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Urbandale posted:

swampman posted:

Urbandale posted:

swampman posted:

Fun participation component to this fun thread: please tHE r H i z z o n E member, list the 10 Basic Books Any Real Leftist Would Have Read Long Ago. Im placing some book orders and want to "roundout" my collecton.

Non-Fiction

Lenin's Imperialism
Farm to Factory
Liberalism: A Counter History
John Brown at Harper's Ferry
Red Star over China
Soldiers in Revolt: GI Resistance During the Vietnam War

farm to factory is almost $40. that is bullshit I'm not buying that one.

fair. its my favorite book that covers the early soviet period though. details the arguments between various soviet economists (largely preobrazhensky v bukharin), the specific reasons why they went with a heavy-industry focus for the first five year plan and what various policies were that effected the peasants, pile-of-skull history attributed to stalin/the ussr (purges, holodomor, etc)

i ordered this one instead http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0323013295

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i've been reading this dude's articles, theyre a pretty fun and entertaining read about living in the dismally corrupt and vindictively bureaucratic prison system after being jailed for being a radical-type journalist: https://theintercept.com/2015/07/16/barrett-brown-review-prison/
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aerdil posted:

i've been reading this dude's articles, theyre a pretty fun and entertaining read about living in the dismally corrupt and vindictively bureaucratic prison system after being jailed for being a radical-type journalist: https://theintercept.com/2015/07/16/barrett-brown-review-prison/


read until i saw 'Anonymous,' dry heaved a couple times, closed tab.

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shriekingviolet posted:

aerdil posted:

i've been reading this dude's articles, theyre a pretty fun and entertaining read about living in the dismally corrupt and vindictively bureaucratic prison system after being jailed for being a radical-type journalist: https://theintercept.com/2015/07/16/barrett-brown-review-prison/

read until i saw 'Anonymous,' dry heaved a couple times, closed tab.



lol, i'll help you out then:

The surreal details of the case itself may be found in any number of mainstream and not-so-mainstream news articles, from which you will learn that I was the official spokesman for (redacted), or perhaps the unofficial spokesman for (redacted), or maybe simply the self-proclaimed spokesman for (redacted), or alternatively the guy who denied being the spokesman for (redacted) over and over again, sometimes on national television to no apparent effect.


but yeah the history of anonymous stuff is idiotic, but he disavowed his ties to them years ago and while remaining idiotic it's in a sorta endearing way considering his travails with the american justice system

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if you wanna read something light and fun:
https://np.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
#13047
i started reading "the home and the world" by tagore.
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aerdil posted:

lol, i'll help you out then:

The surreal details of the case itself may be found in any number of mainstream and not-so-mainstream news articles, from which you will learn that I was the official spokesman for (redacted), or perhaps the unofficial spokesman for (redacted), or maybe simply the self-proclaimed spokesman for (redacted), or alternatively the guy who denied being the spokesman for (redacted) over and over again, sometimes on national television to no apparent effect.


but yeah the history of anonymous stuff is idiotic, but he disavowed his ties to them years ago and while remaining idiotic it's in a sorta endearing way considering his travails with the american justice system


that is helpful, thank you

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so a long time ago, in 2007 or so, i worked for the campus newspaper at the university of utah. because i was at one point an employee, my university account got changed into an 'employee' account and when i was fired (lol) it didnt revert to a normal student account. why does this matter. well. normal student accounts are deactivated and you lose your access to university resources such as the journal subscriptions and the right to put shit on hold at the library. but since mine never was i have those things. i just noticed today that i can still search and download shit on jstor. so basically i no longer have a problem with academic publishing. its all cool now.
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stegosaurus posted:

so a long time ago, in 2007 or so, i worked for the campus newspaper at the university of utah. because i was at one point an employee, my university account got changed into an 'employee' account and when i was fired (lol) it didnt revert to a normal student account. why does this matter. well. normal student accounts are deactivated and you lose your access to university resources such as the journal subscriptions and the right to put shit on hold at the library. but since mine never was i have those things. i just noticed today that i can still search and download shit on jstor. so basically i no longer have a problem with academic publishing. its all cool now.

booyah grandma

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im excited.
#13053
its important
#13054
i really wish i had access to journal searchs
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getfiscal posted:

booyah grandma



ageism. that's a ban

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u might have jstor access if u have a public library card and u dont live in some podunk town, hth
#13057
HmMmm
#13058
im so glad they do the 3 items per fortnight trial thing, before they introduced that i was going insane every time i wanted to read a thing, i was actually buying books and stuff
#13059
i buy most of my books and then sell them when i'm finished
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on the off chance that anyone needs help throwing up or a reminder of how bad jacobin can be, this is one of the wortst things i've ever seen i need to stop abusing myself like this https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/12/erik-olin-wright-real-utopias-anticapitalism-democracy/
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i stopped reading those publicans years ago
#13062
i'm mostly interested in nazism and psychoanalysis, with a lil bit of science sprinkled in. oh yeah and finding the boy of my dreams
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chickeon posted:

on the off chance that anyone needs help throwing up or a reminder of how bad jacobin can be, this is one of the wortst things i've ever seen i need to stop abusing myself like this https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/12/erik-olin-wright-real-utopias-anticapitalism-democracy/

what i find confusing about that is that he essentially recites eduard bernstein point by point but he used a tortured framing that tries to present it as an innovation based on new experiences.

like what are his points:
- the cooperative movement offers a space for workers to self-organize
- public services such as libraries show the capacity for wise government intervention
- social provisions can be extended to provide mutual aid without a full attack on capital
- parliamentary democracy is an important good which shouldn't be risked
- revolutionary cataclysm is not approaching because even though there are crises they are not systemic the point of collapse
- new macroeconomic regulation offers the possibility of evening out capitalism for the time being
- capitalism is developing new technologies which we all love so we should respect that about it and not risk that capacity for innovation
- an evolutionary process could win most of the gains we associated with socialism without risking a new autocracy
- this is still a form of socialism because it is rooted in the real demands of society rather than some abstract utopia

that is just bernsteinism.

#13064
you raised my hackles with that article lol, damn
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not to mention his shining example of worker coops have already been pretty well usurped by neoliberalism

http://monthlyreview.org/2015/02/01/neoliberal-co-optation-of-leading-co-op-organizations-and-a-socialist-counter-politics-of-cooperation/
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getfiscal posted:

you raised my hackles with that article lol, damn

it's so so fucking banal and offers nothing new, it's just whoa whoa slow down there leftos let me draw your attention to this hot fresh alternative doesn't that sound just dandy now? put down your cartoon hammer smashy time is over

#13067
i thought at first it was just pitching smash capitalism to the TED talkistas but no.
#13068
prompt: lenin doing a powerpoint presentation wearing a black turtleneck
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Lenin doing an 18 minute talk on the benefits of workplace flirting, Lenin speaking for exactly 18 minutes about disruptive innovations in light switches, Lenin shot from four angles explaining 18 minutes worth of the benefits of home yoga to a group of appreciative middle managers.
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Keven posted:

Lenin doing an 18 minute talk on the benefits of workplace flirting, Lenin speaking for exactly 18 minutes about disruptive innovations in light switches, Lenin shot from four angles explaining 18 minutes worth of the benefits of home yoga to a group of appreciative middle managers.



if you're going to mock the game don't play it

#13071
Fag.
#13072
whoa i'm sorry keven but that kind of homophobia and language isn't acceptable here on the rhizzone, this is a family-oriented forum that parents, like goatstein, frequently use.
#13073

getfiscal posted:

that is just bernsteinism.



i don't know bernstein but as a pro-am hater i am curious whether it's bad enough that someone could charge plagiarism. is it?

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Keven posted:

Lenin doing an 18 minute talk on the benefits of workplace flirting, Lenin speaking for exactly 18 minutes about disruptive innovations in light switches, Lenin shot from four angles explaining 18 minutes worth of the benefits of home yoga to a group of appreciative middle managers.


this would be insane holy shit lol

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jools posted:

wow million dollar extreme owns though

#13076

jools posted:

a guy got banned for sending a mom drugs, then swampman got banned for laughing at it

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#13078
i just finished capital vol 2, and i thought it was really interesting. some of the models of money capital precipitating out due to the length of the circulation time seemed a little shaky but the 2 department model of social production was really cool
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12 pages in

There are three definitions of freedom: two of them are false, and one is true. The first false definition is "Freedom is the right to do whatever I please." This is the liberal doctrine of freedom, which reduces freedom to a physical, rather than to a moral, power. Of course we are free to do whatever we please--but ought we to do these things? This kind of freedom, in which everyone is allowed to seek his own benefit, produces confusion. There is no liberalism of this particular kind without a world of conflicting egotisms, where no one is willing to submerge himself for the common good. In order to overcome this confusion of everyone's doing whatever he pleaes, there arose the second false definition of freedom, namely, "Freedom is the right to do whatever you must." There is totalitarian freedom, which was developed in order to destroy individual freedom for the sake of society. So man is free in Communist society because he must obey the law of the dictator.

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