#601
Well that's some amount of cold comfort I guess.
#602
imo he mentioned pewpewpie because he identified both the youtuber and the audience as ripe to be radicalized and sensitive to accusations sensitive to accusations that they are more extreme than they are and everyone is playing into his hands. probably also the motive behind mentioning Candice Owens in the manifesto too
#603
ya the manifesto is full of all those really obvious pepe frog guy rhetorical games. which the media will focus on exclusively because nobody has any of the basic historical knowledge required to talk about the actual political tendencies at play. online journalists know who candice owens is but will need a medium article to explain oswald mosley to them.

but to be fair i'm not actually sure to what extent these 8chan radicalised guys actually read the archaic fascist traditions they cite or if they just do so for a vague air of legitimacy.
#604
this guy played way too much crusader kings
#605

blinkandwheeze posted:

ya the manifesto is full of all those really obvious pepe frog guy rhetorical games. which the media will focus on exclusively because nobody has any of the basic historical knowledge required to talk about the actual political tendencies at play. online journalists know who candice owens is but will need a medium article to explain oswald mosley to them.

but to be fair i'm not actually sure to what extent these 8chan radicalised guys actually read the archaic fascist traditions they cite or if they just do so for a vague air of legitimacy.


Some do but fascist lit is mostly a slog. If you ever look at required reading lists for some of the organized groups you'll see "Mein Kampf" and then some terrible race-war pornography. The book "Siege" (favored by the school shooter set) is just a collection of newsletters: awful blog / 4chan-style rants from the 1980s. The neo-Nazi scene elevates it as holy writ but it's almost unreadable. The difference back then is you'd first encounter the newsletters (here in the U.S.) in the form of classified ads in the back of crypto-fascist "Patriot" newspapers handed out at gun shows. Send a check and have them delivered via P.O. Box.

"Iron Gates" has been circulating more recently, which is just post-apocalyptic murder porn with details I won't post here as it's likely illegal in multiple countries. Absolutely wretched. Also "The Turner Diaries." It says a lot that the most influential book this scene produced since "Mein Kampf" is the white-power equivalent of an Uwe Boll movie (no offense to Uwe Boll). That was written by perhaps the movement's most important ideologue in the Anglophone world in the past half-century. Says a lot right there. I haven't read it, but if I recall, the main character of the novel is inspired by a Nazi book within the novel (Pierce of course was not capable of writing this book in reality) that shows the protagonist the blazing-light truth of Nazi race war. The ideological master-text for their ideology is something that exists in their heads. The fascist mindset isn't concerned with the words on the page but the hardback binding up on the shelf beaming down on you, and when you open the book you are hit with an overpowering, blinding flash of light that consumes the world.

#606
don't forget camp of the saints, which is directly about refugees-as-invaders, and which is promoted as "thought provoking" within the mainstream right (Rod Dreher, Steve King, future president Tucker Carlson)
#607
I think the right has always been about preserving and -- if possible -- restoring traditional patterns of deference and command. Social relations should be fixed. Some men are fit to command and others are to be commanded and that is the natural order of things, and if you mess with this stuff then people get very confused. They think "culture" (i.e. race) determines everything. I've never watched Pewds but from what I've read secondhand I reckon he thinks other people are just stupid apes who should be told what to do and are there for his amusement. Same with Tucker Carlson and so on. They don't even need to hate other people. 'You know the other races would be happier being our slaves if you think about it; it's really a pity they don't know what to do with their freedom. Sad.' Or they say women enjoy being hit or whatever.

But fascists, for whatever reason, understand dimly enough that conservatism has its limits because social relations are constantly changing under capitalism (which they displace onto Jews). I'm with Moishe Postone on this one. The moment the right gets its act together and attempts to re-fix social relations, the ground shifts again just as suddenly. All that is solid melts into air, blah blah, you know what I'm talking about. So it's a really extreme reaction.

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#608
We do ourselves a disservice specifically discussing pewdiepie or anything else that sick fuck memed about. Most of that was nonsense. Suffice to note that a person like him can be fostered and encouraged by the imageboard environment, and that blood-and-soil nazism and ecofascism have found a successful enough retread there to help inspire irl violence
#609
Five eyes look upon us, seeing all, knowing all, inspiring all.
#610
actually far-right Internet nerds are brain-broken idiots & they don't read anything but the Internet.
#611
#612

Petrol posted:

We do ourselves a disservice specifically discussing pewdiepie or anything else that sick fuck memed about. Most of that was nonsense. Suffice to note that a person like him can be fostered and encouraged by the imageboard environment, and that blood-and-soil nazism and ecofascism have found a successful enough retread there to help inspire irl violence



i feel that the pewdiepie thing functions in essentially the same way as the "ok" hand symbol in that it depends on a bewildered and offended conservative victim complex 'how could X possibly be bad!?', then a more confident fascist right deliberately rolling it into their own mythology as a plausible deniability/dogwhistle symbol.

check out the people pewdiepie follows on twitter, it's a who's-who of the north american cryptofascists. all the big names are there. the open fascists are definitely aware of this i think.

#613
yes let's all check out who this YouTube guy follows on Twitter. do it right the fuck now.
#614
whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!
#615

cars posted:

whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!



#616

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

cars posted:

whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!



#617
Anning's event today is going about as well as can be expected 😂


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#618
presstv aint loading for me but i am v interested to read their article headlined "New Zealand gunman mind-controlled by 9/11 false flag operation: Analyst"
#619
to their credit, any irony-poisoned rhetoric is gonna look like some sort of mkultra-induced codetalk to 90% of geopolitical observers.
#620
lol at the egg
#621
anning eat the eggs
#622

cars posted:

whoa shocked at who the YouTube guy is following on Twitter! I won't spoil it but whoa this is amazing stuff!



i ll spoil it: it s getfiscal

#623

red_dread posted:

to their credit, any irony-poisoned rhetoric is gonna look like some sort of mkultra-induced codetalk to 90% of geopolitical observers.



look like?

#624

red_dread posted:


mkultra-induced-irony-poisoning.jpg

#625
#626
throwback to 2018

#627
throwback to 2017
#628

Chthonic_Goat_666 posted:

lol at the egg


#629
Gday https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/27/there-is-an-aboriginal-children-crisis-which-would-be-on-the-front-pages-if-they-were-white
#630

Petrol posted:

Gday https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/27/there-is-an-aboriginal-children-crisis-which-would-be-on-the-front-pages-if-they-were-white


#631
federal election looming and as usual it is difficult to work out how the murdoch press would have us vote

#632
imagining the editor who must have sent that cover back for updates because it didn't have enough crazy-looking shit on it yet
#633
shaking my damn head
#634
Going to go out on a limb and give a (qualified) Petrol endorsement to Labor's Indigenous policy https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/08/pat-dodson-says-labors-indigenous-policies-will-be-a-watershed-for-the-nation

I was going to summarise it but it's a short article and worth reading. My endorsement is qualified in that it's obviously not perfect and Labor is still very much the party of the white labour aristocracy, with all the issues that come with that. However it's staggeringly progressive considering how dire the current situation is for First Nations and how little the average voter is concerned with this stuff. Simply having an actual First Nations person as Minister for Indigenous Affairs, let alone one who freely uses the term 'First Nations', is indicative of a serious attitude shift in the ALP, but the policy goes much further than that.

Labor will almost certainly win the coming election and they will bring with them a very mixed bag in terms of policy across the board (including some specifically very bad policy like support for Adani) but it has to be said, this policy is Good and I can only hope it goes ahead as promised, because while it'll hardly fix everything, it'd finally be a step in the right direction.
#635
just a few days left before the big vote cobbers, get ya pokedex out

#636

Petrol posted:

Going to go out on a limb and give a (qualified) Petrol endorsement to Labor's Indigenous policy https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/08/pat-dodson-says-labors-indigenous-policies-will-be-a-watershed-for-the-nation

I was going to summarise it but it's a short article and worth reading. My endorsement is qualified in that it's obviously not perfect and Labor is still very much the party of the white labour aristocracy, with all the issues that come with that. However it's staggeringly progressive considering how dire the current situation is for First Nations and how little the average voter is concerned with this stuff. Simply having an actual First Nations person as Minister for Indigenous Affairs, let alone one who freely uses the term 'First Nations', is indicative of a serious attitude shift in the ALP, but the policy goes much further than that.

Labor will almost certainly win the coming election and they will bring with them a very mixed bag in terms of policy across the board (including some specifically very bad policy like support for Adani) but it has to be said, this policy is Good and I can only hope it goes ahead as promised, because while it'll hardly fix everything, it'd finally be a step in the right direction.


The funding changes for welfare, housing, health care etc are probably better than nothing but obviously don't even scratch the causal factors behind the problems they're allegedly supposed to address.

As for the regional assemblies, don't get your hopes up. Sounds like a bunch of toothless consultation bodies. We have lots of that horseshit in Canada. We have fancy official channels for indigenous people to advise the Canadian government, and they scream "We are dying, the choices you make kill us, this state was founded on genocide and that genocide continues to this day." Parliament smiles politely and nods and business as usual continues.

Our indigenous peoples have sovereign land rights, supposedly, and official bodies to enforce those land rights. Unless they inconveniently get in the way of a pipeline, or a pit mine, or a highway, or an industrial waste dump, or a golf and country club. Then they call you ecoterrorists and the RCMP show up to break children's ribs and tear gas the elderly.

It means nothing to give an occupied people a voice, on the occupiers terms, with no real power for the people to actualize their demands of their own volition. Just a showy way for the colonial brutes to fish for compliments and calmly file away dissent on a dusty ignored shelf. When the imperialist offers "involvement in the decision making process," all they're allowing you is the opportunity to add your own signature to your execution order. To help them bear the terrible burden of murdering you.

#637
I started a long and nuanced response to that but it's all academic now and I'm not in the mood. I may not be in the mood to post for a while actually. Fuck this country into the hell
#638

Petrol posted:

I started a long and nuanced response to that but it's all academic now and I'm not in the mood. I may not be in the mood to post for a while actually. Fuck this country into the hell


Sorry, I wasn't trying to be aggro on you specifically, this stuff just really sets me off. Elections are always hard. Take care and all that.

#639
Thanks. Mood somber. The result hits harder for being a complete shock. It's not like I was terribly excited for a Labor government but I had very much looked forward to the relief that change would have brought. I understand all your caveats about hoping for much from the ALP Indigenous policy but it's hard to overstate how dire the situation is now for First Nations here and how devastating it will be for the conservatives to be returned to government now, probably with a majority. Not to mention how much worse the situation will now be for the environment, workers rights... It was still, as ever, a lesser of two evils election, but in so many important aspects the difference was substantial. I'm sad.

Small comfort can be taken from Fraser '19 votes, 14 words' Anning's failure to get re-elected, and Tony Abbott's unceremonious dumping by his electorate. But it's small comfort indeed.
#640
since everyone seemed to be convinced that labor would win, what do you think happened? why did they lose instead? i've not been following it much at all really but i was under the impression that even their supporters weren't too keen on the coalition at this point