#7921
finally saved enough money from my boring ass cafeteria job to visit most of my family this summer. thanks to the past couple years of west-to-east 24 hour trips the trips across africa and the ME will feel short and quaint this time around. unless i get malaria
#7922

babyhueypnewton posted:

Thug Lessons was a step we all took and left behind in our journey to being mature communists,



I don't think so Tim.

#7923

babyhueypnewton posted:

Thug Lessons was a step we all took and left behind in our journey to being mature communists, the idea that politics is a pathology or that Marxism is merely a step in technological mode of Being or slave morality or wherever semi-fascist critique is a necessary youthful critique that one overcomes to understand Marxism as science.


ok i wrote a bunch of words and then deleted them because it was an emotional reaction and probably came off as needlessly confrontational and i don't actually want to accuse or admonish.

lemme just say it's really fucking creepy when you take a period of your own intellectual development that you now disavow, fine good whatever, then universalize and disperse the blame as "semi-fascist necessary youthfulness" onto an entire community. skin crawlingly creepy. what the fuck dude? i worry about ya.

#7924
its also just stupid
#7925
maybe the real thug lessons was the necessary semi-fascist critique we learned along the way
#7926
wow who cares
#7927

drwhat posted:

wow who cares


a great weight is lifted from my shoulders as i realize i have no reason to care. thank you, cat.

#7928
asking 'who cares?' like 'qui bono?'
#7929
I got another job so now I have two and I'm going to be working 7 days a week for the foreseeable future. But it's all to save up money so I can decolonize by the end of the year. And it's in a zoo so it's nice to check out the animals on my lunch break. I also started taking salsa classes so I can be well-rounded and represent communism well on the dance floor.


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#7930
happy saint patricks day. last year on this cool holiday i saw two muscly guys whimpering and vomiting together in the street, each wearing vomit-stained lucky-clover-green t-shirts that read GREEN LIVES MATTER
#7931
26 +6 = 1
#7932
Was at the Patrick's Day Parade in Dublin today. Not sure I heard a single Irish accent in the crowd, all the songs the marching bands played were Amerikan or "Irish"-Amerikan. A dreadful time frankly! Thank god the Yankees don't care as much about Easter Rising commemorations
#7933
Thinking to check out all the new infrstructure china built in nouakchott when im there this summer. was a good idea not to just loan the money for it, wouldve just been eaten up, like they did with most of the airport money.


still a bit iffy about whether its entirely safe to go though, after the visa-denial and saudi extradition request stuff though

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#7934
do tell

are the saudis getting tips from the spooks undergoing disciplinary hearings who are assigned to read tHE r H u z z o m E as punishment
#7935

shriekingviolet posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Thug Lessons was a step we all took and left behind in our journey to being mature communists, the idea that politics is a pathology or that Marxism is merely a step in technological mode of Being or slave morality or wherever semi-fascist critique is a necessary youthful critique that one overcomes to understand Marxism as science.

ok i wrote a bunch of words and then deleted them because it was an emotional reaction and probably came off as needlessly confrontational and i don't actually want to accuse or admonish.

lemme just say it's really fucking creepy when you take a period of your own intellectual development that you now disavow, fine good whatever, then universalize and disperse the blame as "semi-fascist necessary youthfulness" onto an entire community. skin crawlingly creepy. what the fuck dude? i worry about ya.



Please, I was defending Marxism on this forum for longer than you've had politics. We're posting on the "rhizzone" which used to be exactly what I described, many of the posters pretending to be Marxist now were exactly the kind of semi-fascists I described when it was fashionable while I was considered a radical and without the proper ironic humor. Don't act high and mighty when I was the one who put in work to make this place somewhat interesting, unfortunately the fascists are gone but the grudges remain. In 10 years you'll probably be like them and I'll still be defending Marxism so say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me.

#7936
i've only posted here for a little over a year so thanks for putting in work to make this place somewhat interesting, but the opposite of somewhat interesting is watching decade-long contentious feelings bubble up here and then, and seeing moralistic and annoying arguments about who is and who isn't O.G. marx enough. again: wow who cares?
#7937

ialdabaoth posted:

do tell

are the saudis getting tips from the spooks undergoing disciplinary hearings who are assigned to read tHE r H u z z o m E as punishment



I think i ran through it before but a lot of Arab Springers who came out against the Saudi repressions in Bahrain, UAE support for Sisi and the war in Yemen have ended up on lists which were sent, accompanied with sacks of petrodollars, to their respective governments, for extradition to be jailed indefinitely as terrorists. They span the spectrum from socialists to Muslim Brotherhood reformists, with all the actual jihadis given a flight ticket by those same CIA spook-run Gulf regimes to go to Syria, Pakistan or Yemen. Going on TV or a newspaper and trashing the new Saudi/UAE/Egyptian leadership seems to be their criteria these days.

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#7938

babyhueypnewton posted:

shriekingviolet posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Thug Lessons was a step we all took and left behind in our journey to being mature communists, the idea that politics is a pathology or that Marxism is merely a step in technological mode of Being or slave morality or wherever semi-fascist critique is a necessary youthful critique that one overcomes to understand Marxism as science.

ok i wrote a bunch of words and then deleted them because it was an emotional reaction and probably came off as needlessly confrontational and i don't actually want to accuse or admonish.

lemme just say it's really fucking creepy when you take a period of your own intellectual development that you now disavow, fine good whatever, then universalize and disperse the blame as "semi-fascist necessary youthfulness" onto an entire community. skin crawlingly creepy. what the fuck dude? i worry about ya.

Please, I was defending Marxism on this forum for longer than you've had politics. We're posting on the "rhizzone" which used to be exactly what I described, many of the posters pretending to be Marxist now were exactly the kind of semi-fascists I described when it was fashionable while I was considered a radical and without the proper ironic humor. Don't act high and mighty when I was the one who put in work to make this place somewhat interesting, unfortunately the fascists are gone but the grudges remain. In 10 years you'll probably be like them and I'll still be defending Marxism so say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me.



Chill

#7939

babyhueypnewton posted:

shriekingviolet posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

Thug Lessons was a step we all took and left behind in our journey to being mature communists, the idea that politics is a pathology or that Marxism is merely a step in technological mode of Being or slave morality or wherever semi-fascist critique is a necessary youthful critique that one overcomes to understand Marxism as science.

ok i wrote a bunch of words and then deleted them because it was an emotional reaction and probably came off as needlessly confrontational and i don't actually want to accuse or admonish.

lemme just say it's really fucking creepy when you take a period of your own intellectual development that you now disavow, fine good whatever, then universalize and disperse the blame as "semi-fascist necessary youthfulness" onto an entire community. skin crawlingly creepy. what the fuck dude? i worry about ya.

Please, I was defending Marxism on this forum for longer than you've had politics. We're posting on the "rhizzone" which used to be exactly what I described, many of the posters pretending to be Marxist now were exactly the kind of semi-fascists I described when it was fashionable while I was considered a radical and without the proper ironic humor. Don't act high and mighty when I was the one who put in work to make this place somewhat interesting, unfortunately the fascists are gone but the grudges remain. In 10 years you'll probably be like them and I'll still be defending Marxism so say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me.


lmfao

#7940

babyhueypnewton posted:

Please, I was defending Marxism on this forum for longer than you've had politics. We're posting on the "rhizzone" which used to be exactly what I described, many of the posters pretending to be Marxist now were exactly the kind of semi-fascists I described when it was fashionable while I was considered a radical and without the proper ironic humor. Don't act high and mighty when I was the one who put in work to make this place somewhat interesting, unfortunately the fascists are gone but the grudges remain. In 10 years you'll probably be like them and I'll still be defending Marxism so say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me.


Youve been exactly the same overinflated homophobic sex pest for an entire decade and dozens of posters more politically engaged and educated than you have come through here and done way more to change anyone's politics than your myopic bloviating. The idea that you have any unique personal responsibility for anyones political development here is laughable.

#7941

JohnBeige posted:

Chill

i was the one who was called out, as toyotathon pointed out the difference is i stand up for myself unlike many others who feel intimidated.

c_man posted:

Youve been exactly the same overinflated homophobic sex pest for an entire decade and dozens of posters more politically engaged and educated than you have come through here and done way more to change anyone's politics than your myopic bloviating. The idea that you have any unique personal responsibility for anyones political development here is laughable.


You're the exact kind of liberal who now pretends to be a Marxist I'm talking about, your opinion is of no interest to me. Until people don't allow this kind of personal bullying this place will remain a joke, I'm proud of the number of people who have told me on reddit that I helped them think through Marxism and continually ask me questions.

#7942
I personally came up with the idea for custom colors
#7943
here's a thought: let's try to keep thinking through marxism because its not something to be "had" as some so-called expert, and try to solve questions rather than posture online as stubborn elitists who know more than so-and-so or so-and-so other poster. good for you for answering reddit questions, but really your defensive and endless arguing is extremely annoying to witness and negates the other well-informed and well-reasoned things that you post, especially in light of better or at least funny conversations that could be (and usually are) had here.

get off the fucken site, let's play real life

#7944

babyhueypnewton posted:

Please, I was defending Marxism on this forum for longer than you've had politics.


I was studying the blade.

#7945
Anyway I don't care to perpetuate this, it is tedious. I've been hanging out with some Indian Marxists recently. The good news is they think first world Marxists are as big of a joke as we do. The bad news is they are far more pessimistic about communist possibilities in India. Indian fascism represents a problem for Marxist theory and my friends mostly think it's a matter of the contingency of politics, the particular contradictions of Indian society, and the general shittiness of the present. I will not say any of that is wrong, in fact it's all essential to understand everyday fascism of the RSS which isn't going away no matter the election results next month (which everyone thought Modi would lose until this Kashmir situation, another particularity Indian problem inherited from the "socialist" nationalism of the Congress), but lacks explanatory power and can't be theorized. We've talked about this before but until something more substantive comes out beyond Sakai's single article from over a decade ago our analyses of fascism will continue to tail fascist politics and liberal incredulous reaction. It clearly involves the fundamental shift to a value-based imperialism which reorients what fascism is and where it is possible.
#7946
Yeah I didn't really want to start a squabble either and should have just sat on it. I'm curious about Marxist pessimism in India, my understanding of the situation was that Modi actually has very little popular support as well and was mostly able to get by just through exploiting how fractured India's electoral landscape is and classic fascist tactics of intimidation and suppression by armed gangs in key areas, which while deeply concerning has obvious weaknesses that could be toppled by popular mobilization. If that's not the case I'd love to learn what's up.
#7947

babyhueypnewton posted:

Anyway I don't care to perpetuate this, it is tedious. I've been hanging out with some Indian Marxists recently. The good news is they think first world Marxists are as big of a joke as we do. The bad news is they are far more pessimistic about communist possibilities in India. Indian fascism represents a problem for Marxist theory and my friends mostly think it's a matter of the contingency of politics, the particular contradictions of Indian society, and the general shittiness of the present. I will not say any of that is wrong, in fact it's all essential to understand everyday fascism of the RSS which isn't going away no matter the election results next month (which everyone thought Modi would lose until this Kashmir situation, another particularity Indian problem inherited from the "socialist" nationalism of the Congress), but lacks explanatory power and can't be theorized. We've talked about this before but until something more substantive comes out beyond Sakai's single article from over a decade ago our analyses of fascism will continue to tail fascist politics and liberal incredulous reaction. It clearly involves the fundamental shift to a value-based imperialism which reorients what fascism is and where it is possible.



the King is back!

#7948

babyhueypnewton posted:

JohnBeige posted:

Chill

i was the one who was called out, as toyotathon pointed out the difference is i stand up for myself unlike many others who feel intimidated.

c_man posted:

Youve been exactly the same overinflated homophobic sex pest for an entire decade and dozens of posters more politically engaged and educated than you have come through here and done way more to change anyone's politics than your myopic bloviating. The idea that you have any unique personal responsibility for anyones political development here is laughable.


You're the exact kind of liberal who now pretends to be a Marxist I'm talking about, your opinion is of no interest to me. Until people don't allow this kind of personal bullying this place will remain a joke, I'm proud of the number of people who have told me on reddit that I helped them think through Marxism and continually ask me questions.



I found the rhizzone thru bhpn’s posts on reddit. he owns, stop bullying him

@bhpn keep on posting

#7949
hello its me, the guy calling the joke forum a joke forum as an insult// come read my reddit posts for the Real Good Shit
#7950

babyhueypnewton posted:

We've talked about this before but until something more substantive comes out beyond Sakai's single article from over a decade ago our analyses of fascism will continue to tail fascist politics and liberal incredulous reaction.


i think we've had some interesting postings about splitting "fascism" as a catch all term used in the general sense into two categories: the fascism that seeks to tail the activities of higher class in the tower - deathsquads of imperialism, gang-terror control, settler-garrisons, the great white-man army; and the fascism that seeks to re-order the tower itself to install its class in the penthouse. with the ongoing and very heightened struggle over the control of womens labour, combined with the rising environmental threats to the existing system, the latter "re-ordering" fascists have innumerable different bizzaro models for reworking the tower but mostly they are very insistent that they're the ones who are owed a wife. i, wrongly in hindsight, said that only the first type of fascism seemed capable of emmerging in the periphery, but of course i'd not accounted for the ur-conflict being over control of womens labour, a battle that is all over the periphery.

with that central it appears that the second form of fascism is everywhere - there's a blindspot over the world's eyes - everywhere it is men with the weapons - what are they really fighting over. im laughing because the patriarchal myth is the most ingrained of all, like some sort of metapathology, Mary Daly say it like this: "patriarchy is itself the prevailing religion of the whole planet"

this is a quote from p131 of "Dangerous Class"

"That's why the right hates planned parenthood more than they hate some communist party. It embodies concealed in drag some of the most advanced ideas of womanhood. And folks wonder why they're hysterical about it? To say it another way-if you take the reproduction of labour out of society's production and distribution, you distort all class analysis. thats whats wrong with it."



anyway thats just some ideas i had,

#7951

babyhueypnewton posted:

Please, I was defending Marxism on this forum for longer than you've had politics. We're posting on the "rhizzone" which used to be exactly what I described, many of the posters pretending to be Marxist now were exactly the kind of semi-fascists I described when it was fashionable while I was considered a radical and without the proper ironic humor. Don't act high and mighty when I was the one who put in work to make this place somewhat interesting, unfortunately the fascists are gone but the grudges remain. In 10 years you'll probably be like them and I'll still be defending Marxism so say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me.



dude... come on

#7952

tears posted:

babyhueypnewton posted:

We've talked about this before but until something more substantive comes out beyond Sakai's single article from over a decade ago our analyses of fascism will continue to tail fascist politics and liberal incredulous reaction.

i think we've had some interesting postings about splitting "fascism" as a catch all term used in the general sense into two categories: the fascism that seeks to tail the activities of higher class in the tower - deathsquads of imperialism, gang-terror control, settler-garrisons, the great white-man army; and the fascism that seeks to re-order the tower itself to install its class in the penthouse. with the ongoing and very heightened struggle over the control of womens labour, combined with the rising environmental threats to the existing system, the latter "re-ordering" fascists have innumerable different bizzaro models for reworking the tower but mostly they are very insistent that they're the ones who are owed a wife. i, wrongly in hindsight, said that only the first type of fascism seemed capable of emmerging in the periphery, but of course i'd not accounted for the ur-conflict being over control of womens labour, a battle that is all over the periphery.

with that central it appears that the second form of fascism is everywhere - there's a blindspot over the world's eyes - everywhere it is men with the weapons - what are they really fighting over. im laughing because the patriarchal myth is the most ingrained of all, like some sort of metapathology, Mary Daly say it like this: "patriarchy is itself the prevailing religion of the whole planet"

this is a quote from p131 of "Dangerous Class"

"That's why the right hates planned parenthood more than they hate some communist party. It embodies concealed in drag some of the most advanced ideas of womanhood. And folks wonder why they're hysterical about it? To say it another way-if you take the reproduction of labour out of society's production and distribution, you distort all class analysis. thats whats wrong with it."



anyway thats just some ideas i had,



I was gonna say that bphn's comment about a "semi-fascist phase" is a generalization that seems warranted when it comes to male marxist. most straight leftist men i know came to marxism from a libertatian or nietzchean phase. male culture is steeped in jingoism, machoism, individualist myths etc, when they are first brcoming politically aware or alienated they seem to be far more likely to gravitate towards fascistic narratives than people who are on the recieving end of that narrative.

#7953
junior high is fascist
#7954
HONEST VASSAL: where is the lord of this land? Peregrinate I now from my fief, with dues of toil in Uniqlo’s fields, for each lord must have land, and every Land, a Lord.

ME: i am that one, who harks from this high tower, and

*trumpets start to play*

ME: never mind that now!
#7955

Caesura109 posted:

most straight leftist men i know came to marxism from a libertatian or nietzchean phase. male culture is steeped in jingoism, machoism, individualist myths etc, when they are first brcoming politically aware or alienated they seem to be far more likely to gravitate towards fascistic narratives than people who are on the recieving end of that narrative.



my own political development bears out that notion. i can look back at my politics circa high school and recognize a nascent fascism buried under a layer of "woke" libertarianism that really wasn't overmuch shaken by college (i went to a school with a very "hippie" reputation and the most politically vocal professor i met in that time was an ayn rand fanboy, which i now recognize actually isn't an irony at all)

to someone who's never had a material reason to question the received wisdom (e.g., that Marxism leads to Horrors and therefore is disqualified from the running prima facie), the Austrian School might be the first thing you encounter that seems like it actually has a coherent, articulated weltanschauung with some claimed philosophical sophistication that the complacent might never recognize as a shell game. it actually seems to believe in something, and if you're hungry for that in a world of opportunistic and eclectic liberalism, you could just as well fall into that midden

i've mentioned elsewhere that my route to marx wasn't through history or activism, but rather giving Capital an open-minded read with some background in econ and finding the easily dispatched sophistries i'd been primed to expect simply weren't there. what i might not have mentioned is that said reading came at a point where i had been unemployed for most of a year already (with a second to follow) after graduating straight into the jaws of the GFC & long recession. plus by that time i had actually been exposed to a wider sampling of the population than i ever had in my youth, witnessed other struggles, and so on. (i also, for reasons i have difficulty articulating, attribute my political shift in some sense to studying atonal music. no i haven't read adorno)

so, for me, the real conditions absolutely shaped the ideological in a way the latter probably would never have on its own. when i see marx talking about social existence determining social consciousness, or when i see lenin saying sure, some socdem leaders may return to communism, but only a tiny number when taken "in its political, i.e., in its mass aspect," that shit resonates with me pretty significantly. it's frankly kinda scary to contemplate how that bubble felt, in retrospect -- that someone can be objectively functioning as an enemy of humanity and the world at large without having any clue at all that they're doing anything but striving (those so inclined, at least) to live a principled and moral life. that's some dangerous shit.

cars posted:

a liberal raised with bourgeois values has a fascist inside them and they can either fight it every day they're alive, or not

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#7956

babyhueypnewton posted:

You're the exact kind of liberal who now pretends to be a Marxist I'm talking about, your opinion is of no interest to me. Until people don't allow this kind of personal bullying this place will remain a joke, I'm proud of the number of people who have told me on reddit that I helped them think through Marxism and continually ask me questions.



i was and am happy to hear you out on things like the position of china, because i tend more towards your perspective than bnw, and was not going to bring up your long standing homophobia (for example) until you decided that your total lack of self-reflection was an asset and something to brag to everyone about

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#7957
The rhizone: durr we're not Marxist and consistently erase class
BHPN: As Althusser says...
The rhizone (good now because of huey ): I do think for example cat videos are so popular because cats are unconcerned with capitalism
#7958

drwhat posted:

junior high is fascist


#7959

Caesura109 posted:

male culture is steeped in jingoism, machoism, individualist myths etc,



Constantignoble posted:

it's frankly kinda scary to contemplate how that bubble felt, in retrospect -- that someone can be objectively functioning as an enemy of humanity and the world at large without having any clue at all that they're doing anything but striving (those so inclined, at least) to live a principled and moral life. that's some dangerous shit.


"a few years ago, one robert byrn, a 40-yo professor of criminal law at fordham university took it upon himself to represent all human fetuses between the fourth and twenty-fourth week of gestation scheduled to be aborted in nyc municipal hospitals. byrn was himself represented by attourney thomas ford, who made the following statement: "the fetus might well be described as an astronaut in a uterine spaceship." As ellen frankfort aptly comments:

"it takes a certain kind of imagination to assume guardianship for something lodged within anothers body--a rather acquisitive proprietary imagination that fits right in with the conception of the woman as a spaceship and the contents of her womb as an astronaut."

the astonishing byrn incident and the analogy made by his attorney merit some attention for the light they throw upon the deceptions of male myth. since an astronaut is perceived as the captain of the "vessel", there is a desire to see the fetus as controlling the woman. moreover, the image of the astronaut in a spaceship is interesting also because in this image the "captain" is very much controlled by other males outside the spaceship (for example, politicians, economists, scientists, flight surgeons, engineers). this makes the analogy particularly "appropriate" in its perverse way, for the fetus is maintained in control of the woman by the males outside (for example, politicians, legislators, priests, doctors, social workers, counselors husbands, "lovers"). mOreover the analogy involves deceptively circular reasoning, making it doubly appropriate in this doublethink context. for here, a biological event--the presence of the fetus in the uterus--is imagined as "like", that is, imitative of, a technological event-the presence of an astronaut in a spaceship.This elicits an obvious question: is the astronaut in the spaceship an attempt to imitate the situation of the fetus in the uterus.

There are clues about the source of this fetal identification syndrome (which is frequently fatal for women unable to obtain abortions) in frankfort's description of byrn as "a childless man who seeks to guard unwanted fetal tissue." males do indeed deeply identify with "unwanted fetal tissue," for they sense as their own condition the role of controller, possessor, inhabitor of women. Draining female energy, the feel "fetal". since this perpetual fetal state is fatal to the Self of the eternal mother (Hostess), males fear women's recognition of this real condition, which would render them infinitely "unwanted". for this attraction/need of males for female energy, seen for what it is is necrophilia--not in the sense of love for actual corpses, but love for those victimised into a state of living death"

#7960

tears posted:

Caesura109 posted:

male culture is steeped in jingoism, machoism, individualist myths etc,

Constantignoble posted:

it's frankly kinda scary to contemplate how that bubble felt, in retrospect -- that someone can be objectively functioning as an enemy of humanity and the world at large without having any clue at all that they're doing anything but striving (those so inclined, at least) to live a principled and moral life. that's some dangerous shit.


"a few years ago, one robert byrn, a 40-yo professor of criminal law at fordham university took it upon himself to represent all human fetuses between the fourth and twenty-fourth week of gestation scheduled to be aborted in nyc municipal hospitals. byrn was himself represented by attourney thomas ford, who made the following statement: "the fetus might well be described as an astronaut in a uterine spaceship." As ellen frankfort aptly comments:

"it takes a certain kind of imagination to assume guardianship for something lodged within anothers body--a rather acquisitive proprietary imagination that fits right in with the conception of the woman as a spaceship and the contents of her womb as an astronaut."

the astonishing byrn incident and the analogy made by his attorney merit some attention for the light they throw upon the deceptions of male myth. since an astronaut is perceived as the captain of the "vessel", there is a desire to see the fetus as controlling the woman. moreover, the image of the astronaut in a spaceship is interesting also because in this image the "captain" is very much controlled by other males outside the spaceship (for example, politicians, economists, scientists, flight surgeons, engineers). this makes the analogy particularly "appropriate" in its perverse way, for the fetus is maintained in control of the woman by the males outside (for example, politicians, legislators, priests, doctors, social workers, counselors husbands, "lovers"). mOreover the analogy involves deceptively circular reasoning, making it doubly appropriate in this doublethink context. for here, a biological event--the presence of the fetus in the uterus--is imagined as "like", that is, imitative of, a technological event-the presence of an astronaut in a spaceship.This elicits an obvious question: is the astronaut in the spaceship an attempt to imitate the situation of the fetus in the uterus.

There are clues about the source of this fetal identification syndrome (which is frequently fatal for women unable to obtain abortions) in frankfort's description of byrn as "a childless man who seeks to guard unwanted fetal tissue." males do indeed deeply identify with "unwanted fetal tissue," for they sense as their own condition the role of controller, possessor, inhabitor of women. Draining female energy, the feel "fetal". since this perpetual fetal state is fatal to the Self of the eternal mother (Hostess), males fear women's recognition of this real condition, which would render them infinitely "unwanted". for this attraction/need of males for female energy, seen for what it is is necrophilia--not in the sense of love for actual corpses, but love for those victimised into a state of living death"



basically men believe they have the role of a xenomorph