#2161
Military intelligence? Ha! More like unquestioned military dominance of the entire world through a blood-drenched exterminatory reign of occupation in unwavering service to organized capital! Talk about a contradiction in terms!
#2162
#2163
These motherfuckers are actually doing it. Death to amerika. Death to imperialism
#2164
Dta!!! They keep doing this there has to be some way to stop them
#2165
Fuck to amerika
#2166
Requesting a higher agitation ratio. There. That’s fine with us. Just, get that beat.
#2167


less than 12 hours before the bombings.
#2168
"The purposeless massacres perpetrated since the June and October events, the tedious offering of sacrifices since February and March, the very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror...We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."
-Marx 1849

Just you wait Amerika.
#2169
hands off syria ya fuckin dickheads
#2170
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#2171
The Syrian Arab Army shot 28/30 missiles down and is talking mad shit on the US military on fb

One of the waves, 30 missiles were inbound, 28 destroyed and only 2 reached their intended targets, then the US secretary of Defense comes and say their attack was a success?!

A complete Anti Access/Areal Denial area was enforced by Syrian Air Defenses and SyAAF, and against who, the United States, UK and France; good luck facing Russia, if we were you we wouldn't threaten the Russians so much.

Just the team member of the page who are in SyAAD cost the US tax payers over 500 million in destroyed Tomahawk missiles; and for that, well, most expensive target practice ever, at least we weren't the ones paying tho.

Hey good move Donald J. Trump, how big are your hands now?! You embarrassed the US Military like no one else.

On a more serious note, a full comprehensive report will be up when possible.

#2172
finally, a worthwhile use for facebook
#2173

JohnBeige posted:

The Syrian Arab Army shot 28/30 missiles down and is talking mad shit on the US military on fb

One of the waves, 30 missiles were inbound, 28 destroyed and only 2 reached their intended targets, then the US secretary of Defense comes and say their attack was a success?!

A complete Anti Access/Areal Denial area was enforced by Syrian Air Defenses and SyAAF, and against who, the United States, UK and France; good luck facing Russia, if we were you we wouldn't threaten the Russians so much.

Just the team member of the page who are in SyAAD cost the US tax payers over 500 million in destroyed Tomahawk missiles; and for that, well, most expensive target practice ever, at least we weren't the ones paying tho.

Hey good move Donald J. Trump, how big are your hands now?! You embarrassed the US Military like no one else.

On a more serious note, a full comprehensive report will be up when possible.




similar info with different numbers from this syrian mp?:

#2174

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

JohnBeige posted:

The Syrian Arab Army shot 28/30 missiles down and is talking mad shit on the US military on fb

One of the waves, 30 missiles were inbound, 28 destroyed and only 2 reached their intended targets, then the US secretary of Defense comes and say their attack was a success?!

A complete Anti Access/Areal Denial area was enforced by Syrian Air Defenses and SyAAF, and against who, the United States, UK and France; good luck facing Russia, if we were you we wouldn't threaten the Russians so much.

Just the team member of the page who are in SyAAD cost the US tax payers over 500 million in destroyed Tomahawk missiles; and for that, well, most expensive target practice ever, at least we weren't the ones paying tho.

Hey good move Donald J. Trump, how big are your hands now?! You embarrassed the US Military like no one else.

On a more serious note, a full comprehensive report will be up when possible.

similar info with different numbers from this syrian mp?:



I think the quote that JohnBeige posted implies that they shot down 28/30 missiles in one wave. It seems there were other waves that let more missiles through, they just chose the most successful one to brag about. Still, if that's true then that's over 2/3 of the missiles shot down.

#2175
Arent these "punishment for gassing people!" strikes largely performative, especially when compared to the far more devious and destructive indirect intervention? I was slightly worried that instead of launching some cruise missiles and feeling smug like last time, they would actually go for WWIII now. This gets much more attention than it warrants.
#2176

Dimashq posted:


wow

#2177
also i didn't realize that the UK ambassador to the UN was someone's midlife crisis aunt whose job is merely to haltingly read pieces of paper out loud as if she was in elementary school english class. good shit.

i am glad their missiles were mostly useless and i hope that this ejaculation serves enough propaganda purpose that they move on to their next impotent rage target
#2178
ahahahahahaha
#2179

drwhat posted:

also i didn't realize that the UK ambassador to the UN was someone's midlife crisis aunt whose job is merely to haltingly read pieces of paper out loud



actually we deliberately sent our nan to the UN as a crass signal that we dgaf about international law any more, we just bomb whoever we like

#2180
just said fuck amerikkka while exhaling a pro-tier vape cloud, hope this helps
#2181
the AQ special ability either needs to be buffed or the cooldown dramatically reduced cause it does not warrant 12 months atm
#2182
the technical term is "refractory period"
#2183
As scary as it all was, now that it's morning it's clear the empire has entirely lost in Syria. They thought they would scare Russia with insane brinkmanship, a diplomatic crisis, sanctions, whatever. All their tools failed, and Russia asserted its place in a newly multipolar world by telling the US, UK, and France that their ships and planes will be destroyed if they attack Russian assets. So they backed down and launched another impotent missile barrage instead of whatever spectacle they had planned before. Ever since the liberation of Aleppo and maybe even earlier, the American empire has had only two options left. Admit defeat, or enter a war in which they know they'll either be defeated conventionally or as a casualty of worldwide nuclear apocalypse. Last night they chose to admit defeat even if they claim it was "mission accomplished". Nothing more than empty words.
#2184
I mostly agree but they did use planes in their attack, they just didn't have to go further than Lebanese airspace, and Russia never scrambled their Air Force to strike back. They're vowing retribution but are careful not to say in what way. No one really comes away from this with a clean victory, and yet more capital destruction in Syria has occurred.
#2185
I get the feeling that Russia didn't scramble the air force because they had advance knowledge of what would happen. It's not a clean victory, but the empire has proven they are unwilling to escalate beyond the current status quo, and the current status quo is Syria being liberated piece by piece. It's only a matter of time before Syria has full sovereignty.
#2186

JohnBeige posted:

No one really comes away from this with a clean victory,



I disagree. This is a catastrophe for the FUKUS imperial forces. In part magnified by deliberate and intentional incompetence on the part of the Aggressor nations militaries. Someone somewhere designed this Aggression to fail. Not even the amerkkkan military is incompetent enough to send 100 subsonic cruise missiles from non-stealth platforms into a forewarned multilayered air defense network without a single anti-radiation missile or jamming. Take nothing away from the SyAADF's heroics, this was very obviously the actions of a military scared shitless of the consequences but unwilling to disobey orders.

Russian (and presumably others) military intelligence got to collect massive critical electronic warfare and radar information on FUKUS weapons and planes using the most advanced Russian systems which have never been present in the crosshairs of an imperial attack yet. Iran's reverse engineers probably have a pile of new parts to play with. FUKUS forces got to watch Vietnam War era missiles go ham on their entire non-nuclear offensive capacity, while Russia coordinated the defense from their command and control post without wasting or showing the real capabilities of their most advanced weapons. Iran, Russia, and possibly even China and DPRK have a wealth of new information to incorporate into their defenses against imperial Aggression.

24 hours ago, OPCW only needed to find a single trace of CW, which could have easily been planted in Ghouta for the false flag's lies to hold. Now, Syria can march the OPCW right into the wreckage of their "chemical weapons production and storage facilities" to verify to the entire world that nothing existed in any site. This is a horrific blunder by the imperials. They handed Syria and Russia an ironclad defense against CW accusations and strong support for the false flag theory.

And this was all just minutes before Russia revealed that the neutral lab in Switzerland which OPCW gave Skripal evidence to just confirmed the chemical was a US/UK nerve agent, BZ, instead of Novichok.

Russia, Syria, Bolivia, and anyone supporting or leaning their way at the UN or elsewhere have all very clearly used the exact same language in describing this event: Aggression. The entirety of UK statements in public and at UNSC are basically just begging anyone on the planet to believe this was legal.

This isn't over.

#2187

sovnarkoman posted:

ahahahahahaha



he's what i imagine the child of dan quinn and clint eastwood to be like

#2188
So the propaganda line has shifted again to accomodate the fact that (a) a forewarned Syria was able to evacuate all targeted sites in advance, and (b) they were obviously not chemical weapons facilities. Here's the NYT parroting 'senior intelligence sources'

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/14/us/politics/syria-chemical-weapons-analysis.html posted:

A Hard Lesson in Syria: Assad Can Still Gas His Own People

...

After Saturday’s predawn strike in Syria on three suspected chemical weapons sites, government officials and outside experts agreed that the attack, while double the size of last year’s, was unlikely to eliminate Mr. Assad’s ability to gas his own people yet again.

The sites struck on Saturday were described by Lt. Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, who leads the Joint Staff at the Pentagon, as “fundamental components of the regime’s chemical weapons warfare infrastructure.” They may have been in the past, but it is unclear they were still in active use when American, French and British forces leveled them.

So far, officials say, two factors make them wonder whether the facilities were still central to Syria’s program. At this point, there are no known casualties at the sites, which suggests that either no one was there during the evening, or they had been previously abandoned. And there are no reports of chemical agent leakage from the sites, despite attacks by more than 100 sea- and air-launched missiles.

Whether those particular sites were still in use or not, the conflict in Syria has demonstrated a larger truth: While it is easy to blow up Mr. Assad’s chemical facilities, it is also relatively simple for him to reconstitute them elsewhere, or just turn to a commercially available substance like chlorine to make a crude poison that any nation is allowed to possess.

...

Sophisticated facilities are not needed to produce chlorine, the agent that Syrian forces are suspected to have used a week ago to kill dozens of civilians, including children. It is commercially available, used for water systems. And the nerve agent sarin, which the White House has said may also have been used a week ago, can be produced just about anywhere, as a French intelligence report released on Saturday noted.

The report concludes that “the Syrian military retains expertise from its traditional chemical weapons agent program to both use sarin and produce and deploy chlorine munitions.” The United States, it noted, “also assesses the regime still has chemicals — specifically sarin and chlorine — that it can use in future attacks.”


I wonder what US domestic propaganda law they get around by having to quote a French report to say what the US 'assessment' is lol

#2189
I expected very few causalities, but zero just makes it obvious that Washington already has a line on Syria, and is in close contact with all parties, and this is performative nonsense that the other parties don't in fact worry too much about. At best its something for the polls at home and some saber-rattling that Syrian and Russia are annoyed by.
#2190
lol roger waters became a tankie
#2191

Buzzfeed claims syrians are sad they didn't get bombed harder lol
#2192
it's a wonder that Rami al-Sayyed, a freelance photographer in Damascus's al-Yarmouk camp for displaced people, feels so secure giving his name out while promoting the view that more of his neighbors should have died
#2193
so it's clear enough that the reason they backpedalled and billed this as a limited punitive strike was because it is now 100% clear that the syrian air defense system is robust, deadly, and establishing air supremacy before a ground invasion may be impossible and will involve billions of innocent dollars in plane casualties
#2194
also why has no-one brought up the fact that the rebels totally have the technical capacity to manufacture, use, and kill with chlorine. the german army in 1915 had that. yer boyfriends uncle who owns a pool cleaning business, a set of truck nuts and a Rei Ayanami body pillow has that
#2195

colddays posted:

As scary as it all was, now that it's morning it's clear the empire has entirely lost in Syria. They thought they would scare Russia with insane brinkmanship, a diplomatic crisis, sanctions, whatever. All their tools failed, and Russia asserted its place in a newly multipolar world by telling the US, UK, and France that their ships and planes will be destroyed if they attack Russian assets. So they backed down and launched another impotent missile barrage instead of whatever spectacle they had planned before. Ever since the liberation of Aleppo and maybe even earlier, the American empire has had only two options left. Admit defeat, or enter a war in which they know they'll either be defeated conventionally or as a casualty of worldwide nuclear apocalypse. Last night they chose to admit defeat even if they claim it was "mission accomplished". Nothing more than empty words.


obama sucks obviously, and funded rebels with billions for years, but it was his hesitancy to launch direct attacks on the SAA that let the moment slip. if hillary or trump had been in his place at the time of that "red line" bullshit, the bombing absolutely would have commenced. obama instead was more measured, ended up seeking congressional approval and failing, and made that deal with russia to destroy the weapons.

and then in the near aftermath russia gets much more involved in syria such that attempting to overthrow the syrian government would be a lot more complex with more repercussions at this point, and trump doesnt have the same opening that obama let pass by. lol nice

vox was crying about obama's red line just the other day
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/15/17238568/syria-bomb-trump-obama-russia

#2196
https://goo.gl/maps/F8w7HuKrkpQ2 Barzeh research facility for solar power, pollution, snake antivenin, and barrel bomb chemical weapons

No guard stations on approaching roads. No wall. No signs of even a fence on satellite or on the ground photos. Unreinforced masonry construction with a ton of windows at ground level. Building backed to a hill to the north and west, with dense residential districts on all other sides within 1000 feet, downhill.

Clearly Bashar Al Assad cares so little about the lives of the people that he left all his chemical weapons sitting in a completely unsecured non-military building just 3 miles away from the jihadi front lines, where any child could stumble upon them and die horribly, while they were going to science school, in that building. Where any release of a heavier than air gas would propagate downhill, exterminating half the town of uhh...checking notes here...Damascus.

Wait a second, something here just doesn't quite add up. Can someone send brown moses to check the wikipedia page for chemical weapons security procedures of the Syrian Army to answer some questions?
#2197

cars posted:

you can bet that any location in Syria that might be claimed later by the U.S. government to store or produce chemical weapons is going to be blasted into dust before anyone can get a definitive look at it



*Dateline music & slow zoom on monochrome version of my Posts* *voiceover* Looking back on it, they did try that line exactly, but i'm honestly surprised at how badly it's worked out for them so far

#2198

Petrol posted:

So the propaganda line has shifted again to accomodate the fact that (a) a forewarned Syria was able to evacuate all targeted sites in advance, and (b) they were obviously not chemical weapons facilities. Here's the NYT parroting 'senior intelligence sources'



yes & probably the whole point of phrasing it that way is to push the inevitable message in elections to come that says Democrats are 69% better at dropping bombs on cities without warning. please like subscribe & donate to the effort by giving money to the DSA primary candidate so it can roll into a slush fund to sell that message a few months later

#2199

littlegreenpills posted:

so it's clear enough that the reason they backpedalled and billed this as a limited punitive strike was because it is now 100% clear that the syrian air defense system is robust, deadly, and establishing air supremacy before a ground invasion may be impossible and will involve billions of innocent dollars in plane casualties


i saw some article that was like 'russian online trolls have increased 2000 fold after the attacks, posting claims that around 70% of the missiles were intercepted by air defence systems'

#2200
this made me lol a little

Moreover, now that eastern Ghouta has finally been cleared of terrorists, it turns out that Nato troops, including British troops, had surreptitiously been stationed in the area in preparation for an assault on Damascus. This assault was, in the event, frustrated when the Syrian government succeeded in liberating the area within only a few weeks from starting its offensive.

“According to a report by Al-Mayadeen news channel cited by Fars news, a number of British troops have been captured during the Syrian Arab Army’s operations in eastern Ghouta.

“They are believed to be a part of international military forces deployed in the region to launch a ground assault in Damascus in cooperation with the US. According to the report, the US and other Nato countries, Jordan and Israel planned to launch attacks from several fronts, but the plot failed as Syrian armed forces made a series of rapid advances in eastern Ghouta in March.

“The plot allegedly involved massive airstrikes by US and Israeli planes that were supposed to pave the way for ground forces …

“Since the plot failed due to rapid advances by the Syrian army, the US cancelled all operations planned for these foreign forces and ordered an immediate withdrawal from eastern Ghouta through the eastern suburbs of Damascus, including Douma.

“The US and Turkey sought to rescue foreign ‘militants and agents operating for Israel, Jordan and Nato’, now trapped in Ghouta, and move them to Idlib, the source says.

“The Turkish initiative to help with the evacuation of al-Nusra Front terrorists from Ghouta has reportedly been a cover-up for ‘special foreign forces that were among the ranks of the Al-Qaeda-affiliated’ Nusra Front terror organisation.

“‘Therefore, the US has ordered Jaysh al-Islam, Faylaq al-Rahman and other terrorist groups to allow the evacuation of civilians from eastern Ghouta to army-held regions in a bid to provide the ground for these foreign agents to also leave Ghouta in disguise, and enable the Turkish intelligence service to send them to specified regions in At-Tanf and northern Syria which are under the control of US troops,’ the source said.” (Syrian army captures British militants in eastern Ghouta – reports, Sputnik, 12 April 2018)

It would seem, however, that somebody forgot to tell the British troops, who remained in eastern Ghouta to be captured and thus give the whole game away.

https://www.cpgb-ml.org/2018/04/13/news/imperialist-plans-for-a-major-war-as-rats-cleared-out-of-eastern-ghouta-syria/