#1
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/02/14/sand-f14.html

therefore, the premise of the thread. QED
#2
the article seems fine but i refuse to link to wsws on principle lol
#3
Same
#4
WSWS always makes me think of the one guy I knew in college who was really into sending me links from that site. he built a big customer base on campus using the patchwork legality of 2Cs, but he had a bad night on 5-MeO-DMT where he knocked a vending machine over in a dorm to steal snacks and started tearing his own shared dorm room apart looking for listening devices. he got trespassed and kicked out of school. we later found out he was the kid of some state-level legislator or something, and I stopped being anarcho and figured out that WSWS is Trot, which was ironic because ISO spent years trying to find someone on campus they could use for entryism. invest in your ground game!!
#5
with the PSL Bernie article and lesser evilism being re-examined among socialists/communists it will be interesting to see if a mass shift towards electoralism happens on the far left.
#6
What a truly shocking exposé, revealing the previously occult knowledge that a man running for Head Hitler In Charge might, if successful, end up doing hitler stuff
#7

Synergy posted:

it will be interesting to see if a mass shift towards electoralism happens on the far left.


would be interesting to see if anyone would even notice

#8

Synergy posted:

with the PSL Bernie article and lesser evilism being re-examined among socialists/communists it will be interesting to see if a mass shift towards electoralism happens on the far left.


#9
I think it's wrong of the WSWS to advocate voting a for Trump but the purpose of this thread is to consider rationally, in the cool light of day time, whether Sanders wouldnt be worse for the grouplets of people wo dont live in USA than Incompetent Chief Cheeto in Chief. Just lke last time

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#10
that argument would carry more weight if the whole imperial apparatus were in any way slowed down or hindered by the doofus hhic but our robits are killing more folks than ever
#11
what is for me, really, is that i like to back a winning horse. trump 2020
#12
I think we should conduct a poll of the world's people and ask them who they want to see serve as the Big Cheeseburger, and then vote accordingly. I believe in democracy. But true democracy will not come until the entire world has a vote in the American elections.
#13
i disagree. amerikkkans should not be allowed to vote for hhic
#14
There should be no voting, the loudest and the dumbest shall continue to lead uncontested.
#15

Populares posted:

the loudest and the dumbest shall continue to lead uncontested.


sudden realization that i've been the president this whole time

#16
shriekingorange
#17
hwo about this for the left case for trump: if we're being honest, trump is going to win because 1) the dnc is not going to send up sanders and 1.5) even bourgeois amerikans know that buttigieg or bloomberg would be far, far worse so 2) we might as well stop lying to ourselves that there is any other potential future
#18
This fourth reich is making me thirsty, *drinks pabst*
#19
bump
#20
gas
#21
#22
is tihs groundhogs day or some shit

aerdil posted:

from the one day i was bored and decided to troll the bernie thread on sa:


#23
1mpper
#24

Flying_horse_in_saudi_arabia posted:

gas


#25
On the day the Governor of Florida declared that the professional wrestling company owned by Trumps secretary of the Small Business Administration was essential and exempt from state lockdowns, trump directly accused one of the two interstate compacts recently signed to deny presidential authority over businesses and public health as being a precursor to independence
#26

MarxUltor posted:

On the day the Governor of Florida declared that the professional wrestling company owned by Trumps secretary of the Small Business Administration was essential and exempt from state lockdowns, trump directly accused one of the two interstate compacts recently signed to deny presidential authority over businesses and public health as being a precursor to independence


everything's coming up milhouse

#27

drwhat posted:

MarxUltor posted:

On the day the Governor of Florida declared that the professional wrestling company owned by Trumps secretary of the Small Business Administration was essential and exempt from state lockdowns, trump directly accused one of the two interstate compacts recently signed to deny presidential authority over businesses and public health as being a precursor to independence

everything's coming up milhouse


#28


I thought this was funny because "Joe Biden Will Lead a Government" sounds like a phrase the CIA would come up with when throwing its support behind "informal mechanisms" to restore good ol' fashioned middle-class security and stability after a "legitimacy deficit," ala Gen. Sisi in Egypt. Biden can also dress the part with a pair of aviator sunglasses. The phrasing "liberal autocracies" has come up a bit too in the liberal-military-intelligence / institutional blob media as a way to counter what they deem as "illiberal democracies."

From that PSL article posted here:

Since Trump became a phenomena in the 2016 election, which was mainly the result of virtually undiluted, free and constant media time given to him by CNN, CBS, and the capitalist-owned media outlets in the United States (all pursuing a narrow agenda connected to their ratings and advertising money) the Party for Socialism and Liberation has explained that significant sectors of the U.S. ruling class would be profoundly dissatisfied with Trump as the CEO of the government that serves their interests.

Trump is not trusted by the bourgeoisie to be the top executive to manage their common affairs. He neither has the inclination, training or temperament for the task at hand. In fact, his absolute narcissism, hustling and dictatorial style makes him a destabilizing factor for imperialism and the institutions of the U.S.-dominated world order that they have carefully managed for decades. That’s their main beef with Trump.

As early as February 2016 we reminded people of Karl Marx’s incisive generalization in the Communist Manifesto: “The executive of the modern state is but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.” Trump is a destabilizing factor at a time when the big bourgeoisie craves not just profits but stability and are facing, in the words of the Pentagon’s National Security Strategy, an emerging era of “great power competition.”

The ‘steady state’

Trump temporarily overcame the big bourgeoisie’s hostility to him, for a few days, with the bombing of Syria in April 2017. He purchased wider ruling-class appreciation with the gargantuan tax giveaway to the banks, corporations and already wealthy. Grateful as the capitalists are for this redistribution of wealth to the already rich, they are still skeptical of him. It is mainly in coal, oil, steel, aluminum and the weapons industries that Trump retains solid support from some sectors of the capitalists. He also has considerable support in the white middle class and considerable sectors of white workers.

But the author of the New York Times editorial represents the professional class of managers of the permanent state apparatus and they revile Trump. In describing their quiet — and now open — subversion against Trump the author aptly describes who they are and what their mission is in the framework of the capitalist ruling class and its global empire: “This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.”

It’s critically important for socialists who are organizing against Trump’s egregious and reactionary policies not to become the tail to the “steady state,” which at its core is the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI and other instruments of repression. That is the state apparatus of the capitalists and their overt and covert instruments of global domination.

https://www.liberationnews.org/socialist-orientation-splits-trump-administration-capitalist-class/







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#29
watch joe biden lead a government
#30
*tips fedora* m'leader
#31
#32
captain, we're seeing levels of leading a government that are off the charts!
#33
Biden, his government led
#34

cars posted:

Biden, his government led



biden and kamala at milwaukee. biden and kamala in the white house!

#35
"Could you really imagine anyone else in the White House, except Biden?"

*quickly skips to next point as hands start to raise*
#36
#37
who cares

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#38

toyot posted:

who cares


#39
ok- it was some inside knowledge that tara reade used to testify couple counties over from me in DV cases, except on false credentials, revealed under her new spotlight. so a lot of DV convictions are now being overturned in monterey county. in california the police are required to make an arrest every DV call, so people call them thinking they'll help defuse a situation, or they arrive to one already defused. but they're required to fill the jail on every call so a lot of these DV cases are junk. in court the victim 98% of the time testifies for the defense. the reason arrests are mandatory, is they've got a little lumpen scam going. conviction means a year of $xx,xxx classes you need to quit your job for, 100% attendance required or you gotta restart (and repay). the cost is almost always footed by the victim (since you can't realistically both work and take them). anyway tara reade (under the name alexander mccabe) working for the DA would try to convince juries to convict, so, to not trust the 98% recanting women & men.

DV is only fixed by a family member, friend or neighbor threatening to beat the abuser up, or kill him, sometimes following thru. i've been there when the stupid cops are called and they don't do shit. all they do is try to make money off you. they're a fucking white power gang, their job is to extract as much money from hurt families as they can.

gossip about the big bourgeois election ceremony. who cares
#40

toyot posted:

except on false credentials