commodiusvicus posted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17425269

She cannot get a job because she has no working papers. Neither can her husband, Mohammed, whose temporary residency is about to run out. Their baby son, although born in France, has been denied citizenship.

whoa, American right-wingers should move to France -- the French apparently believe in anchor babies enough to make them illegal

Jus Soli is actually the global exception rather than the rule you know.

Groulxsmith posted:
le pen is not remotely a neo-nazi

the fn was the only party with a clear anti-eu, anti-globalization, pro sovereign currency platform and it's not hard to fault people for being attracted to that in the face of frankfurt and brussels governing your future

(certain) people have been saying this for a while now and recent events have only underlined the fact that the national line is the only real method of defense against international capital. the internal logic of capitalism, which is to say a constant march towards further centralization and accumulation, dictates that the national form must be erased as much as possible, and the natural counter-weight against such a tendency is the far right and its emphasis on the nation.

Groulxsmith posted:
le pen is not a neo nazi so it has nothing to do with the really boring fascist/nazi posting trend

no one really is, the ~real~ contents of nazism as a specific movement, as opposed to simply being far-rightist, is absolutely irrelevant to anyone other than a german revanchist, so it makes zero sense for anyone to identify as a neo-nazi beyond as a way to scare a certain set of people

Tsargon posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
le pen is not a neo nazi so it has nothing to do with the really boring fascist/nazi posting trend

no one really is, the ~real~ contents of nazism as a specific movement, as opposed to simply being far-rightist, is absolutely irrelevant to anyone other than a german revanchist, so it makes zero sense for anyone to identify as a neo-nazi beyond as a way to scare a certain set of people

i agree, it's a smear that is very useful for the liberal and left parties to shout down many ideas that are palatable to the point of almost being bland. her platform isn't too far off from something a real gaullist might have had decades ago

discipline posted:
that's not true lmao, that's like expecting the slavemasters to ask poor white trash if they wanted a bunch of enslaved africans acting as the backbone of the economy

Yes I understand the the views of the local population are irrelevant in the face of capital, but I’m just surprised that for so many years they have allowed the powers that be to change the face of the communities and cities while barely raising a fuss.

I guess it takes quite a while for responses to such unwanted settlement/colonization to arise, e.g. the Mau Mau, Breivik etc.

EmanuelaOrlandi posted:
the liberal elite lol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".

As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.

discipline posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Yes I understand the the views of the local population are irrelevant in the face of capital, but I’m just surprised that for so many years they have allowed the powers that be to change the face of the communities and cities while barely raising a fuss.

it's because for a long time the migrant underclass in europe was supporting the backbone of neoliberal development and a massive influx of cheap precarious labor was in benefit of the labor aristocracy. that's why they didn't raise a fuss.

True, but now they’ve woken up to what’s going on they get called “racist” for raising questions about it or for turning to the BNP or national front, sad.

I don't know how "neo-liberal" France and Germany were in the 60s though, that seems like some loose language

discipline posted:

Tsargon posted:
i mean the concentration of income producing assets (both 'productive' and 'non-productive') in the hands of an increasingly small slice of international businessmen and women

haha we should make a thread to debate the notion of "transnational capitalist class"

how so? i think its pretty much agreed upon that they exist, the contention is just which part of the their name should be objected to more

Tsargon posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

le pen is not remotely a neo-nazi

the fn was the only party with a clear anti-eu, anti-globalization, pro sovereign currency platform and it's not hard to fault people for being attracted to that in the face of frankfurt and brussels governing your future

(certain) people have been saying this for a while now and recent events have only underlined the fact that the national line is the only real method of defense against international capital. the internal logic of capitalism, which is to say a constant march towards further centralization and accumulation, dictates that the national form must be erased as much as possible, and the natural counter-weight against such a tendency is the far right and its emphasis on the nation.

melenchon kind of shares your analysis without the far right stuff