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O ver the last thirty years, “homeschooling”— teaching one‘s children at home rather than entrusting their education to either a public or private school — has virtually exploded: around ten thousand children were homeschooled in the early eighties; today, over two million children are being educated at home. There are now more children being homeschooled than are enrolled in charter and voucher schools combined. Of course, there have always been some parents, both religious and secular, who have homeschooled since the advent of public schools and compulsory attendance laws in the middle of the nineteenth century. For a hundred and fifty years, parents of special needs children, parents in isolated parts of the country who live far from any public schoolhouse, as well as a smattering of parents of circus performers, professional athletes, and child stage actors have homeschooled their children, and exemptions in the various states’ compulsory attendance laws have explicitly allowed them to do so.

The explosion in homeschooling of the last quarter century, however, is a different phenomenon altogether. The majority of homeschoolers today, and by quite a margin, are devout, fundamentalist Protestants. And, of the hundreds of thousands of fundamentalist Protestant parents who in the past two decades have pulled their children from public schooling, the majority have done so not because their kids have special needs, or because they live too far from a schoolhouse, but rather because they do not approve of the public schools’ secularity, their liberalism, their humanism, their feminist modes of socialization, and in some cases, of the schools’ very existence. Because they disapprove, they choose to educate their children at home, in accordance with their own traditions and by their own religious lights.

They do so, furthermore, with little or no oversight from public school officials, who in some states need not even be notified of the parents’ intent to homeschool. Because of lax or no regulation, in most of the country parents who homeschool now have virtually unfettered authority to decide what subjects to teach, what curriculum materials to use, and how much, or how little, of each day will be devoted to education. In most (but not all) states, testing is optional, and in almost all states, the parent-teachers need not be certified or otherwise qualified to teach. In other words, in much of the country, if you want to keep your kids home from school, or just never send them in the first place, you can. If you want to teach them from nothing but the Bible, you can. If they want to skateboard all day, and you choose to let them, you can.

As late as the late 1970s, these massive withdrawals from the public schools that have become so commonplace over the past thirty years would have been illegal, everywhere, and regardless of the parents’ motivations. Dating from the mid 19 th century, with the advent of mandatory attendance laws, until three quarters of the way through the 20 th , it was a crime to keep one’s children home from school, and it did not matter in the slightest whether it was religion or some other felt conviction that was at the heart of the decision to do so. Parents who did so were criminals, and their kids were truants. Where homeschooling was allowed, for the rural out-posters, the special needs children, the circus performers and the stage kids, the homeschooling was heavily regulated: the children were tested annually, their parent-teachers or tutors had to be certified or otherwise deemed qualified by the state, courses and hours were specified, and the curricula were subject to approval and review by state authorities.

Compare that with today’s legal landscape. In 2009, thousands of parents who keep their kids home and don’t tell a soul are well within the bounds of the law. Their children are not truants; they’re “homeschooled.” Parents in many states have full authority,free of all state oversight, to determine the content of their children’s education; in states with some remaining regulations, enforcement is lax or non-existent. Thus, over the course of the last thirty years, “homeschooling” has gone from illegal—meaning criminal— in all fifty states, to fully legal, and from heavily regulated, when allowed, to either completely unregulated or only lightly regulated, everywhere. That’s quite a revolution, in law and education both. How did that happen? Why haven’t more people noticed? Why don’t more people care?

A Right to Homeschool?

The short answer to how it happened is simply that in the 1980s, all fifty state legislatures, in response to massive political pressure from religious parents and their lobbyists, legalized homeschooling. They either passed “homeschooling statutes” that explicitly allow the practice, or they amended their “compulsory attendance laws” so as create exemptions for parents who choose to homeschool, or they clarified existing laws such that homeschools would be classified as a species of “private schools” or “church schools” and thereby be legal under statutes legitimating those institutions. State after state, one way or another, decriminalized homeschooling throughout the course of that decade. In the following decade—the 1990s—in response to the same set of pressures, the states followed up on legalization by steadily deregulating the practice. The result is what we face today: a widespread and thoroughly privatized educational practice that devolves full responsibility for a child’s education to whatever parent wants to claim it, which is not only legal, but virtually unregulated as well.

But that short answer doesn’t explain why the states did it, or put differently, why the political campaign to pressure them to do it was so spectacularly successful. Education, after all, is typically described as a core, and possibly the core, state responsibility. Why were the states so willing to turn the reins over to parents? They acted, at least in part, because of the belief, held by religious parents and proclaimed by their advocates, that a constitutional right required the states to do so. Specifically, the parents and their advocacy groups argued that religious parents had a free exercise right, grounded in the First Amendment, to educate their children as they see fit, in private, at home, in accordance with their religious beliefs, and with no oversight by or even interaction with state authorities. In the face of this adamantly asserted constitutional right, and strapped for cash in any event, the states ceded responsibility for what had previously been a core state function—the education of children—to whatever parents claimed that they preferred to educate their children themselves. The main purpose of this essay is to criticize this “right to homeschool” that the religious parents and their lawyers and lobbyists have claimed, or created, over the past couple of decades. My criticism will rest primarily on the basis of the harms such a right might inflict upon the children so educated.

Two clarifications are in order. First, courts, and particularly the federal courts, have never granted the existence of the “right to homeschool.” Although the doctrine is messy and arguably on the cusp of change, the courts have with only a few exceptions upheld the constitutionality of mandatory attendance laws and regulations governing legalized homeschooling, against claims that parents have a constitutional right to homeschool that would invalidate those laws. It doesn’t follow, however, from judicial recalcitrance that the right does not exist: hundreds of thousands of parents believe it exists and have acted upon it, and most important, whatever the courts might say, state legislators in all fifty states decriminalized the practice in partial reliance upon it, often explicitly making reference to the “parent’s right to homeschool” in the amended legislation or regulations as they did so. Furthermore, it was the purported right to homeschool, so successfully asserted by homeschooling advocates and lobbyists in state legislative fora, that facilitated the extraordinary success of the still ongoing deregulatory campaign. It is the purported “right” to homeschool without any oversight or supervision by state educators—and not simply a right to its decriminalization—that has prompted states to withdraw so utterly from their once core duty to provide, or at least supervise, a shared minimal education for all their future citizens. Federal courts may someday acknowledge the existence of this right. Whether or not they do so, however, at this point doesn’t much matter: state law has already changed on the basis of it. Judicial recognition of this right, when and if it arrives, will be a redundancy.

Second, although I will be criticizing the right to completely deregulated homeschooling, I do not mean to deny for a moment that homeschooling itself is often—maybe usually—successful, when done responsibly. Passionately involved and loving parents, whether religious or not, can often better educate their children in small tutorials at home, than can cashstrapped, under-motivated, inadequately supported, and overwhelmed public school teachers with too many students in their classrooms. Results bear this out, as homeschool advocates repeatedly point out (and as critics virtually never deny): the homeschooled children who are tested, or who take college boards, whether or not religious, perhaps surprisingly, perhaps not, do very well on standardized tests, and on the average, they do better than their public school counterparts (though it must be noted that the parents and children who voluntarily subject themselves to testing are the self-selected educational elite of the homeschooling movement). My target is not the practice of homeschooling, whether religious or secular. My target, rather, is unregulated homeschooling—the total abdication of responsibility by the states for regulating the practice. The right to unregulated homeschooling visits quite concrete harms on the homeschooled children themselves, the mothers who are teaching them, and the often rural and isolated communities in which they are raised and taught.

The Harms of Unregulated Homeschooling

First, children who are homeschooled with no state regulation are at greater risk for unreported and unnoticed physical abuse, when they are completely isolated in homes. As the trial judge in In re Rachel noted, “95% of referrals for child abuse come from public school teachers or officials.” Without the window provided by either public or private schooling, a family’s privacy and sometimes its isolation will shield it from officials with a duty to report evidence of abuse. This shields the abuser from accountability—and also shields the child from help. Homeschooling, without visits or review, removes the children from the one forum in which their abuse may be identified.

Second, there’s a public health risk. Children who attend public schools are required to have immunizations. Without the immunizations they will not be allowed to begin classes. In only a few states have legislatures written their homeschool statutes in such a way as to require that homeschooled children be immunized, and that the immunization be verified in some way. Thus, deregulated homeschooling means that homeschooled children are basically exempted from immunization requirements. They are more susceptible to the diseases against which immunization provides some protection.

Third, public and private schools provide for many children, I suspect, although I have yet to see studies of this, a safe haven in which they are both regarded and respected independently and individually. Family love is intense, and we need it to survive and thrive. It is also deeply contingent on the existence and nature of the family ties. Children are loved in a family because they are the children of the parents in the family. The “unconditional love” they receive is anything but unconditional: it is conditioned on the fact that they are their parents’ children. School—either public or private—ideally provides a welcome respite. A child is regarded and respected at school not because she is her parent’s child, but because she is a student: she is valued for traits and for a status, in other words, that are independent of her status as the parent’s genetic or adoptive offspring. The ideal teacher cares about the child as an individual, a learner, an actively curious person—she doesn’t care about the child because the child is hers. The child is regarded with respect equally to all the children in the class. In these ways, the school classroom, ideally, and the relations within it, is a model of some core aspects of citizenship.

Fourth, there are political harms. Fundamentalist Protestant adults who were homeschooled over the last thirty years are not politically disengaged, far from it. They vote in far higher percentages than the rest of the population. They mobilize readily. The “army” in which adult homeschooled citizens are soldiers has enormous clout: homeschoolers were called “Bush’s Army” in 2000 and 2004 for good reason. Their capacity for political action is palpable and admirable, although doubly constrained: it is triggered by a call for action by church leaders, and in substance, it is limited to political action the aim of which is to undermine, limit, or destroy state functions that interfere with family and parental rights. Nevertheless, and by their own accountings, these citizen-soldiers in the “homeschooling movement” and the various political campaigns in which they are enlisted have no clout in the army in which they serve. They are as effective as they are, and as successful as they are, because they engage in politics in the same way that soldiers participate in combat. They don’t question authority, and they can’t go AWOL. With little education, few if any job skills, and scant resources, their power either to influence the lines of authority within their own sphere, or to leave that sphere, is virtually nil.

The remaining three sorts of harms—ethical, educational, and economic—are much discussed in critical literature both on homeschooling and on child-raising in devout households, and I won’t belabor them here other than to note them. Child-raising that is relentlessly authoritarian risks instilling what developmental psychologists call “ethical servility”: a failure to mature morally beyond the recognition of duties of obedience. In the most devoutly fundamentalist households, ethical servility might not be regarded as a bad outcome; it may be the desired goal. But whether a virtue or a disability, homeschooling—where the parents have full responsibility for the extent and substance of the child’s education as well as upbringing—clearly multiplies the risk.

The educational harm is the most immediate, direct risk of unregulated homeschooling. It is also the only one in this litany of possible risks adamantly denied by homeschooling advocates. There is indeed no credible evidence that homeschoolers as a group do worse on standardized tests, but contrary to their claims, there is also no credible evidence that they do better. There is no credible evidence of accomplishment here at all. Because of the non-existence of testing requirements in much of the country—itself an important political victory of the homeschooling movement — the studies suggesting as much suffer from severe selection bias: the elite of the homeschool world—those parents who voluntarily submit their children for testing — is tested against the total public school population. It doesn’t of course follow from the selection bias that as a group homeschooled children do worse. Nevertheless, it is clear from both anecdotal accounts, memoirs, and trial transcripts that some homeschoolers are suffering educational harm which would be avoided or minimized, were they either in public school or were their homeschool subjected to decent regulation.

Again, in unregulated states, parents need not teach their children a thing, if they so desire. Religious parents can teach nothing but the Bible, and nothing but a literal interpretation of that, and secular anti-schooling parents can allow their children to skateboard, dance, or play video games to their hearts’ content, free of any dull training in reading and arithmetic. Whether homeschooled children receive an education comparable to that provided in public schools is almost entirely a matter of parental discretion. This is not an incidental effect of the homeschooling movement; this was its entirely intended result. What is sacrificed most immediately by the radical deregulation of homeschooling is some children’s knowledge base, literacy, and numeracy. Some children are less educated than they would be, were homeschools either regulated or banned. Also sacrificed is their exposure to diverse ideas, cultures, and ways of being. Again, this is not incidental; it is the fully intended result of the deregulation movement. The children of the most devout fundamentalists are being intentionally shielded from those parts of a public school curriculum that have this broadening potential.



Finally, the economic harms. The average homeschooling family may have a higher income than the average non-homeschooler, as was recently reported by USA Today. The radically fundamentalist “movement” family, however, is considerably poorer than the population, and it is the participants in these movements—the so-called “patriarchy movement” and its “quiverfull” branch and related groups — that are the hardcore of the homeschooling movement. The husbands and wives in these families feel themselves to be under a religious compulsion to have large families, a homebound and submissive wife and mother who is responsible for the schooling of the children, and only one breadwinner. These families are not living in romantic, rural, self-sufficient farmhouses; they are in trailer parks, 1,000- square-foot homes, houses owned by relatives, and some, on tarps in fields or parking lots. Their lack of job skills, passed from one generation to the next, depresses the community’s overall economic health and their state’s tax base.

Conclusions

Even given these potential harms, there remain good reasons to permit homeschooling, in plenty of circumstances. Parents, both religious and secular, often justifiably wish to shield their children from public schools. Public schools too often ill serve children who are at risk of bullying, or who are hurt by the overly sexualized culture of middle and high schools in many parts of the country, or who have special abilities or needs, or simply idiosyncratic learning styles or habits. Many of these children can best or even only be educated by those who know them best. The children well served by homeschooling might outnumber the children who are badly victimized by the practice. The lessons given homeschooled children by those who homeschool responsibly are also often of very high quality. The gains to these children may be such as simply to outweigh the lack of socialization, diversity, training for citizenship and so on, for those who do so badly. Because of the lack of notice, testing, and review of homeschoolers, it’s hard to know. But the evaluative question, for practical purposes, at this point is largely moot. Homeschooling is now such an entrenched practice, recriminalization is not a viable option in any event.

However, even if we assume that the benefits of homeschooling when done well are quite substantial, and even if the harms of public school when done poorly are equally so, nothing follows regarding the wisdom of deregulating homeschooling. Special needs kids, vulnerable or sensitive children, parents of children who are for very good reason fearful of bullies, children and parents who rightly or wrongly are repelled by the sexual and misogynist propaganda that proliferates in middle and high school culture, parents of kids who are preternaturally curious and gifted kids themselves, children of the over-educated and underemployed suburban mothers who simply would prefer to do this work themselves than delegate it to the state, all of these children and parents would not be hurt, and would likely be helped, by reasonable state regulation. Annual standardized testing is not the bane of all existence it is often made out to be, and it would give rightly proud parents and children alike a record—and evidence—of their accomplishments. It would also make clear where they had slipped, and where there is need for correction.

As the political philosopher and homeschool critic Robert Reich has persuasively argued, curricular review would give the state a way to ensure that the academic content is such as to protect the children’s interest in both acquiring the necessary skills for active, autonomous, and responsible citizenship in adulthood, and in being exposed to diverse and more liberal ways of life. Mandatory testing would give the states, and the parents, a way to ensure that the students are performing at a level consistent with their own abilities, and consistent with the abilities and performance of their public and private schooled peers. It would give the parents and the state a way to ensure that the children who should be college bound are being prepared for that path, or at least, it would ensure that the parents are aware of their children’s capacity for college level work. Periodic visits would open the door to college and career counseling, of benefit to both the children and their parents. They would give the state a window into the quality of home life, and a way to monitor signs of abuse as well as immunizations. The sanction for failure to comply with minimal curriculum, content, visitation, and testing requirements would simply be enrollment in a certified private or public school. The benefits of homeschooling are now protected through legalization of the practice. Deregulation, however, serves no one’s interests and harms many. Many of the most serious harms could be prevented through its responsible regulation.

Robin L. West
Georgetown University Law Center
west@law.georgetown.edu
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good read. such a sad problem.
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babyfinland posted:
However, even if we assume that the benefits of homeschooling when done well are quite substantial, and even if the harms of public school when done poorly are equally so, nothing follows regarding the wisdom of deregulating homeschooling. Special needs kids, vulnerable or sensitive children, parents of children who are for very good reason fearful of bullies, children and parents who rightly or wrongly are repelled by the sexual and misogynist propaganda that proliferates in middle and high school culture, parents of kids who are preternaturally curious and gifted kids themselves, children of the over-educated and underemployed suburban mothers who simply would prefer to do this work themselves than delegate it to the state, all of these children and parents would not be hurt, and would likely be helped, by reasonable state regulation.



This is worth quoting because every time homeschooling comes up there's somebody ready to defend it on the grounds that "my parents weren't like that, my parents really did a good job and and I turned out fine etc." And sure, but what about all the other kids who were just mentioned as having subpar educations and socialization?

When I was growing up in the boonies we had some Baptist neighbors who homeschooled. Heavy biblical shit going on, shielding the kids from the secular realm. No Wishbone, no Shakespeare, no Disney films (one out of three ain't bad I guess). Nice kids, but their futures were essentially pre-ordained by God's will.

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every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school
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thirdplace posted:
every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school



Thanks for the tip, Sadfailman

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thirdplace posted:
every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school



wouldn't a better way to phrase this be that all the happiness and success you've had in your life has mostly been a matter of overcoming the fact that you were a tiny cowardly turd in middle school

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i dominated public school. glad to be doing my duty
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thirdplace posted:
every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school


and for other folks its the start of a major depressive disorder that consumes their adult life so thats not a good argument

getting rid of homeschooling in a civilized country that takes care of bullying and has high educational standards is a good idea. in america, esp. red states, i can't really see much of an improvement in quality of education or social environment enough to really care what parents do

jettojagga posted:
Heavy biblical shit going on, shielding the kids from the secular realm. No Wishbone, no Shakespeare, no Disney films (one out of three ain't bad I guess). Nice kids, but their futures were essentially pre-ordained by God's will.



there are plenty of public schools where you never gonna touch shakespeare. the non-AP senior english material in my highschool was like, animal farm, lord of the flies and other 100 page wonders (with AZ cracking down on ESL programs for quite a while, the classes would usually have 5 or 6 kids that had a real hard time speaking english and so fancy language stuff with "thou" or "methinks" was out of the question)

edit: and i'm not talking country bumpkin high, this is a 2000-2500 student high school in a metropolitan area of 1 million people that had modern pentium 3 computers when i went and built a multi-story shaded parking garage for students. in terms of schools here it had a fair chunk of change

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i would like to see a color version of that chart
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tapespeed posted:

thirdplace posted:
every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school

and for other folks its the start of a major depressive disorder that consumes their adult life so thats not a good argument

you misunderstand me, i'm not saying "oh i overcame obstacles and grew as a person" i'm saying "i needed a remedial education because i had been brainwashed by little tarantulas."

really, what the fuck is the social scene in presecondary school supposed to be preparing you for? nobody wants to be there, nobody can leave, nothing anyone does matters, the authorities are totally unappealable; it's not like anything i've ever experienced as an adult. i've never seen a workplace with the level of peer antagonism as a school and a lot of the shit that is routine for students to do to one another would literally be a federal offense as an adult, grounds for firing at the very least. good practice for prison, and good practice for learning to hate authority (except for all the people who love it) but that's about it

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mangosteen posted:
wouldn't a better way to phrase this be that all the happiness and success you've had in your life has mostly been a matter of overcoming the fact that you were a tiny cowardly turd in middle school


no, not really

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schools own. not the schools fault your a weakling coward ahahah
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Oh no my little tarantulas made my lil spindly spider's life bad.. im a Bad Boy... a Bad Bad Boy.. Why dont u punish me?? I need to be remediated.. remediate my ass into myass.. TYEA How do i liek that??
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y'all would have a point except that now I'm awesome
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well then you should be GRATEFUL
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thirdplace posted:

tapespeed posted:

thirdplace posted:
every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school

and for other folks its the start of a major depressive disorder that consumes their adult life so thats not a good argument

you misunderstand me, i'm not saying "oh i overcame obstacles and grew as a person" i'm saying "i needed a remedial education because i had been brainwashed by little tarantulas."

really, what the fuck is the social scene in presecondary school supposed to be preparing you for? nobody wants to be there, nobody can leave, nothing anyone does matters, the authorities are totally unappealable; it's not like anything i've ever experienced as an adult. i've never seen a workplace with the level of peer antagonism as a school and a lot of the shit that is routine for students to do to one another would literally be a federal offense as an adult, grounds for firing at the very least. good practice for prison, and good practice for learning to hate authority (except for all the people who love it) but that's about it



everybody goes to school. schooling itself doesnt have to individually socialize you, the shared experience of school is the socialization. You are Such a Ahistorical

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thirdplace posted:
y'all would have a point except that now I'm awesome



i think youre a retard how about that

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what if you went to a great school and it made your life suck. why do you regret your life. deny you eternal return?
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babyfinland posted:
everybody goes to school. schooling itself doesnt have to individually socialize you, the shared experience of school is the socialization. You are Such a Ahistorical


the shared experience of pointless torture

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lungfish posted:

babyfinland posted:
everybody goes to school. schooling itself doesnt have to individually socialize you, the shared experience of school is the socialization. You are Such a Ahistorical

the shared experience of pointless torture



sure

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Coming from an inside perspective, I think you should homeschool or alternative-school your kids if you meet the following criteria:

1. You can afford it
2. You are smart
3. There are ample opportunities for socialization

You really have no idea just how terrible every public school is at nurturing intellectual, creative, and vocational development. They are so bad. If you don't believe me then you either live in an incredibly privileged community or never leave your house and work with other people ever.
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there is no institutionalized education that is worth anything on the face of the education alone
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Not wanting a child to be force-fed state-standardized "knowledge" for 2200 days of their life is completely reasonable hardly an attempt to create a safe space "bubble."
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The socialization argument might make sense if children were actually permitted to socialize for more than an hour each day.
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NounsareVerbs posted:
Not wanting a child to be force-fed state-standardized "knowledge" for 2200 days of their life is completely reasonable hardly an attempt to create a safe space "bubble."



thats exactly what it is you moron

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NounsareVerbs posted:
The socialization argument might make sense if children were actually permitted to socialize for more than an hour each day.



youre dumb

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if you dont stop acting like a damn fool im gonna throw you in the IFAP to protect you from being force fed real talk
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yea whatevs not like i do this shit for a living or anything

NounsareVerbs posted:
if you dont stop acting like a damn fool im gonna throw you in the IFAP to protect you from being force fed real talk



and create a safe space for yourself? cognitive dissonance has reached peak capacity!

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child molestor
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homeschooling? a fascist war machine cannot thrive without proper indoctrination.

if children around here were allowed to be home schooled how would we ensure they grow up with the proper opinions? silly americans with there liberal values. tsp tsp.
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tapespeed posted:
getting rid of homeschooling in a civilized country that takes care of bullying and has high educational standards is a good idea. in america, esp. red states, i can't really see much of an improvement in quality of education or social environment enough to really care what parents do



yeah i'm sure that kids are getting a better education from lurleen, the amazing GED-certified unemployed creationist burger king assistant manager than they are from a public institution however underfunded

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thirdplace posted:

tapespeed posted:

thirdplace posted:
every time i hear someone talk about the benefits of public school socialization i recall the fact that what happiness and success i've had in my life has mostly been a matter of unlearning the coping skills i picked up in middle school

and for other folks its the start of a major depressive disorder that consumes their adult life so thats not a good argument

you misunderstand me, i'm not saying "oh i overcame obstacles and grew as a person" i'm saying "i needed a remedial education because i had been brainwashed by little tarantulas."

really, what the fuck is the social scene in presecondary school supposed to be preparing you for? nobody wants to be there, nobody can leave, nothing anyone does matters, the authorities are totally unappealable; it's not like anything i've ever experienced as an adult. i've never seen a workplace with the level of peer antagonism as a school and a lot of the shit that is routine for students to do to one another would literally be a federal offense as an adult, grounds for firing at the very least. good practice for prison, and good practice for learning to hate authority (except for all the people who love it) but that's about it



presecondary school is preparing you for not being a whiny bitch who realizes he has to do shit he doesn't like.

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NounsareVerbs posted:
Not wanting a child to be force-fed state-standardized "knowledge" for 2200 days of their life is completely reasonable hardly an attempt to create a safe space "bubble."



"knowledge" such as math, reading, literacy, and science

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Has anyone here actually been inside a city highschool classroom?
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i mean i personally don't know what kind of ein svei death camp your middle school was but it was there that i learned basic mastery of most of the skills i use on a daily basis such as reading, writing, non-algebraic math and basic science. if you went to school in the film adaptation of pink floyd's the wall then my apologies
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NounsareVerbs posted:
Has anyone here actually been inside a city highschool classroom?



i tried to get in but the guards menaced me with dogs. i feel like i could have taken them and gotten over the razor wire but why take the risk

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mangosteen posted:
i mean i personally don't know what kind of ein svei death camp your middle school was but it was there that i learned basic mastery of most of the skills i use on a daily basis such as reading, writing, non-algebraic math and basic science. if you went to school in the film adaptation of pink floyd's the wall then my apologies

funny, i remember going to first grade and being expected to know how to read already. bluh??