Petrol posted:misanthropy is so fucking lazy, mate. it's the easiest response to the crushing despair that comes with having even a vague idea of how the world works. but, perhaps instead of turning your anger and frustration on the poor, you could focus on the enemy. you won't feel any better but you also won't be making things worse. ganbatte ne
misanthropy is like how as a kid you think the civil war was about slavery, and then later in high school you read all these more complicated explanations that make it not so cut and dry, and then later in college you find that yes it was almost entirely about slavery. you start out thinking that people are weak contemptible scum, then you read about all these complex systems of power and influence that are manipulating them, then later you realize that this doesn't dispute the original thesis at all and if anything makes it stronger
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:food deserts are nonsense and i've yet to see an example of one existing, let alone it being relevant
you clearly don't know what you're talking about
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:misanthropy is like how as a kid you think the civil war was about slavery, and then later in high school you read all these more complicated explanations that make it not so cut and dry, and then later in college you find that yes it was almost entirely about slavery.
if you were paying attention you would have realised it was about capitalism. fucking seppos talk about slavery like it was just some nasty thing they used to do for no particular reason and then they evolved lol
drwhat posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:food deserts are nonsense and i've yet to see an example of one existing, let alone it being relevant
you clearly don't know what you're talking about
i extend the following challenge which i've seen no one ever successfully achieve: post any address in the US that is definitionally within a "food desert"
drwhat posted:if we accept that marketing removes agency then doesn't the removal of other choices due to planning also remove agency? it sounds like only planners have agency in that case
The whole idea of market = choice vs. planning = no choice is just superficial propaganda at best. If you remove people from poverty are you not giving them freedom and agency that they wouldn't have under capitalism? Same deal with reductions in the work week, technology used rationally instead of producing profit, etc.
Also, supposedly decentralized magical market economies are really planned. Adam Smith understood that the market was an instrument of the state. Decisions made by managers and executives determine what will be produced in what quantities and in which way to a much more significant degree on markets and consumer choices. Campaign contributions and lobbying are another pretty direct example.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:drwhat posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:food deserts are nonsense and i've yet to see an example of one existing, let alone it being relevant
you clearly don't know what you're talking about
i extend the following challenge which i've seen no one ever successfully achieve: post any address in the US that is definitionally within a "food desert"
to be fair the cdc and dept of ag arent very reputable orgs
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:i asked for an address, so far no one has managed to post one
it is difficult to determine from an address whether the person who lives there owns a car or not goat
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:i asked for an address, so far no one has managed to post one
addresses are a form of classism and ableism against the illiterate- try asking siri for directions to the nearest food desert instead
littlegreenpills posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:i asked for an address, so far no one has managed to post one
it is difficult to determine from an address whether the person who lives there owns a car or not goat
is it difficult to post an address? i ask because whenever there is any specific address posted in my experience there are always multiple markets and/or bus stops within 2 miles
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:littlegreenpills posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:i asked for an address, so far no one has managed to post one
it is difficult to determine from an address whether the person who lives there owns a car or not goat
is it difficult to post an address? i ask because whenever there is any specific address posted in my experience there are always multiple markets and/or bus stops within 2 miles
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mormon+Mountain,+Idaho+83611/@45.0113837,-114.9046447,13.25z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x54a78d7f0ee92a99:0x4f909976dc966dcf
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:HenryKrinkle posted:goatstein, i don't object to suggesting parents feed their kids healthy foods. it's just that you specifically deny the connection between being poor and the increased difficulty of being physically fit.
i don't deny that it's harder, i deny the mechanisms most commonly offered, which is that they're too busy or it's a rational economic calculation, rather than that poverty leads to depression, substance abuse and generally not giving a shit
liberals, not explaining their suffering in Marxists terms? What losers. somebody should write a book about how dumb liberals are
Also I mean there are youtubes where clearly affluent Midwestern Moms cook "recipes" and it's all cans and boxes that shit is amazing
littlegreenpills posted:a mile is a very short distance. i can walk a mile in one second. lol. fattos
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drwhat posted:clearly affluent Midwestern Moms cook "recipes" and it's all cans and boxes
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/14/health_or_lobbying_experts_say_us
"LAWRENCE GOSTIN: And the beverages. You know, I would say this: You know, we often—we think of tobacco as an evil industry, and it unquestionably is, and we call it Big Tobacco. But we also need to start to recognize that there’s something called Big Food. Of course, all food isn’t bad. We need to eat. I love to eat, heaven knows. But there’s all kinds of obfuscations, and the political influence of the food industry, particularly meat and the beverage industry—I could also mention alcohol and other industries—are very powerful. They tend to—we tend to think of them as good guys, but they’re not always good guys. And the diets that Americans eat, we think it’s a pure choice. But the kinds of labeling, marketing, producing of unhealthy processed foods of a wide variety—and here we’re talking about meat, quite rightly—is very important. But if you go to a supermarket or if you go to a cafeteria in the morning, you’re going to see all kinds of sausages and bacons, and people putting lots on their plate. That’s really bad for them. And we ought to tell people that."
fresh vegetables have negligible calories and the only reason fruits and fruit juice are considered healthy is that they will sate your demon lust for other processed sugar products, which they are at least better than.
normal people who may not have regular access to a grocery store get fat by eating too much of their staple foods, those foods that contribute the most calories to their diet: rice, bread, pasta, etc. sweets, potato chips, and other "junk" foods just help out the process.
again, tell me if i'm wrong, because this is how i've always thought obesity develops from what i've seen around me.
soda is the absolute devil, the bane of humanity. abolish soda and we will finally be free.
if i knew what a calorie was, how much calories there were in the foods i eat, and that i burn at least 2000 calories a day from just doing nothing, i would have never become fat.
lack of education about nutrition, imo, is far more important a factor than anything else here.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:Petrol posted:misanthropy is so fucking lazy, mate. it's the easiest response to the crushing despair that comes with having even a vague idea of how the world works. but, perhaps instead of turning your anger and frustration on the poor, you could focus on the enemy. you won't feel any better but you also won't be making things worse. ganbatte ne
misanthropy is like how as a kid you think the civil war was about slavery, and then later in high school you read all these more complicated explanations that make it not so cut and dry, and then later in college you find that yes it was almost entirely about slavery. you start out thinking that people are weak contemptible scum, then you read about all these complex systems of power and influence that are manipulating them, then later you realize that this doesn't dispute the original thesis hat all and if anything makes it stronger
if anything power and influence means that we have resources (some more than others) to deal with distress. that judgement that you're making about poor people is a prime example of the idealism of the market, not social materialism. just let it go man and join the proletariat
the term "food desert" is really about whether you have access to good food, not just food. people in food deserts dont have access to quote unquote affordable/good food, even if they have 20 grocery stores within a sq mile. imho the distance from a store is a red herring and it consistently erases class
Peelzebub posted:lack of education about nutrition, imo, is far more important a factor than anything else here.
Peelzebub posted:soda is the absolute devil, the bane of humanity. abolish soda and we will finally be free.
Soda can raise blood pressure significantly, even if you don't drink it yourself.
Translation:
"81.6% of indiginous people in mexico have felt rejected for using their language"
"This xmas some young people wanted to gave them a very special message"
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"Lets stay united (in Mixe language)"
"Break a predjudice and share it #OpenYourHeart"
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The Mixe are sometimes called the "never conquered" because of their resistance to the conquistadors. It is said that they would rather abort or not procreate than continue to exist under spanish yoke. As such Mixe communities that survived were quite isolated and did not intermarry.