#17001
leaving aside king's issues with smith's methods (smith's proceeding from the TFRP, etc.), as far as i can tell the main point of opposition between the two is that smith claims that imperialist rent is a "distributional phenomenon [...] which is remote from the production process itself" and so, for smith, is expressible entirely in legal terms (smith, imperialism in the 21st century p230-1). king accounts for this parasitic "second helping" provided to those monopolies involved in the production of differentiated commodities as only being possible because of "supremacy in the labour process" as "productivity begets parasitism" (king, p213-4). smith claims productive techniques are only monopolistic because of "legal monopoly."

king highlights in detail the qualitative differences between core and peripheral labor and their reproductions. he basically proceeds from mandel: "The idea that national labour can be developed to a qualitatively higher sphere when the actual daily experience of workers is the most mindnumbing, back-breaking and life-shortening work is a fundamentally un-materialist argument" (p218). so, unlike for smith, for king it is the nationally lower level of labor itself (and this is obviously originates in colonial subjugation) that serves as the fundamental barrier. technical education in the third world (primarily india, china) is either simply not competitive, or top-level graduates are funneled into research centers directly owned by the first world and the remaining graduates are subjected to low-end development work (e.g. reverse engineering).

king leaves room for your comments on china: "..., the outcome of such attempts [by China to conduct R&D/production that would rival that of monopoly], and more broadly the outcome of the coming period, not the neoliberal expansion, will give a more credible evidence regarding China's ability, or otherwise, to rise up the value chain in the way so many anticipate." the point being that there's a qualitative break between china's rise to the top of the third world and the prophesied break into the first world. he grants huawei an exceptional position throughout the analysis but on the other hand he references china's grand failures in this regard (COMAC, etc).

what do you mean when you say this work aims to threaten the labor aristocracy thesis? i didn't get that at all. not sure about amin... man i have a lot to read. like i said reading this thesis was inspirational for me for whatever reason but i don't mean to defend this dude to the grave or something.. just trying to work things through
#17002
I gotta read this thesis, i was recently pretty impressed with the revised MR version of "the law of worldwide value" by amin, so i'm curious what the beef with him is
#17003

nearlyoctober posted:

? i didn't get that at all. not sure about amin...



They both argue that there are two rates of profit because monopoly prevents their equalization. Shaikh seemingly demonstrates otherwise empirically, and to argue instead that what holds in a nation does not hold globally makes less sense today than it would have historically

#17004

nearlyoctober posted:

man i have a lot to read. like i said reading this thesis was inspirational for me for whatever reason but i don't mean to defend this dude to the grave or something.. just trying to work things through



I get this and I also want to say upon having finishing reading it that i respect Jackson and his contribution towards retheorizing monopoly and competition along orthodox Marxist lines. I'm glad we're starting to get some serious works of global political economy, it's exciting.

#17005
currently reading noted social chauvinist slavoj hitler

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/472680-women-empowerment-gender-mustaches/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
#17006
new manyfesto post https://manyfesto.wordpress.com/2019/11/08/the-hemisphere-is-on-fire/
#17007

sovnarkoman posted:

currently reading noted social chauvinist slavoj hitler

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/472680-women-empowerment-gender-mustaches/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



truly pc sjwism is the most oppressive form of corporate capitalism

#17008

toyotathon posted:

new manyfesto post https://manyfesto.wordpress.com/2019/11/08/the-hemisphere-is-on-fire/


#17009
Sakai, J. Settlers: The Mythology of the White Proletariat from Mayflower to Modern. Montreal, QC: Kersplebedeb Publishing and Distributing, 2014.
#17010
didnt know where to post this but lol https://www.thecut.com/amp/2019/11/rachel-rabbit-white-poetry-book-launch-party.html
#17011
so all the brooklyn hipsters are now doing PCP, that's cool
#17012
that article was horrifying. it sounds like it was a space for queer and trans people to have sex and do drugs. sounds cool, have fun. however, the nonchalance of doing so many drugs in public, being photographed, with no fear of the police, or being fired from your job is beyond anything i've had experience with (my cousin back in belgrade just got busted for selling weed to his friends, and is probably going to serve a multiple year stint). also, the replication of pornified misogyny as reclamation seems a little bit suspect if you're literally going to be throwing money at a woman twerking.
#17013
maybe i'm square but those people sound exhausting, not interesting
#17014
idk i used to hang out with kids like that when I was younger, they just weren't "media" con artists living off their parents' fortunes or booj-tourist-prostitutes and they weren't bragging to reporters about the drugs they were doing so idk maybe not like that.
#17015
well, you could say it "sucks" but personally i think if the article and that party are to be attacked then it should done be in the sharpest and most extreme way possible. just my opinion
#17016

elemennop posted:

that article was horrifying. it sounds like it was a space for queer and trans people to have sex and do drugs. sounds cool, have fun. however, the nonchalance of doing so many drugs in public, being photographed, with no fear of the police, or being fired from your job is beyond anything i've had experience with (my cousin back in belgrade just got busted for selling weed to his friends, and is probably going to serve a multiple year stint). also, the replication of pornified misogyny as reclamation seems a little bit suspect if you're literally going to be throwing money at a woman twerking.


yeah there are gay bars like that but they keep a low profile and definitely wouldn't want their damn pictures in a magazine. there usually isn't enough light inside for photographs anyways.

re: new york hipsters, i think the problem all began with lou reed taking a dump on somebody during an orgy while high on a mix of crack cocaine and heroin. somehow for the music press at the time this was considered liberating, like doing all the drugs and having all the sex would redeem the world, but the philosophical tradition that led to that particular eightball dump was probably not the most compelling in the history of the western canon. reed was also a violent misogynist who hated his own audience. the hatred for his fans was probably the only sensible thing about reed though, because he really sucked and couldn't carry a tune to save his life. complete bilge and just sonically dreadful in every possible way. yet brooklyn audiences would still show up to listen to him suck, inspiring whole legions of extremely uninteresting hipsters to keep consuming all the drugs as if that was a profound or interesting thing. but if you ask me, they just do the drugs because they want to.


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#17017
I don't think anecdotes of rock debauchery recounted in Rolling Stone articles had an impact on anything but the mental trivia banks of Rolling Stone readers, actually.
#17018

cars posted:

idk i used to hang out with kids like that when I was younger, they just weren't "media" con artists living off their parents' fortunes or booj-tourist-prostitutes and they weren't bragging to reporters about the drugs they were doing so idk maybe not like that.


blinkandwheeze posted:

I don't think anecdotes of rock debauchery recounted in Rolling Stone articles had an impact on anything but the mental trivia banks of Rolling Stone readers, actually.


yeah i'm just beating the same drum as everyone else at this point but i think seeing how false this shit rings now is a good way to reality check the journalism of the past: articles like these aren't meaningful samples of contemporary queer culture, they're the floater pond scum of "the kinds of people who would want to be in these kinds of articles," same as in any other scene in the midst of being brutally devoured by the hegemon. you don't hook in to actual marginalized peoples for your media blitz, you skim off the top of photogenic trust fund imposters with a budget line item dedicated to cultivating their Personal Brands.

it can still be seriously dangerous to be out and photographed for queer people and sex workers who have to live actual real lives without the fallback of Grandpapa Demi-Hitler's infinite money cheat code. maybe i'm getting old and out of touch about the rest of this accursed continent but in my city if someone brought media photographers in to the kind of party this is supposed to have been they would have their fucking snitch head mounted on a pike the next morning, and everyone would know it was well deserved

#17019
there are definitely people in the world who romanticise these kinds of lurid accounts enough to want to recreate it in facsimile but that's a specific type of dork that's at a distance from the events themselves. Say what you will about the exhausting hedonism of society-page mugging trust fund brats but all this is nothing if not an authentic and genuine expression of their class character.

also cale & nico were the real talents obviously but i'd still rather listen to the third vu album than almost anything else in the dad rock canon.
#17020
did some rich humans take drugs and have sex?
#17021
yes & naturally they should eat shit
#17022
try the jenkem
#17023
Intermediate Accounting by Donald E. Kieso
#17024
the worst thing about that cocaine orgy was the fact that everyone said "we were doing communism at that party and the person dressed as a loli sex kitten is in a literal workers union actually" and proceeded to call the haters self-righteous SWERF tankies or whatever. also i didnt even come early enough for free blow.