rolaids posted:Has anyone encountered an IRL Democrat who gives credence to this yet? Most of those I know ate the election fraud stuff up at first but seem to have moved on at this point
yes tbh. not in movement circles but activists seem to be turning further from the russia narrative the more articles are written on it.
cars posted:
the attitude that inevitably accompanies this - oh poor blacks they think theyre doing a good thing to help themselves, little do they know what the evil russkies are up to - is bircher shit through and through
this doesn't discredit current political groups, it promotes communism!
google translate posted:President Petro Poroshenko is grateful to the American film director David Lynch for the opening in Ukraine of the representative office of the David Lynch Foundation, whose activities are aimed at helping war veterans, refugees, victims of domestic violence. This is stated in the message of the President on his page in the social network Facebook, Ukrainian News transfers.
According to the report, Poroshenko held a meeting with Lynch on Saturday.
During the meeting Poroshenko showed Lynch a famous House with chimeras.
"He met with the legendary American filmmaker David Lynch, who arrived in Ukraine to open a charitable foundation's office, the Lynch Foundation is engaged in transcendental meditation, helps war veterans, refugees, victims of domestic violence, thanked for the decision to open this fund in Ukraine.This is an important and symbolic mission" , - the President wrote.
Poroshenko stressed the urgency and importance of this issue for Ukraine, which is going through the war and suffers from Russian aggression.
According to the head of state, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers are returning from the war and need psychological rehabilitation.
People, he said, should get help in overcoming the stress, because not only the military who are directly involved in the fighting, but also civilians suffer from this.
Recall, the famous American film director David Lynch November 17 came to Kiev.
cars posted:i should probably make a gigantic update to this thread that's just a timeline of links from the last few months showing the cracking, crumbling and final demolition of Western media denials of how the government in Kiev is now run by racist, antisemitic neo-Nazis. in the meantime, enjoy this post
I would be extremely interested in that timeline, fwiw.
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by an Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired last week as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program), still have not paved its way to the international mainstream media. That is hardly surprising taking into account the bombshell evidence against the real perpetrators and organizers of the 2014 coup d’etat in Kiev, generally known as the “revolution of dignity“.
The documentary features Alexander Revazishvili, Koba Nergadze and Zalogi Kvaratskhelia, Georgian military officers who were recruited to carry out a “special mission” in Kiev by Mamuka Mamulashvili, a close aid of Mikhail Saakashvili’s former defense minister Bacho Akhalaia. They claim that on Jan 15, 2014 they landed in Kiev equipped with fake documents and were transfered to Maidan. Having received 1000 USD each one and being promised to be paid 5000 USD after the “job is done”, they were tasked to prepare sniper positions inside the buildings of Hotel Ukraine and Conservatory, dominant over the Maidan Square.
The facts they exposed afterwards, were shocking. Along with other snipers (some of them were Lithuanians) they were put under command of an American military operative Brian Christopher Boyenger (his Facebook page is here). The coordinating team also included Mamulashvili and infamous Segrey Pashinsky, who was detained by protesters on Feb 18, 2017 with a sniper rifle in the boot of his car and later headed the first post-Maidan interim president administration of Ukraine. The weapons came on stage on February 18 and were distributed to the various Georgian and Lithuanian groups. “There were three or four weapons in each bag, there were Makarov guns, AKM guns, rifles, and a lot of cartridges.” – witnesses Nergadze.
The following day, Mamulashvili and Pashinsky explained to snipers that they should shoot at the square and sow chaos. “When Mamulashvili arrived, I also asked him. Things are getting complicated, we have to start shooting – he replied that we cannot go to presidential elections. “But who to shoot?“ I asked. He replied that who and where it did not matter, you had to shoot somewhere so much to sow chaos.”
These three men are presenting themselves as repented military officers who were simply “obeying orders” and did not know that they “had to kill people“. A naive attempt for professional death squads operatives, to put it mildly.
Top ten myths about ongoings in Ukraine:
— Ollie Richardson (@O_Rich_) December 6, 2017
1. “10,000 died in Donbass war”
This figure cites the official UN stats. However, as is known, the UN plays politics. The real number is closer to 100,000. The number of still-buried troops in Debaltsevo is enormous.
The degeneration of Ukraine is like looking a few years into the future for the West I think
Barry lituchy is a good source on the history of fascism there
http://defendinghistory.com/associated-press-reports-on-us-plan-to-train-fascist-azov-battalion-in-ukraine/72581
I think the latter is the main reason for the former.
Azov Battalion are a religious order in self-conscious, farcical imitation of the Knights Templar or Knights Hospitaller, but they train youth as devotees of an almost wholly recently invented neo-pagan cult of nationalist myth, one over which their leadership now presides as the de facto ruling body. It's interesting to see because non-Christian manufactured religion among members of the Nazi Party was more of an a la carte side or hobbyist project for small pockets in certain institutions; it was only uneasily tolerated by much of the state and military leadership as they exploited its imagery and symbols to more practical effect, and its most influential practitioners knew better than to try to replace Protestant Christianity with their confused mish-mash of Germanic fairy tales and nominally Indo-Iranian pseudo-ritual, even among young soldiers and soldiers-to-be whose education those elites might have controlled. Hitler's generals were far too powerful and traditional in their outlook for impractical ideas like that to take root.
Azov Battalion as a cult center is, in contrast, a rare militant outgrowth of purposely self-deluded, contemporary social-reject Nazi fan club behavior that has remained that way even as it attains official recognition by the state. In most current cases of the same elsewhere in the world those groups are either:
a) utilized as fully deniable thugs as needed by the state and handled by those with real power through minders, carrot-and-stick treatment and surreptitious contact. This is the model, for instance, followed by the security/intelligence establishment set in the current German state, which uses the country's fractured far-right groups to discipline immigrant neighborhoods but also promotes in-fighting between them to maintain their relative powerlessness compared to the liberal state, while gleefully prosecuting any college kid they can catch making a stiff-armed salute in a Facebook photo. It's somewhat akin to Washington arming and cultivating ISIS to put pressure on Damascus and Syria, then using ISIS advances as a pretext for direct intervention, but on a much smaller, less bloody and more pathetic scale. Nazi-hunting mainstream media superstar / former poster HenryKrinkle has linked some stuff about this on Twitter fairly recently iirc. Or,
b) one group, which usually absorbs the others with collaboration of state security forces a la the NSDAP in the interwar period, is allowed to gain closer public proximity to state power. It then quickly sheds any Dungeons-and-Dragons-style trappings and replaces them with Christian Identity or secularist signifiers that can more easily build cultural inroads. The group's previous pseudo-religion in every case is, from the start, an expression of recognition of the despair of petit-bourgeois members over their perceived impotence in current society, and a promise of a magical anime transformation into beauty, wealth and dominance over the established national elite (one sector or another of that elite, of course, continues to control them, as is evident in party representation in the Kiev government right now). In this aspect, at least, any such half-considered cult acts a ghostly, sick pantomime of Marxism, a fantasy of a revolutionary dictatorship, not of the proletariat, but of nerd sorcerers in nationalist Halloween costumes; but as fascism and the far-right in general has no theory to speak of and no lasting distinction from the sector of the local bourgeoisie that cultivates it in periods of decay, it is nearly always antithetical to the interests of far-right leaders to maintain this fantasy in any real way once they attain power.
In the absence of any other compelling difference I've observed, I have to assume that Azov Battalion still carting around their Harry Potter books and magic wands at this point is a circumstance that has grown out of the surprisingly total direction from the U.S. government and other parties given to Kiev, backed by flesh-pressing in front of cameras with the group directly, all of it pushing Kiev to coddle and cultivate Azov Battalion and bring it closer in, instead of pushing Kiev to use these weirdos as an unofficial stick against the population of Ukraine while keeping a safe, international-media-friendly distance.
That, in turn, has allowed Azov Battalion to delay the usual cultural concessions, because the usual motivation for that shift—allowing the government-linked elite sectors that control the fringe group to provide them with personal power and reduce friction in providing tools to abuse the population—has been forced by the U.S. government and its allies anyway as a secondary goal of their policy of loan-based extortion, while preserving many of the elements that allow Azov Battalion to be used against Kiev's government later, including its fanatical, self-defined religion, which will never be adopted wholesale by the mainstream either in Ukraine's government, in any configuration, or by most of its people.
In that regard, for the U.S. government and its allies, it's likely more important for people in the Kiev coup government to see the sort of photos I posted in this thread than for anyone else to see them, for the same reason recent U.S. strategy has adopted a multi-valence approach of cultivating many small groups to fight each other in the Arab world and prevent any sort of regional power arising that might opt for strategic alliances later, ones that could potentially interfere with overt or covert U.S. government/military/deep state policy planning and implementation.
For instance, it would likely be in the interests of those same folks in the United States if the current Russian government could be replaced with weak, loan-dependent neo-fascism like that which currently governs Kiev, and the U.S. government has already spent many millions of dollars on the books to try to do just that and likely just as much under the table. But it probably wouldn't be in their best interests for such a government to establish stable friendly terms with like-minded groups already in power in Kiev, as the naked goal of the coup in the first place was to ensure that Ukraine and Russia are unable to coordinate efforts to oppose U.S./allied government policy abroad, including control exercised through loans and loan-linked restructuring.
So to head off future possibilities like that one—most of which aren't anywhere near that big of a threat and just involve the same sort of planning & policy that armed ISIS in Iraq to force resignations in Baghdad's government without the cost and bad optics of a larger-scale re-invasion—it's a good idea for the U.S. government, military and deep state to have a heavily-armed witch coven on their side, based not in Kiev but in Mariupol, where constant tension to the east will keep them from growing too complacent or too close to the group's current allies in the capital. Without that support I doubt Azov Battalion could continue to exist in the bizarre aspect they currently present to the rest of Ukraine and to the world.
One aside: the lazy, and wrong, assumption would be that this proceeds from some sort of natural affinity shared between right-nationalist governments in general, something that is always laughably disproved whenever it's attempted, since all of them are always angling for their "Greater" future, whether through territory or market dominance. (Hitler and his gang, no fools, refused titles awarded by self-identified "Germanic" groups to the east and had most of the local fascists killed and replaced with limp monarchists and the like). Any affinity between the current occupant of the White House, a New York city real estate developer, and the politics of Kiev or Azov Battalion are as purely coincidental as any perceived by his opponents concerning Moscow.
Instead, this entire policy of official U.S. proxy witch armies was crafted under the Obama administration, by people who likely dissuade their employees from wearing witch costumes on Halloween so they don't piss off single-woman Facebook groups.
It's not that the party need ever rule Kiev as head of a coalition, and if that ever happens, it will be because those elites currently in other, Battalion-friendly parties have hollowed out the organization and replaced it with their own apparatuses. It's rather because Azov Battalion is as good a place as any for Washington to float trial balloons for a second, as-needed Kiev coup, and just as with the Euromaidan paramilitary assassinations that preceded the most recent coup, the Battalion and its allies are hardly going to wait around for the state to arrest, try and execute whomever Washington wants killed that particular morning.
This is, most people on this forum will recognize, the standard model for current Washington-planned "interventions": arm internal and in-exile groups while using USAID and other avenues of NGO funding to gin up a false social protest movement against "corruption", which, since it's nearly always present in some form in any given party or government anywhere, acts a great "non-political" way to snow the local and international center-left and center-right petit-bourgeois crowds into either backing, or backing down from challenging, the far-right violence used to establish an emergency government, with full understanding from all parties that the new government will be headed by media-friendly establishment types, and with all direct traffic with Nazi death squads (and there will be plenty of it) occurring through the servants' door from that point on.
Such a government then does exactly what the coup government in Kiev did: it rams through a new massive loan program from international financial bodies with incredibly unfavorable payback terms, linked to restructuring trip-switches that will quickly force the government to (further) demolish social welfare programs, eliminate labor, safety and environmental programs, put the local military/intelligence/security forces (that might otherwise muster their own power base) on a footing completely dependent on U.S. Congressional spending through its many channels, and otherwise make the country in question safe, or even safer, for Western economic exploitation and Western rule by satrapy.
cars posted:One aside: the lazy, and wrong, assumption would be that this proceeds from some sort of natural affinity shared between right-nationalist governments in general, something that is always laughably disproved whenever it's attempted, since all of them are always angling for their "Greater" future, whether through territory or market dominance. (Hitler and his gang, no fools, refused titles awarded by self-identified "Germanic" groups to the east and had most of the local fascists killed and replaced with limp monarchists and the like). Any affinity between the current occupant of the White House, a New York city real estate developer, and the politics of Kiev or Azov Battalion are as purely coincidental as any perceived by his opponents concerning Moscow.
Good post, however I would point out that Fascist international projects were used both the growing fascist empire of Poland in the 30s (Promethean league/intermarium) and the collapsing Nazi empire after 1943/Stalingrad (Confederate states of Europe & international SS).
I think the collaboration and coordination was real, until such time as one such fascist group (nazis) briefly came to dominance
Note I'm not saying that Europe wasn't filled to the brim with both fascists and Nazi sympathizers or that non-German collaborators only joined the Nazis at gunpoint. What I'm saying is that it would have offered a huge improvement to efficiency in context of limited wartime resources if the Nazis had created a multi-state coalition of fascist governments and assisted fascist parties to set up strong fascist governments as they advanced. They didn't do that because the results would have been a bunch of governments at each others' throats almost immediately, as the fascists in other countries naturally saw their "Greater" futures as including chunks of whatever countries were on their own borders and even, in many cases, saw the countries around them as properly belonging under the umbrella of their own control. They therefore saw all of the nationalist-rightist movements in those other countries as rats to be exterminated.
https://forward.com/scribe/392413/two-ukrainian-cemeteries-housing-holocaust-victims-are-in-danger-of-destruc/
meanwhile ukraine is constantly 'accidentally' re-branding photo evidence of the holocaust as that of the 'holodomor'
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-president-mistakenly-tweets-photo-of-jews-deported-by-nazis/
This is genuinely scary and will have an impact on safety of all minorities in Kyiv: Azov has just formed a 600-strong far-right militia to patrol Kyiv streets protecting ‘Ukrainian order’. Police participated and doesn’t seem to mind a parallel power structure. Simply terrifying pic.twitter.com/5eUgXdHa24
— Pavel Klymenko (@Pavel_Klymenko) January 29, 2018
Nazi tortures? According to a report from OSCE #Ukraine National Guard & Security Services have a disturbing habit of burning Swastikas with red hot bayonets into bodies of captured combatants. Seems they use a "Bandera garotte" as torture device too https://t.co/GxBWZZYF9Q pic.twitter.com/CZfnLSLXQ7
— Defending History (@DefendingHistor) February 26, 2018
cars posted:Azov Battalion still carting around their Harry Potter books and magic wands
and now they're recruiting in the UK lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/85e690/the_ukrainian_military_has_some_of_the_best/
Anyway, pretend I posted that vid and said, "I prefer this recruiting video."
jiroemon1897 posted:Alternate Ukrainian Military Recruiting Idea: Teen Titans Cyborg, but with his skin made white and a bunch of fascist shit.
