#121
john bellamy foster is good to read imo. doesn't love stalin enough but the sparts hate him so now you know where he's positioned on the two biggest issues facing worldwide socialism today.
#122
ok ill put his collected works on the reading list somewhere between Trukhanovsky's book on anthony eden and all the anarchist pamphlets i bought on a whim, provisional reading date 2019-20
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wait, ice, where are you going, come back... or at least... *starts crying* ...take me with you
#127
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/20/china-eyes-an-opportunity-to-take-ownership-of-climate-change-fight

China may yet debunk the thesis of this thread. This article, although a typical racist screed and lowkey hagiography about the White Man (Obama) englightening the Oriental (Xi Jinping) about climate change, shows along with several others I've read that China is leading the way in the fight through concrete useful praxis. And with its Socialist Economy with Careful Capitalist Characteristics it actually has a chance at success. It seems that the ICE (or FIRE) may not be coming after all and I, like tears, am somewhat disappointed.
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RTC posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/20/china-eyes-an-opportunity-to-take-ownership-of-climate-change-fightChina may yet debunk the thesis of this thread. This article, although a typical racist screed and lowkey hagiography about the White Man (Obama) englightening the Oriental (Xi Jinping) about climate change, shows along with several others I've read that China is leading the way in the fight through concrete useful praxis. And with its Socialist Economy with Careful Capitalist Characteristics it actually has a chance at success. It seems that the ICE (or FIRE) may not be coming after all and I, like tears, am somewhat disappointed.

Energy is an essential part of American life and a staple of the world economy. The Trump Administration is committed to energy policies that lower costs for hardworking Americans and maximize the use of American resources, freeing us from dependence on foreign oil.

For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule. Lifting these restrictions will greatly help American workers, increasing wages by more than $30 billion over the next 7 years. Sound energy policy begins with the recognition that we have vast untapped domestic energy reserves right here in America. The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans. We must take advantage of the estimated$50 trillion in untapped shale, oil, and natural gas reserves, especially those on federal lands that the American people own. We will use the revenues from energy production to rebuild our roads, schools, bridges and public infrastructure. Less expensive energy will be a big boost to American agriculture, as well.

The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.

In addition to being good for our economy, boosting domestic energy production is in America’s national security interest. President Trump is committed to achieving energy independence from the OPEC cartel and any nations hostile to our interests. At the same time, we will work with our Gulf allies to develop a positive energy relationship as part of our anti-terrorism strategy.

Lastly, our need for energy must go hand-in-hand with responsible stewardship of the environment. Protecting clean air and clean water, conserving our natural habitats, and preserving our natural reserves and resources will remain a high priority. President Trump will refocus the EPA on its essential mission of protecting our air and water.

A brighter future depends on energy policies that stimulate our economy, ensure our security, and protect our health. Under the Trump Administration’s energy policies, that future can become a reality.

#130
china is already taking over the solar panel industry, this will be finalized by the withdrawal of subsidies from the industry within the U.S. and china has the added bonus of a legacy of thoroughgoing public health and welfare improvement campaigns that allow it avenues to enforce domestic reforms in alternative energy in ways not available to many Western countries, even within Europe. what i'm curious about is whether those chinese solar panels will end up covering a North African boondoggle solar super-state project purportedly intended to provide power to Western Europe.
#131
*extremly interested voice* pls elaborate that last bit please
#132
it's sixty degrees in chicago today lmao.

when i'm strangling another dehydrated wastelander for a plastic bottle full of life-giving urine i will miss people staking their irrevocable claim on a shoveled out parking spot with cardboard boxes and lawn furniture.
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tears posted:

*extremly interested voice* pls elaborate that last bit please

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-north-africa-light-europe-solar-power/

the Wikipedia page refers weirdly to this project in the past tense but planning is still going on. like i said though, it's far from a certainty and right now it's being pushed as makework for NA/European production but I suspect if it moves forward seriously china will become directly involved through investment

#134
thank you, but am very suprised that anyone was seriously stating that any sort of large scale (PV?) solar stuff would not be dependant on panels manurfactured in china, the place that manurfactures all the solar panels
#135
i was glancingly involved with local solar initiatives once and the long-term future of US/Europe solar panel production is pure hallucinatory fantasy imo. got to see Ed Begley up close though.
#136
one of the biggest problems i see with wind and solar, mostly wind though, is that it heavily relies on our globalized manufacturing system. the manufacturing is incredibly involved for green energy, so it wouldn't take much of a crisis to set off a cascading failure effectively neutering further production and parts for maintenance.

all it takes is one depression and you got manufacturers all over the world that support green energy going under. and now you have a time limit for the industries to recover since the lifespan of solar and wind is only twenty years without support. and that's an optimistic estimate. with more extreme weather incoming you'll see turbines and panels get fucked up pretty quick.

lol jesus christ we're so fucked
#137
imo the bubble could deflate significantly simply by the Trump administration withdrawing federal support for state and local solar initiatives which is definitely going to happen.
#138
the second you see a major high-tech manufacturing company liquidating their machinery go and spend some quality time with your loved ones cause everyone's in for a wacky and wild ride.
#139
My current crazy unfounded suspicion is that after a few years of massive logging, especially in the Americas, a petroleum distribution crisis will cause unrestrained tree death as the remaining ones are cut for fuel. Tree catastrophe 2021, I'll bet $150 on it #140 with no trees to print money... no way i'll have to pay up. ill take you up on that bet #141 [account deactivated] #142 short PV outside PRC/Taiwan/Japan. that's my LOCK O THE WEEK #143 swampman posted: My current crazy unfounded suspicion is that after a few years of massive logging, especially in the Americas, a petroleum distribution crisis will cause unrestrained tree death as the remaining ones are cut for fuel. Tree catastrophe 2021, I'll bet$150 on it

not if they all burn down 1st

#144
enjoying watching this season in the arctic as you might enjoy watching the car infront of you wobble then enter an uncontrolled spin at 90mph
#145
this thread is insanely scary and depressing and I have to always push it to the back of my mind to continue living. Here's hoping we can achieve full communism fast enough so only half the world's population dies to climate change rather than all of it.
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perhaps it will be great in the size of its impact compared to previous droughts
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#150
that sort of catastrophism has some "Marxian" adherents (and they are often the sort who describe themselves with that term) but it's usually promoted by libertarian / technocrat types who push the line to promote immediate funding of supposed quick-fix capitalist solutions under people such as Elon Musk. it's also usually found in literature reviews alongside bizarrely outdated, Robert-Conquest-fueled assessments of the USSR's existence as the world's biggest "man-made catastrophe", often as stated by Eliezer S. Yudkowsky, the Internet's most powerful My Little Pony fan.
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#152
the one where the entire human species is wiped out in the current trend of global extinctions.
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#154
At 1417.4 miles per trip, 5 gallons of fuel per flown mile, and 50 flights an hour to and from JFK, 354350 gallons of fuel are burned per hour of that airport's operation, generating 7,476,785 pounds of atmospheric CO2. If you generate 16.5 tons of atmospheric CO2 each year as an average American, shutting down JFK for one hour would compensate for three lifetime's worth of emissions. Unfortunately, it is currently illegal for just anybody to shut down JFK airport.
#155
http://www.essence.com/2016/08/16/cheers-usain-bolt-fans-shut-down-jfk-airport Usain Bolt is a fucking hero
#156
due to heavy snow fall and floods in spain, Asda is now limiting broccoli sales to three per shopper. truly the environmental apocalypse we all secretly yearn for is upon us
#157
my yearning for an Iberian apocalypse is no secret, friend
#158
As high as 19 meter waves and force 10 winds. Serious meteorological shenanigans going on round here.
#159
The broccoli shortage is finally here.
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