co., along with Credit Suisse Group AG and Jefferies Financial Group Inc., to lead an offering in the first half of next year, according to people familiar with the matter. The banks proposed a valuation range of $18 billion to $30 billion, with a target of $25 billion, one of the people said. That valuation for the second-largest U.S. ride-hailing company would be based in part on a comparison to GrubHub Inc.’s food-delivery business.

#812
Dumping as a business plan makes taxi company worth twice as much as everyone says, say people "privately" "familiar" with upcoming IPO
#813
https://www.recode.net/platform/amp/2018/10/19/17998278/saudi-mbs-jamal-khashoggi-silicon-valley-kara-swisher-scott-galloway-facebook-portal-amazon-hq2#click=https://t.co/BilCqf4dMB
https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-backlash-threatens-u-s-startups-1539707574?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/3aA8fe7i4R
#814
its tipping, its tipping, its gonna go
#815
headlines are positive today for tesla as they reported a $312 million profit in Q3

https://www.ft.com/content/8fdc9b96-d7a9-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8

less reporting of some of the grimmer numbers like accounts payable increasing by $560 million from Q2.

http://ir.tesla.com/static-files/725970e6-eda5-47ab-96e1-422d4045f799
#816
CHipmakers news (really important): AMD earnings were out earlier, bad, prompted a 16.7% slump in a share price that was already going down down down. intel are out later today too might also be bad. big day in thestock market today
#817
lol

#818

things are really sliding
#819

tears posted:


red tide

#820
oh no my stocks
#821
time to buy Amazon i guess
#822
costco is short for cost company
#823
paywalled article, some info on how tesla manufactured a profitable quarter

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-tesla-made-a-record-profit-1541436774?

The biggest boost to profits came from the sale of government credits, which Tesla earns by producing clean energy products like electric cars and can be sold to other companies to satisfy regulatory requirements. Tesla booked $189.5 million in credit revenue in the quarter, an unusually high result. Tesla had booked at total of about $135 million in the first two quarters of the year. These credits are almost pure profit for Tesla.



same trick as q3 2016 i think

also:

In the third quarter, Tesla set aside $187 million in estimated warranty expenses, or about $2,242 per vehicle delivered. In the second quarter, that expense was $2,910 per car. That quarter was the first period where the Model 3 was Tesla’s best selling product. Net income would have been about $56 million lower using the same figure as in the second quarter, according to analysts at UBS.

#824

cars posted:

time to buy Amazon i guess



now up over 200 per share from the bottom of that slide. nice

#825
~2 years ago pinko fellow traveler Kim Stanley Robinson trashed Elon Musk's Mars-mission "plan" and owned the dork from Bloomberg asking him about it

highlights include Robinson telling the interviewer that:

  • nothing Musk says about his Mars mission is realistic
  • during the space race, USSR scientists did a lot more work than anyone else on closed life-support systems, the sort of technology on which any long-term Mars mission would depend
  • sustainability (the Bloomberg nerd whines it's "hard to define") is in fact easy to define and the problem is "what is often called economics"
  • SpaceX's "before/after" images for a terraformed Mars might as well have 30,000 years intervening between them


it's paywalled but I'm good at cheating so here's the partial transcript they put up

President Obama extolled Mars exploration in an op-ed this week. His chief scientific adviser and NASA's administrator both backed him up in a blog post. Must be encouraging to see official support for a conversation relaunched by Musk from the private sector.

It’s really heartwarming to see the old science fiction visions of everyday presence in and use of space coming true. I also like the public sector leadership and their “off-earth, for earth” rationale, which is the strongest one by far. Wonderful stuff.

It’s 2024. Musk figures everything out and gets funding. He builds his rocket, and 100 people take off. Several months later, they land (somehow) and have to get to work remaking a planet.

I have to note, first, that this scenario is not believable, which makes it a hard exercise to think about further. Mars will never be a single-person or single-company effort. It will be multi-national and take lots of money and lots of years.

Musk’s plan is sort of the 1920s science-fiction cliché of the boy who builds a rocket to the moon in his backyard, combined with the Wernher von Braun plan, as described in the Disney TV programs of the 1950s. A fun, new story.

What is the optimal distribution of skills among 100 people who could each afford $200,000 to $500,000 a seat for such a high-risk endeavor?

They would not pay to get in but would be selected and trained, as any astronauts are and need to be.

Has SpaceX vested authority in someone—or a group—to run Mars?

It wouldn’t be SpaceX deciding these things.

Who’s in charge?

This would be an uneasy mix of legal rule from earth, following the Outer Space Treaty and the regulations of the organizing bodies involved (NASA, the UN, and whoever else) and local decisions made ad hoc by direct democracy.

Do they all have to wear uniforms, as on Star Trek or in Biosphere 2? Why? Why can't I wear jeans?

Indoors, people would wear what they wanted for comfort. Outside, they’d be in special Mars suits that are not like spacesuits. They would resemble diving drysuits in some respects. Getting in and out of the clothing and the shelters would be a big effort, and keeping the dust out of the shelters would be really hard but necessary.

What part of Mars is best to land in?

This is a topic much discussed! You want to find a place near the equator but with obvious water supplies. You’ll want to land in a flat spot, but near some canyons or craters or other walls that might give settlers a chance to dig sideways to get some shelter underground for protection from radiation. I’ll be voting for the place I had my First Hundred land in Red Mars.

As someone eccentrically but reasonably asked Musk in Mexico, what’s the sewage system like?

They’ll be working to create a closed biological life-support system, which is something that the Soviets studied more than the Americans during the space race. In these systems, the hope is to waste nothing, so sewage would be integrated back into the ecological system as fertilizer for the farms. People would be busy for many years trying to make such systems work.

Cosmic radiation is a real thing, even though they’re mostly protected. How many people live long enough to get cancer?

Cancer risk—and "space brain!"—would be higher than here. People would therefore live under about 30 feet of Martian soil (regolith) to reduce their cancer risk, and probably they would limit their time outdoors, where exposure would be greatest. It would make sense to send middle-aged people, to reduce the exposure times involved.

How are people responding to 38 percent gravity after the zero-g flight?

No one knows the answer to this one! We’ve seen people on the moon for a few hours, which is more like 18 percent earth-g; they bounced around okay, but there wasn’t time to judge health effects. One can guess—like, say it’s about 38 percent better than zero g, but 62 percent worse than living on earth—but this is just a guess. We will only find out by doing it.

It therefore makes sense to organize this as a long-term experiment in which crews land on Mars, work there for a year or two, and then return home for medical study. It would resemble the way we now explore Antarctica: People rotate in and out; no one lives there for their whole lives.

At what point are they able to start producing fuel for the return trip?

That could be done robotically before they even arrive.

Everyone wants sustainability and sustainable development. But it’s hard to define on earth.

Sustainability is quite definable and rests on bio-physical parameters and balances that can be measured and described. It’s an ecological equation of sorts, big but not impossibly complex. It tends to be messed up by what is often called economics.

What needs to happen for the Mars colony to live sustainably and give humanity the lifeboat Musk envisions?

It’s important to say that the idea of Mars as a lifeboat is wrong, in both a practical and a moral sense.

There is no Planet B, and it’s very likely that we require the conditions here on earth for our long-term health. When you don’t take these new biological discoveries into your imagined future, you are doing bad science fiction.

In a culture so rife with scientism and wish fulfillment, a culture that's still coming to grips with the massive crisis of climate change, a culture that's inflicting a sixth mass-extinction event on earth and itself, it’s important to try to pull your science fiction into the present, to make it a useful tool of human thought, a matter of serious planning as well as thrilling entertainment.

This is why Musk’s science fiction story needs some updating, some real imagination using current findings from biology and ecology.

In the '60s we were up against the Soviets to get to the moon, or thought we were. What will propel us to Mars, if there's no analogous existential national competition?

Good question. I think Oliver Morton made a very good point—that we as a civilization have an intense interest in what you might call the most difficult feat of exploration possible in our time. In the 19th century, the interest was in the poles, then Everest, and in the 20th century, the moon. What might confirm this is that once we achieve these exploration goals, we lose interest. So now there are bases at the South Pole. Tourists go up Everest. We went to the moon and then cancelled missions, etc. Our interest always turns to the next-hardest thing possible.

Compared to the Mars shot, the moon shot looks like a cakewalk.

My feeling now is that faced with the extreme expense, technical challenge, and danger of going to Mars, interest is going to shift to the moon as a destination that can actually be reached and occupied during some of our lifetimes. Planning for Mars is always very enthusiastic up until the moment of realization that the project’s unavoidable realities means it is going to take decades. All these things being talked about on Mars might be doable on the moon—colonies, tourism, resource extraction. So I’m guessing we may see that shift pretty soon.

Tell me what you think of this image. It's the future red planet, imagined by SpaceX:

(image is a still from a four-minute SpaceX video illustrating Elon Musk's vision for colonizing and transforming Mars) ["before" image]

(image is a still from a four-minute SpaceX video illustrating Elon Musk's vision for colonizing and transforming Mars) ["after" image]

I like it. The time lapse might be 300 years or 3,000 or 30,000.

The Mars flag, as designed by the Mars Society 15 or 20 years ago, is a trio of vertical stripes: red, green, and blue. It’s the vision of terraforming outlined by the "Mars Underground" crowd in the '70s, following on visionary work by Carl Sagan and others. Chris McKay, Martyn Fogg, Bruce Mackenzie, Robert Zubrin, Carol Stoker, Penny Boston—the list goes on of planetary scientists who saw that Mars had the volatiles needed to heat up an atmosphere and see what happens. It’s a grand vision, and I was lucky to be the science fiction writer there at the time, say 1985, to pick up on it and turn it into a long novel.

These things can only be done for the first time once. So I can say, in terms of the novel, that that was me, with Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars. I feel lucky.

#826
I dub our new mars colony Roanoke.
#827
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/uber-releases-ugly-3q-2018-results-losses-widen-to-1-1-billion-growth-slows.html

q3 2018 uber results, they're back up to a 1.1 billion dollar loss. that's as bad as they were doing in 2017.
#828
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-14/uber-revenue-slows-as-quarterly-loss-surges-to-1-1-billion

Uber had $6.55 billion in cash on hand at the end of the quarter, not including the $500 million it recently raised from Toyota Motor Corp. or its $2 billion debt offering.

#829
*both arms raised* down down down down down down down down down down down down down
#830
#831
How I Went From Tesla Delivery Hell To Tesla Giving Me Control Of Their Site Forums With Over 1.5 Million Tesla Account Contacts

For a company that is manufacturing the car of the future, the Tesla forums seem like they’re stuck in the stone-age. There is no search functionality. There is no private messaging option. There is no way to upload images. There is no way to edit posts after they’re made. There is no way to tell who is actually a Tesla owner and who is just browsing for info. There are no visible moderators or company support to address issues as there should be on such a valuable platform.
I checked back on the forums after an hour and noticed something was weird. Suddenly I had the ability to edit and delete everyone’s posts! Then I looked at the top of the page and noticed the admin bar... I did find the real Elon Musk account and learned that Elon had last accessed the forum 3.5 years ago. Clearly he prefers Twitter.

#832
D O W N
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W N D O
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#833
down owned window endow
#834
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#835
oben more like nieter
#836
#837
so this is happening today:




which when we put into context:


(11th oct is when i became relativly confident in my forcast)

And wider:



this volatility iT keeps me bouncing

$$FORCASTER TEARS
#838
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/will-uber-survive-the-next-decade.html

yves smith article, nothing new for those who have been reading the Horan articles but a good summation.

Edited by Chthonic_Goat_666 ()

#839
lyft files for IPO

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/ride-sharing-startup-lyft-files-confidentially-for-u-s-ipo?srnd=premium
#840
DIE