went and marched around in a circle with a syrian arab republic flag to do my bit by shouting dont do the bombs at the people in the bookies, the people in the supermarket, the people eating food. a proscribed route pattern of course. the feds drove their waggons infront and behind. most of the people were greatful for the cops, keeping them safe, shuffling them around the circult, managing us. A carnival atmosphere prevades, people are drinking, i can smell weed, someone playing a drum, lots of chanting
"no syrian arab republic flags at this demonstration please. we need to oppose ALL war in syria. Oppose all dictators. this is about preventing britain bombing syria, not about supporting genocidal maniacs" said someone with a stop the war logo in the facebook profile picture
there was an adjenda of speakers, a sound system, dreadful music, stop the war brought all this, they took a bit of a downhill turn once everyone but the paid state agents left after the anger at the invasion of iraq disapated, they plan the march, set the ajenda, parade their speakers, call the cops,
the next speaker got up and flew the flag of the "free syria army", a flag of mercenaries, rapists, murderers and cia agents. he said some words into the sound system about assad, who gassed his own people, hed seen it, no war with syria eccept the covert war please, there was cheering,
after that we did the march, and they rolled out one last speaker, "there have been some good humanitarian interventions by britain in the past but this is not one," every one was told well done and given a pat on the back, like and subscribe to stop the war on facebook and twitter, lets keep this going, the next march will becoming up soon with 90% less attendance
doubt we stopped the war tbh
Synergy posted:this made me lol a little
Moreover, now that eastern Ghouta has finally been cleared of terrorists, it turns out that Nato troops, including British troops, had surreptitiously been stationed in the area in preparation for an assault on Damascus. This assault was, in the event, frustrated when the Syrian government succeeded in liberating the area within only a few weeks from starting its offensive.
“According to a report by Al-Mayadeen news channel cited by Fars news, a number of British troops have been captured during the Syrian Arab Army’s operations in eastern Ghouta.
“They are believed to be a part of international military forces deployed in the region to launch a ground assault in Damascus in cooperation with the US. According to the report, the US and other Nato countries, Jordan and Israel planned to launch attacks from several fronts, but the plot failed as Syrian armed forces made a series of rapid advances in eastern Ghouta in March.
“The plot allegedly involved massive airstrikes by US and Israeli planes that were supposed to pave the way for ground forces …
“Since the plot failed due to rapid advances by the Syrian army, the US cancelled all operations planned for these foreign forces and ordered an immediate withdrawal from eastern Ghouta through the eastern suburbs of Damascus, including Douma.
“The US and Turkey sought to rescue foreign ‘militants and agents operating for Israel, Jordan and Nato’, now trapped in Ghouta, and move them to Idlib, the source says.
“The Turkish initiative to help with the evacuation of al-Nusra Front terrorists from Ghouta has reportedly been a cover-up for ‘special foreign forces that were among the ranks of the Al-Qaeda-affiliated’ Nusra Front terror organisation.
“‘Therefore, the US has ordered Jaysh al-Islam, Faylaq al-Rahman and other terrorist groups to allow the evacuation of civilians from eastern Ghouta to army-held regions in a bid to provide the ground for these foreign agents to also leave Ghouta in disguise, and enable the Turkish intelligence service to send them to specified regions in At-Tanf and northern Syria which are under the control of US troops,’ the source said.” (Syrian army captures British militants in eastern Ghouta – reports, Sputnik, 12 April 2018)
It would seem, however, that somebody forgot to tell the British troops, who remained in eastern Ghouta to be captured and thus give the whole game away.
https://www.cpgb-ml.org/2018/04/13/news/imperialist-plans-for-a-major-war-as-rats-cleared-out-of-eastern-ghouta-syria/
https://apnews.com/5ef71f938d1f457f8a7768b7b6eddfb5 posted:Chemical weapons team in Syria kept from alleged attack site
DOUMA, Syria (AP) — Syrian and Russian authorities prevented independent investigators from going to the scene of a suspected chemical attack, the head of the chemical watchdog group said Monday, blocking international efforts to establish what happened and who was to blame.
The U.S. and France say they have evidence that poison gas was used in the April 7 attack in the opposition-held town of Douma, killing dozens of people, and that Syrian President Bashar Assad’s military was behind it.
But they have made none of that evidence public, even after they, along with Britain, bombarded sites they said were linked to Syria’s chemical weapons program.
Syria and its ally Russia deny any chemical attack took place, and Russian officials went even further, accusing Britain of staging a “fake” chemical attack. British Prime Minister Theresa May accused the two countries — whose forces now control the town east of Damascus — of trying to cover up evidence.
The lack of access to Douma by inspectors from the watchdog group, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, has left unanswered questions about the attack.
OPCW Director-General Ahmet Uzumcu said Syrian and Russian officials cited “pending security issues” in keeping its inspectors from reaching Douma.
“The team has not yet deployed to Douma,” Uzumcu told an executive council meeting of the OPCW in The Hague.
Instead, Syrian authorities offered them 22 people to interview as witnesses, he said, adding that he hoped “all necessary arrangements will be made ... to allow the team to deploy to Douma as soon as possible.”
So... the area is unsafe after the airstrikes and the inspectors have been asked to wait briefly while it's secured? But this is apparently a tactic by Russia & Syria to delay the inspections they themselves requested. The next bit is even better though
The Associated Press, during a government-organized visit Monday to Douma, spoke to survivors and witnesses who described being hit by gas. Several said a strange smell started spreading and people screamed, “It’s chlorine! It’s chlorine!”
The AP visited a two-room underground shelter where Khaled Mahmoud Nuseir said 47 people were killed, including his pregnant wife and two daughters, 18-month-old Qamar and 2 1/2-year-old Nour. A strange smell lingered, nine days after the attack.
Nuseir, 25, said he ran from the shelter to a nearby clinic and fainted. After he was revived, he returned to the shelter and found his wife and daughters dead, with foam coming from their mouths.
He and two other residents accused the rebel Army of Islam of carrying out the attack. As they spoke, government troops were not far away but out of earshot. Nuseir said a gas cylinder was found leaking the poison gas, adding that he didn’t think it was dropped from the air because it still looked intact.
Hahahah so residents are saying the rebels did it but it's implied they're lying? Fuck outta here
also check out this. america
Good morning. Senators introduced a bipartisan war authorization bill last night to update the president's legal authority to bomb places.
— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) April 17, 2018
It would expand Trump's authority.https://t.co/e9uIqsBkcj
tears posted:trip report:
went and marched around in a circle with a syrian arab republic flag to do my bit by shouting dont do the bombs at the people in the bookies, the people in the supermarket, the people eating food. a proscribed route pattern of course. the feds drove their waggons infront and behind. most of the people were greatful for the cops, keeping them safe, shuffling them around the circult, managing us. A carnival atmosphere prevades, people are drinking, i can smell weed, someone playing a drum, lots of chanting
"no syrian arab republic flags at this demonstration please. we need to oppose ALL war in syria. Oppose all dictators. this is about preventing britain bombing syria, not about supporting genocidal maniacs" said someone with a stop the war logo in the facebook profile picture
there was an adjenda of speakers, a sound system, dreadful music, stop the war brought all this, they took a bit of a downhill turn once everyone but the paid state agents left after the anger at the invasion of iraq disapated, they plan the march, set the ajenda, parade their speakers, call the cops,
the next speaker got up and flew the flag of the "free syria army", a flag of mercenaries, rapists, murderers and cia agents. he said some words into the sound system about assad, who gassed his own people, hed seen it, no war with syria eccept the covert war please, there was cheering,
after that we did the march, and they rolled out one last speaker, "there have been some good humanitarian interventions by britain in the past but this is not one," every one was told well done and given a pat on the back, like and subscribe to stop the war on facebook and twitter, lets keep this going, the next march will becoming up soon with 90% less attendance
doubt we stopped the war tbh
i was at the answer/psl protest at the white house. it was small, a few dozen people, near the semi-permanent "free tibet" stand and occasionally being interrupted by a lone competing proselytizing guy whose topic was jesus and abortions or something. becker spoke and so did some other answer people, and partners from code pink, veterans for peace, etc. a young syrian lady named rema too. everyone was pretty good at this, it was just disappointingly small because of how complacent the american public is about the non-war at home type of war that empire wages these days
anyway my question is, what's the deal with thug lessons
ilmdge posted:tears posted:trip report:
went and marched around in a circle with a syrian arab republic flag to do my bit by shouting dont do the bombs at the people in the bookies, the people in the supermarket, the people eating food. a proscribed route pattern of course. the feds drove their waggons infront and behind. most of the people were greatful for the cops, keeping them safe, shuffling them around the circult, managing us. A carnival atmosphere prevades, people are drinking, i can smell weed, someone playing a drum, lots of chanting
"no syrian arab republic flags at this demonstration please. we need to oppose ALL war in syria. Oppose all dictators. this is about preventing britain bombing syria, not about supporting genocidal maniacs" said someone with a stop the war logo in the facebook profile picture
there was an adjenda of speakers, a sound system, dreadful music, stop the war brought all this, they took a bit of a downhill turn once everyone but the paid state agents left after the anger at the invasion of iraq disapated, they plan the march, set the ajenda, parade their speakers, call the cops,
the next speaker got up and flew the flag of the "free syria army", a flag of mercenaries, rapists, murderers and cia agents. he said some words into the sound system about assad, who gassed his own people, hed seen it, no war with syria eccept the covert war please, there was cheering,
after that we did the march, and they rolled out one last speaker, "there have been some good humanitarian interventions by britain in the past but this is not one," every one was told well done and given a pat on the back, like and subscribe to stop the war on facebook and twitter, lets keep this going, the next march will becoming up soon with 90% less attendance
doubt we stopped the war tbhi was at the answer/psl protest at the white house. it was small, a few dozen people, near the semi-permanent "free tibet" stand and occasionally being interrupted by a lone competing proselytizing guy whose topic was jesus and abortions or something. becker spoke and so did some other answer people, and partners from code pink, veterans for peace, etc. a young syrian lady named rema too. everyone was pretty good at this, it was just disappointingly small because of how complacent the american public is about the non-war at home type of war that empire wages these days
PSL+ANSWER DC actions would likely be better attended if they joined UNAC, which has the correct politics on imperialism and many constituent orgs in VA, instead of constantly trying to start their own front groups and solo demos. or if they did outreach into the majority black city theyre based in
Edited by JohnBeige ()
Initial sponsors (list in formation): ANSWER Coalition; Justice First; Family and Friends of Incarcerated People; CODEPINK; Popular Resistance; Partnership for Civil Justice Fund; Imam Mahdi Bray, National Director of the American Muslim Alliance; Stop Police Terror Project DC; Virginia Defenders for Freedom, Justice & Equality; Internationalist Students Front at George Washington University; Returning Citizens United, ONE DC; Many Languages One Voice (MLOV); Party for Socialism and Liberation
ilmdge posted:has he gone full dark enlightenment these days?
thug lessons has recently taken a break from yelling about assadists to yelling about environmentalism and calling everyone an ecofascist anprim iirc
ilmdge posted:It was not a solo demo, i mentioned some of the cosponsors in my post, heeres a complete list:
Initial sponsors (list in formation): ANSWER Coalition; Justice First; Family and Friends of Incarcerated People; CODEPINK; Popular Resistance; Partnership for Civil Justice Fund; Imam Mahdi Bray, National Director of the American Muslim Alliance; Stop Police Terror Project DC; Virginia Defenders for Freedom, Justice & Equality; Internationalist Students Front at George Washington University; Returning Citizens United, ONE DC; Many Languages One Voice (MLOV); Party for Socialism and Liberation
i should have been more specific tbh, i meant they should have reached out to those they didnt already have relations with. 9 of those orgs have PSL members in them.
Ufuk_Surekli posted:
A Syrian colonel I came across behind one of these buildings asked if I wanted to see how deep the tunnels were. I stopped after well over a mile when he cryptically observed that “this tunnel might reach as far as Britain”
Ufuk_Surekli posted:has this been posted yet? amazed to see something as off-message as this slip past the censors
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html
Lol at that earnest journalist's increasing confusion as he keeps trying to ask Douma residents about the "infamous gas attack" and they have no idea what the fuck he is talking about.
littlegreenpills posted:ilmdge posted:has he gone full dark enlightenment these days?
thug lessons has recently taken a break from yelling about assadists to yelling about environmentalism and calling everyone an ecofascist anprim iirc
next-levelling the left straight into the stupidest and most reactionary lines possible while mingling with gamerfash is a fate we must all contend with, im afraid
kamelred posted:littlegreenpills posted:ilmdge posted:has he gone full dark enlightenment these days?
thug lessons has recently taken a break from yelling about assadists to yelling about environmentalism and calling everyone an ecofascist anprim iirc
next-levelling the left straight into the stupidest and most reactionary lines possible while mingling with gamerfash is a fate we must all contend with, im afraid
sic semper anime
kamelred posted:littlegreenpills posted:ilmdge posted:has he gone full dark enlightenment these days?
thug lessons has recently taken a break from yelling about assadists to yelling about environmentalism and calling everyone an ecofascist anprim iirc
next-levelling the left straight into the stupidest and most reactionary lines possible while mingling with gamerfash is a fate we must all contend with, im afraid
rip morrissey 😓
ilmdge posted:has he gone full dark enlightenment these days?
he's pretty much the same as he was when he last posted here. I like reading his twitter because he is deep into all these corner-case inter-radical debates so he'll rail against these very specific small groups i haven't paid any attention to since i was in high school, he's like "we must stop the anarcho primitivist takeover of the left!" and i'm like oh wow those people still exist?? i think of it like a look into a possible future where the only politics on earth are like that
In briefing to Congress, DNI, SecDef, and SecState provided zero real evidence. Referenced info circulating online. Which means either they chose not to provide proof to Congress or they don’t have conclusive proof that Assad carried out gas attack. Either way, not good.
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) April 19, 2018
e.g. is foaming at the mouth an actual symptom of hypoxia?
don't gases which displace air cause hypoxia?
maybe that part of things is Not His Job, though (or perhaps anything more corroborated would not have been published, probably this)
Ufuk_Surekli posted:mind you, lest anyone think that the deliberate fabrication of chemical weapon attacks as a justification for war is worth a bit more coverage or investigation, please be advised that even if it IS all made up, you still have to support the rebels, you monster
The interesting thing is the blackmail behind this, that being if if you even just entertain alternative explanations you're worshiping a dictator. It's not only you have to support the rebels, you have to believe them as well, always.
Also, “I could therefore write pieces for the Mail critical of Labour and the left, from ‘inside’ Labour and the left... I’d like to write a piece for the Mail making the left-wing case against abortion.”http://www.anorak.co.uk/369161/reviews/dear-daily-mail-editor-mehdi-hasan-asks-paul-dacre-for-a-job.html
Ufuk_Surekli posted:mind you, lest anyone think that the deliberate fabrication of chemical weapon attacks as a justification for war is worth a bit more coverage or investigation, please be advised that even if it IS all made up, you still have to support the rebels, you monster
Was Assad any less of a war criminal when members of his notorious mukhabarat were repeatedly whipping Maher Arar with electrical cables in 2003, at the behest of the U.S. government and long before the Arab Spring kicked off in 2011? The Syrian president was an eager accomplice in the Bush administration’s “extraordinary rendition” program, and Syria became one of the “most common” destinations for rendered suspects. To quote former CIA agent Robert Baer: “If you want a serious interrogation, you send a prisoner to Jordan. If you want them to be tortured, you send them to Syria.”
The monster Bashar al-Assad and the people of Syria must be held accountable for the heinous crimes of the United States of America, checkmate anti-interventionists!
Actually hold on a minute, I think this guy's on to something. Maybe the United States of America should destroy every state that has committed the crime of cooperation with the USA, starting from the most cooperative and working its way down. I have a convenient list of 50 to start with,
ilmdge posted:One Twitter account identified by the UK Government as being a Russian bot, @Partisangirl,
ilmdge posted:hilarious they identified a prominent youtuber specifically when they decided to name names with the bots. like i know it's a propaganda campaign where anyone who disagrees with the official line becomes a bot, but accusing someone who has appeared on video for years of being one is just shooting yourself in the foot
yet they still managed to miss shubelmorgan
ilmdge posted:It's in The Guardian too
lol well now that you mention it my comment works just as well for the guardian
Caesura109 posted:Man why cant Americans just start a civil war and take each other put like they always secretly want to do
do you know what that war was about
ilmdge posted:One Twitter account identified by the UK Government as being a Russian bot, @Partisangirl,