blinkandwheeze posted:

the opposite is the case, the fascists in these subcultures come with the biggest concessions to classical musical conventions. neofolk & martial industrial are both painfully saccharine & sentimental in terms of melodic / rhythmic sensibility. the aesthetic culture of fascism is insanely cloying and kitsch, full of vulgar humanism & appeals to the Volk

while this phenomenon certainly exists, there are still a number of fascists attracted to stuff like noise, black metal, industrial, etc -- for a historic example, i cant think of a better example than the Italian Futurists, most of whom later became Mussolini supporters (at least the ones that survived WWI)

seems that both groups (ie, the Wagner and Burzum fans) are just different forms of the same underlying phenomenon: a thorough-going anti-Rationalism, a rejection of both the utilitarian logic of technocratic liberalism and the dialectic logic of Marxism in favor of a Romantic notion of both society and self that can simultaneously look at past and future with the misty glasses of second-rate poets and sentimentalists

from a musical standpoint, many have commented that the music that white supremacists are attracted tend to be totally devoid of African-American influence -- nothing with tinges of blues, essentially. what's interesting to me is how that's manifested itself in practical terms for a lot of their rock and metal. the exclusion the blues is so strong that most of this music doesn't even have anything resembling a V-I cadence -- something that's definitely not unique to Afro-American music at all (i mean, it's been the cornerstone of tonality in Western classical music for hundreds of years), but most rock musicians learn tend to learn it through it blues-inspired acts. that means that a lot of metal, from Metallica on through black metal, sounds closer to Gregorian chants played with distortion. structurally, it's several step backwards from the legacy of Beethoven or Wagner that these guys claim to be the heir to

drwhat posted:

Petrol posted:


theres some good noise out there but neofolk & martial is exclusively fash



the further you get away from recognizable identification of a human playing an instrument (or singing) or some kind of human organization of sound (melody and rhythm e.g.), the more towards noise, the more i think you get more and more inherently anti-human / fascist, but that's just like, my opinion, man

thats a fairly uninformed opinion

cars posted:

Afaik fascists nowadays want to be one of a small group of cartoon Japanese pre teen girls performing synchronized dance moves to songs about friends and hearts and shit which makes it hard to come to Complex conclusions about their opinions on women, gay, etc

this is almost certainly true for the majority of fascists, i think maybe people who focus a lot on politics in fringe music scenes lose sight of the fact that most fascists, just like most people, don't like listening to noise even if it agrees with their politics.

lo posted:

i think rather than looking at some sort of 'this music has x quality which isnt black and thats why fascists like it' its probably better to be looking at the social context of the music.

i'd add that krautrock, probably the most explicitly anti-fascist music, also eschews blues not because it was black, but because the english and american pop music invading germany used that structure. i dont think looking for fascism in culture is very useful. you could easily argue that hesse and steppenwolf in particular are proto-fascist, and youd be wrong.

kinch posted:

lo posted:


i think rather than looking at some sort of 'this music has x quality which isnt black and thats why fascists like it' its probably better to be looking at the social context of the music.



i'd add that krautrock, probably the most explicitly anti-fascist music, also eschews blues not because it was black, but because the english and american pop music invading germany used that structure. i dont think looking for fascism in culture is very useful. you could easily argue that hesse and steppenwolf in particular are proto-fascist, and youd be wrong.

theres a few krautrock type groups that were jazzy or funky so im not too sure that it eschews the blues to be honest but im just nitpicking here rather than disagreeing with your overall point

glomper_stomper posted:

no, but anime is

Belphegor posted:

that reads like it was written by donald trump

e: well, spoken by him

its cool how identifiable his cadence and speech patterns are