#601
Well that's some amount of cold comfort I guess.
#602
imo he mentioned pewpewpie because he identified both the youtuber and the audience as ripe to be radicalized and sensitive to accusations sensitive to accusations that they are more extreme than they are and everyone is playing into his hands. probably also the motive behind mentioning Candice Owens in the manifesto too
#603
ya the manifesto is full of all those really obvious pepe frog guy rhetorical games. which the media will focus on exclusively because nobody has any of the basic historical knowledge required to talk about the actual political tendencies at play. online journalists know who candice owens is but will need a medium article to explain oswald mosley to them.

but to be fair i'm not actually sure to what extent these 8chan radicalised guys actually read the archaic fascist traditions they cite or if they just do so for a vague air of legitimacy.
#604
this guy played way too much crusader kings
#605

blinkandwheeze posted:

ya the manifesto is full of all those really obvious pepe frog guy rhetorical games. which the media will focus on exclusively because nobody has any of the basic historical knowledge required to talk about the actual political tendencies at play. online journalists know who candice owens is but will need a medium article to explain oswald mosley to them.

but to be fair i'm not actually sure to what extent these 8chan radicalised guys actually read the archaic fascist traditions they cite or if they just do so for a vague air of legitimacy.


Some do but fascist lit is mostly a slog. If you ever look at required reading lists for some of the organized groups you'll see "Mein Kampf" and then some terrible race-war pornography. The book "Siege" (favored by the school shooter set) is just a collection of newsletters: awful blog / 4chan-style rants from the 1980s. The neo-Nazi scene elevates it as holy writ but it's almost unreadable. The difference back then is you'd first encounter the newsletters (here in the U.S.) in the form of classified ads in the back of crypto-fascist "Patriot" newspapers handed out at gun shows. Send a check and have them delivered via P.O. Box.

"Iron Gates" has been circulating more recently, which is just post-apocalyptic murder porn with details I won't post here as it's likely illegal in multiple countries. Absolutely wretched. Also "The Turner Diaries." It says a lot that the most influential book this scene produced since "Mein Kampf" is the white-power equivalent of an Uwe Boll movie (no offense to Uwe Boll). That was written by perhaps the movement's most important ideologue in the Anglophone world in the past half-century. Says a lot right there. I haven't read it, but if I recall, the main character of the novel is inspired by a Nazi book within the novel (Pierce of course was not capable of writing this book in reality) that shows the protagonist the blazing-light truth of Nazi race war. The ideological master-text for their ideology is something that exists in their heads. The fascist mindset isn't concerned with the words on the page but the hardback binding up on the shelf beaming down on you, and when you open the book you are hit with an overpowering, blinding flash of light that consumes the world.

#606
don't forget camp of the saints, which is directly about refugees-as-invaders, and which is promoted as "thought provoking" within the mainstream right (Rod Dreher, Steve King, future president Tucker Carlson)
#607
I think the right has always been about preserving and -- if possible -- restoring traditional patterns of deference and command. Social relations should be fixed. Some men are fit to command and others are to be commanded and that is the natural order of things, and if you mess with this stuff then people get very confused. They think "culture" (i.e. race) determines everything. I've never watched Pewds but from what I've read secondhand I reckon he thinks other people are just stupid apes who should be told what to do and are there for his amusement. Same with Tucker Carlson and so on. They don't even need to hate other people. 'You know the other races would be happier being our slaves if you think about it; it's really a pity they don't know what to do with their freedom. Sad.' Or they say women enjoy being hit or whatever.

But fascists, for whatever reason, understand dimly enough that conservatism has its limits because social relations are constantly changing under capitalism (which they displace onto Jews). I'm with Moishe Postone on this one. The moment the right gets its act together and attempts to re-fix social relations, the ground shifts again just as suddenly. All that is solid melts into air, blah blah, you know what I'm talking about. So it's a really extreme reaction.

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#608
We do ourselves a disservice specifically discussing pewdiepie or anything else that sick fuck memed about. Most of that was nonsense. Suffice to note that a person like him can be fostered and encouraged by the imageboard environment, and that blood-and-soil nazism and ecofascism have found a successful enough retread there to help inspire irl violence
#609
Five eyes look upon us, seeing all, knowing all, inspiring all.
#610
actually far-right Internet nerds are brain-broken idiots & they don't read anything but the Internet.
#611
#612

Petrol posted:

We do ourselves a disservice specifically discussing pewdiepie or anything else that sick fuck memed about. Most of that was nonsense. Suffice to note that a person like him can be fostered and encouraged by the imageboard environment, and that blood-and-soil nazism and ecofascism have found a successful enough retread there to help inspire irl violence



i feel that the pewdiepie thing functions in essentially the same way as the "ok" hand symbol in that it depends on a bewildered and offended conservative victim complex 'how could X possibly be bad!?', then a more confident fascist right deliberately rolling it into their own mythology as a plausible deniability/dogwhistle symbol.

check out the people pewdiepie follows on twitter, it's a who's-who of the north american cryptofascists. all the big names are there. the open fascists are definitely aware of this i think.

#613
yes let's all check out who this YouTube guy follows on Twitter. do it right the fuck now.
#614
whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!
#615

cars posted:

whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!



#616

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

cars posted:

whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!



#617
Anning's event today is going about as well as can be expected 😂


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#618
presstv aint loading for me but i am v interested to read their article headlined "New Zealand gunman mind-controlled by 9/11 false flag operation: Analyst"
#619
to their credit, any irony-poisoned rhetoric is gonna look like some sort of mkultra-induced codetalk to 90% of geopolitical observers.
#620
lol at the egg
#621
anning eat the eggs
#622

cars posted:

whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!



i ll spoil it: it s getfiscal

#623

red_dread posted:

to their credit, any irony-poisoned rhetoric is gonna look like some sort of mkultra-induced codetalk to 90% of geopolitical observers.



look like?

#624

red_dread posted:


mkultra-induced-irony-poisoning.jpg

#625
#626
throwback to 2018

#627
throwback to 2017