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Its ridiculous to even have to argue whether soldiers or cops are less bad, but since were here already, soldiers are actually much better people, on the whole, than cops. Its obvious.
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oh no i was responding to tpaine.
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there's a lot of cop worship out there but it's not really new. in fact i'd say the new thing is how much open criticism police get, even if only really on the internet. 10 years ago if you posted what is today standard criticism of cops you'd get KEEP RAGING AGAINST THE MACHINE MOONFLOWER
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Superabound posted:

yes, which makes their behavior all the more egregious. Soldiers at least have the excuse of psyche-fracturing environmental stress and completely contained government indoctrination camps to explain their inhumanity. Cops sit in a car all day and go home every night to eat a nice homecooked meal their cowed fearwife BETTER not have burned and then fall asleep drunk watching Duck Dynasty on a perfectly ass-rutted barcalounger

hating Cops less than Troops is a pretty obvious sign that youre really, really, REALLY white and spent most of your life in upper middle class neighborhoods




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"they are both worse"
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what about military police. double-hitler or double-hitlerest?
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According to multiple sources, hundreds of NYPD officers turned their backs to Mayor Bill de Blasio on Saturday when he spoke at the funeral of Rafael Ramos, one of two policeman murdered by Brooklyn shooter Ismaaiyl Brinsley.
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no seriously, it's an absurd debate because they serve totally different functions but both are equally essential to maintaining the empire.

cops uphold capitalism in the imperial core. they keep the bulk of white America feeling secure and loyal to the system by protecting their "property" (the fruits of imperialist plunder). they also sabotage internal dissent through a combination of brute force (MOVE Bombing, Fred Hampton assassination, mass incarceration, etc.) and trickery (much of the FBI's COINTELPRO and the local cops' Red Squads).

of course they kill much less people than Troops. so? this is only because repressing domestic dissent within the imperial core requires much less direct force than smashing counter-hegemonic regimes and foreign resistance movements. whites are largely bought off by wealth extracted from the Third World. the black underclass is utterly surrounded, so they have no chance to arm and organize themselves in a manner similar to--say--FARC or Hezbollah. what is stunning about US cops is despite the lack of coherent resistance and the relative safety of the job, they are still killing an incredible number of people (which is hard to count thanks to the decentralized nature of policing in the US) and otherwise making life for the underclass as miserable as possible through assaults, harassment, wrongful arrests and the like.

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military police have a horrid reputation among the standard troops, which i think means they are good somehow
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they also run military prisons tho. all the troops in the abu graib pix are MPs
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that behavior was mandated from the top (though they'll deny it to their graves)
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fo' sho, that was clear at the time and it is blindingly clear now. but i also don't excuse the people who enacted that top-down policy. plenty of blame to go around for everyone
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the basic premise of the really existing police force is not inherently illegitimate
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parody thread: Crops, the new Foraging?
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

the basic premise of the really existing police force is not inherently illegitimate

jus ad bellum eh

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Half troop. Half cop. All killing machine. Channing Tatum is mustang19 in, Mustangible
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tpaine posted:

thirdplace posted:

fo' sho, that was clear at the time and it is blindingly clear now. but i also don't excuse the people who enacted that top-down policy. plenty of blame to go around for everyone

yeah if you brook for one second the "just following orders" excuse you're among the worst people alive



i was no way absolving the actors, just pointing out that punishing only them (which we did anyway lmao) is doing a disservice to justice

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this doxxing has got to stop
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tpaine posted:

see if you ignore the millions of victims of Soldiers, cops are just as bad



Troops project government power. Cops protect it at its source. you need no more proof of that than how the nation responds to a couple dead cops compared to a couple thousand dead soldiers. not to mention ive personally known several cops and soldiers, and while theyre all pieces of inhuman trash compared to even the most deserving of their many victims, almost across the board the cops have expressed more openly fascist and racially hostile opinions than the Troops. and on top of that you have the significant number of police officers who are in fact former military themselves, usually the absolute worst of the bunch, incapable of shame, guilt, or the self-cleansing fire of PTSD, whose bloodlust and rapelust were not fully quenched by their experiences overseas, leaving them ready and eager to take the sins they learned in Hell and show them off to everyone back home

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"Rank and file German soldiers were clearly worse than the Gestapo, you fucking retard!"
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Hey, remember when the US military surveilled, infiltrated, and crippled/destroyed virtually every single active, effective leftist organization in United States history, preventing all positive government reforms and allowing the cancer of fascism to spread unchecked not only into and from its very heart, but down and along its innumerable tentacles, choking the lifeblood out of the entire global community?
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the only reason cops dont kill more people than Troops is because they already won the war long ago and there is no longer any significant resistance
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le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

there's a lot of cop worship out there but it's not really new. in fact i'd say the new thing is how much open criticism police get, even if only really on the internet. 10 years ago if you posted what is today standard criticism of cops you'd get KEEP RAGING AGAINST THE MACHINE MOONFLOWER



ive actually noticed the opposite, but that might be just because 10 years ago everyone i knew was a drunk 22 year old rather than a shitty parent with a 401(k) and opinions about property values

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tpaine im worried your Troophate is blinding you to the true evil and inherent malice of the original Troop, the HomeTroop
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