#81
when you just want a quick hit off that j sakai
#82
Mary J. Sakai
#83

sakai posted:

You got to hand it to patriarchal capitalism. Just when we thought that the Bushites were on the run, and maybe ku klux klan civilization's day is over, they come up with some stunning new maneuver. Like this man of theirs, Barak Obama. A biologically white woman versus a biologically African-American man wrestling live on television for the... white man's big toilet seat of power? This is a mutant, science-fiction moment. So what is it with the Obama Show, anyhow?



good post

#84
hello friends, if you were perhaps looking to read a pamphlet/booklet of juicy words by some person, never having read anything buy that person, how long would you want it to be question mark

here is an example length: 40 pages
#85
preferably 420 pages but failing that i would accept 69 pages.
#86
5.
#87

Petrol posted:

preferably 420 pages but failing that i would accept 69 pages.


911 pages it is then

#88
Sakai is bullshit. read better stuff
#89

animedad posted:

Sakai is bullshit. read better stuff



But this is “the on­line mes­sage board where shit-tier Maoist Third Worldists and oth­er ran­dom nerds can meet and mingle”, therefore read Settlers imo

#90

animedad posted:

Sakai is bullshit. read better stuff


what would you suggest?

#91
Gerald Horne maybe? Philip foner, WEB Dubois. peer reviewed socially researched history? I mean Sakai, who the fuck is he and why the consensus around him?
#92

animedad posted:

Gerald Horne maybe? Philip foner, WEB Dubois. peer reviewed socially researched history? I mean Sakai, who the fuck is he and why the consensus around him?


I thought the new Gerald Horne in MR just got posted here? I'd be interested in hearing Horne and Sakai's opinions of each other's work, I'm not sure what their political differences would be? Dubois and Foner have stopped trying to stay relevant, I qwonder what they're up to instead of publishing new material

#93

tears posted:

animedad posted:

Sakai is bullshit. read better stuff

what would you suggest?



have you heard of this guy...called...karl marx????????????*******

#94

animedad posted:

Gerald Horne maybe? Philip foner, WEB Dubois. peer reviewed socially researched history? I mean Sakai, who the fuck is he and why the consensus around him?


He's a proletarian writer with good insights.

#95

animedad posted:

Sakai is bullshit.



*sparks fly as I slam the desk with the big sphere in my glove* Call your first witness.

#96

sovnarkoman posted:

tears posted:

animedad posted:

Sakai is bullshit. read better stuff

what would you suggest?

have you heard of this guy...called...karl marx????????????*******


no i have never heard

#97
what i've read of horne has been great but i don't see any reason to discount an author just because they're not one of the five or six reds to still operate within the good graces of academia. i've met enough academics to be disabused of the notion that they're necessarily better equipped to interpret the world

i mean, "who the fuck is" james yaki sayles or butch lee, for that matter? what gatekeeper approved their writing?
#98
i like j sakai because every time they dive into the past its to find information about what we do about the future
#99
sakai is really funny and would have made a great forums poster, which is the only reasonable criteria for evaluating an author
#100

lo posted:

would have made a great forums poster



the man's not dead, there's still a chance

#101

animedad posted:

I mean Sakai, who the fuck is he and why the consensus around him?


Have you read his work, if so what's wrong with it, if not why the vitriol

#102
he's just trollin
#103
dunking on sakai is funny in the context of being really into baldwin
#104

AZ_IZ_OT posted:

dunking on sakai is funny in the context of being really into baldwin


Always Be Colonizin' - alec baldwin

#105

toyotathon posted:

he's just trollin


i find it hard to believe someone would troll under the handle "anime dad".

#106
Sakai? How many divisions has he got?
#107
i will fight anyone irl that thinks settlers is not a valid historical materialist examination of labor in thee you-nited $n@KKKes o'a meriKkka
#108
#109

gay_swimmer posted:


glad I'm not the only one who thinks about this all the time

#110

animedad posted:

Gerald Horne maybe? Philip foner, WEB Dubois. peer reviewed socially researched history? I mean Sakai, who the fuck is he and why the consensus around him?




i dont think anyone here is opposed to discussing the work of these ppl if you wanna start a thread or put their work on readdubois.com or whatever.

#111
Willing To Die For J Sakai: Inside The Internet's Most Notorious Maoist Cell, nytimes frontpage 4/26/2023
#112
i sincerely wish the full weight of slavery upon thee, animedad, before thou post again
#113

karphead posted:

i sincerely wish the full weight of slavery upon thee, animedad, before thou post again


rude

#114
how many degrees did this Stalin guy have. Zero? What a poser
#115

swampman posted:

karphead posted:

i sincerely wish the full weight of slavery upon thee, animedad, before thou post again

rude



more like embarrassed at getting trolled, anyway...








#116
realized falling asleep last night that i missed the dang book's point, that this whole time, it hasn't been bourgeoisie rule, it's been co-class rule. shared rule between lumpen and bourgeoisie. a parasite class alliance. pretty radical stuff mr. sakai.
#117
what i got is that the lumpen are classless in that they have no fixed relation to the means of production, no endogenous interests, and therefore can be hitched to the wagon of any class project, and this is actually good
#118
^^ edit sorry i posted b4 i saw your post, this wasn't a reply, but it's related..

the bourgeoisie expands the reach of the lumpen, a wider parasite host range. the lumpen class doesn't need to directly steal its means of survival, money or grain or horses, or whatever. organized lumpen can smash iraq and, in class alliance, the bourgeoisie's refineries and petrochem plants can process the oil into cash.
#119

toyotathon posted:

realized falling asleep last night that i missed the dang book's point, that this whole time, it hasn't been bourgeoisie rule, it's been co-class rule. shared rule between lumpen and bourgeoisie. a parasite class alliance. pretty radical stuff mr. sakai.


"Who is the parasite--the unionized crane operator putting up the condo high rise next door or the young sex worker a block away from where im writing this tonight?"

#120
inddeed.. we should not take the law's word on class boundaries, not a good estimate, lumpen defining themselves

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