discipline posted:
I don't think there will be mass killings when they can just kill as many muslims as they want abroad and put the immigrants in their place vis- a-vis really bloody newspaper covers and so on

Exactly.

If France is anything like the United States they'll kill a few hundred peasants in Yemen or Somalia who had nothing to do with it just to sate their irrational bloodlust.

It's always so unsatisfying when a mass killing is committed by an individual who snapped for some personal reason or domestic terrorists who get all those darn rights the superior races are afforded, but when they can be connected with worthless foreigners, well, start digging some mass graves we goin' on a killin' spree, yee haw!!

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Tsargon posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

littlegreenpills posted:
who's taking bets for iwc's next I’m not too worried about muslims in America because America is a more tolerant and accepting place where they’re not as protective of their gayass cultural heritage of blood and soil and pungent cheeses and whatnot.

actually,

go on Tsargon.....

1. America has a long and glorious cultural patrimony which is worth defending

2. American soil, while im sure is awful in many places (southern idaho, for one), is also tremendous and worth defending in other places, such as in The Greatest State Of The Union, Washington

3. that America is presently resting in a calm (that is to say more calm) pool w/r/t race relations is not indicative of organic American values, but is rather indicative of the fact that America is politically at the very upper reaches of bourgeois / aristocratic domination and as soon as that domination begins to crack American society shall once more return to the roaring river of race war which characterizes it much more broadly

noavbazzer posted:
you're new schtick was believable until "pc west imports browns"

PC west was a bit of florid language but seriously: How do you expect the British indigenous population to react to a militant, alien people who come over, cost them a lot of money and then tell them to burn in hell.

Would Stalin have accepted that? Would Castro? Would Hoxha?

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

babyfinland posted:

Would any other country not in the politically correct West be dumb enough to import minorities who hate their new country?

Again I ask, how will this NOT end in bloodshed?

we hate them for not fitting in with native culture, then we hate them for hating it here, they cant win

iwc youd be a more convincing advocate of race war if you hadnt fucked off to a colonialist theme park to improve your chances lol

iFederico posted:
iwc have you ever genuinely held a belief non ironically or are you like gyrofry

"Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony." - Heraclitus

Miss Universe Australia experiences Muslim life

For many, suburban pockets like Bankstown in Sydney or Coburg in Melbourne are like countries within a country, with their own rules, their own dress code and their own language.

Rightly or wrongly, the perception is simple: non-Muslims aren’t welcome here.

But one person has been welcomed in and granted access to seek out the truth, and dispel the urban myths.

That person is former Miss Universe Australia, TV star and model, Rachael Finch.

According to demographer and social commentator Bernard Salt “the Muslim community – like any community – like to congregate where people speak their language, where their places of worship are located, and newspapers and supermarkets that provide their food.”

Finch is walking in the shoes of Rebecca Kay, a devout Australian Muslim woman and mother of four. Kay was born in Australia and became Muslim about eight years ago.

But Kay, a former Wollongong surfer girl, has a confession. “Before I was a Muslim, I was a Muslim hater. I used to listen to talkback radio a lot, and have that same kind of attitude. I used to love saying to people ‘if you’re not happy here, then you can go back to where you came from’,” she said.

Today however, Kay is the perfect example of the modern Australian Muslim woman – politically active, driven and fiercely protective of her culture.

“Fearing god and believing in god has taught me to love my fellow human being again, and appreciate people for who they are, not their colour of skin, or the way they look,” Kay said.

Before the cultural exchange can begin, Finch gets the blessing of the Muslim Women’s Association.

“For me it’s a respect thing, because I honour and respect what they’ve done, and I see them as role models,” Finch said.

“It’s important to go and see the elders before we continue on this journey of spirituality, and introducing Rachael to the Islamic culture and faith. Without the elders’ approval you can’t really go anywhere,” Kay explained.

For Salt, respect for elders is “one of the areas where native Australians, domestic Australians, could learn a lot from migrant communities – the way they defer to the elderly in many cases.” A big part of Kay’s week is volunteer work at My Home Respite, a community-based respite centre for children with special needs.

“The women who work there are volunteers, they don’t get paid. Five days a week these women are there,” she said.

“Walking into that respite centre, and seeing those women give up their time for free, to help those less fortunate than them, is an overwhelming feeling,” Finch said.

Over lunch at local favourite, Jasmine One, Finch got acquainted with her first Lebanese feast, before heading off to Auburn Gallipoli Mosque.

Outside, Finch’s physical transformation is clear, but it’s inside the Mosque where she feels different and changed.

“As soon as I walked in, there was a sense of peace and happiness, and if I was to drop a pin I could hear it,” she said.

Finishing off her day with the girls with a shopping trip, Kay shows Finch what Islamic fashion is all about, before heading home to prepare dinner.

“We have people over all the time, it never ends. A lot of people have a lot of kids, they all play together, and it’s really loud,” Kay said.

“We have taught the Greeks, the Italians and perhaps the Muslims about the joys of the backyard barbeque, and they have taught us about new food stuffs, and new values perhaps – like valuing family, valuing the elderly in society,” said Salt.

Finch says she thoroughly enjoyed her day with Kay.

“It was absolutely beautiful,” she said. “I really learnt a lot, and am so grateful for this opportunity.”

“It was nice to be able to walk in her shoes, and see that stereotypes of Australian Muslim women aren’t particularly true. It was a success – to see what multiculturalism is all about, getting to see at the end of the day, we’re all Australians no matter what colour our skin is, or what we believe in, or what our backgrounds are – we’re fair dinkum, dinky die Aussies,” Finch said.

“They’re intelligent, they’re smart, they’re independent, they want a career and they want a family, and to me that’s empowering.”

Kay hopes that something good can come of this story, and that it can encourage people to be more open-minded.

Salt sees the cultural exchange as a positive step. “I think the experiment with Rebecca shows very much the way of the future, with an open and tolerant mind on both sides,” he said.

http://muslimvillage.com/2012/03/27/21052/miss-universe-australia-experiences-muslim-life/

video in link

babyfinland posted:

Miss Universe Australia experiences Muslim life

For many, suburban pockets like Bankstown in Sydney or Coburg in Melbourne are like countries within a country, with their own rules, their own dress code and their own language.

Rightly or wrongly, the perception is simple: non-Muslims aren’t welcome here.

But one person has been welcomed in and granted access to seek out the truth, and dispel the urban myths.

That person is former Miss Universe Australia, TV star and model, Rachael Finch.

According to demographer and social commentator Bernard Salt “the Muslim community – like any community – like to congregate where people speak their language, where their places of worship are located, and newspapers and supermarkets that provide their food.”

Finch is walking in the shoes of Rebecca Kay, a devout Australian Muslim woman and mother of four. Kay was born in Australia and became Muslim about eight years ago.

But Kay, a former Wollongong surfer girl, has a confession. “Before I was a Muslim, I was a Muslim hater. I used to listen to talkback radio a lot, and have that same kind of attitude. I used to love saying to people ‘if you’re not happy here, then you can go back to where you came from’,” she said.

Today however, Kay is the perfect example of the modern Australian Muslim woman – politically active, driven and fiercely protective of her culture.

“Fearing god and believing in god has taught me to love my fellow human being again, and appreciate people for who they are, not their colour of skin, or the way they look,” Kay said.

Before the cultural exchange can begin, Finch gets the blessing of the Muslim Women’s Association.

“For me it’s a respect thing, because I honour and respect what they’ve done, and I see them as role models,” Finch said.

“It’s important to go and see the elders before we continue on this journey of spirituality, and introducing Rachael to the Islamic culture and faith. Without the elders’ approval you can’t really go anywhere,” Kay explained.

For Salt, respect for elders is “one of the areas where native Australians, domestic Australians, could learn a lot from migrant communities – the way they defer to the elderly in many cases.” A big part of Kay’s week is volunteer work at My Home Respite, a community-based respite centre for children with special needs.

“The women who work there are volunteers, they don’t get paid. Five days a week these women are there,” she said.

“Walking into that respite centre, and seeing those women give up their time for free, to help those less fortunate than them, is an overwhelming feeling,” Finch said.

Over lunch at local favourite, Jasmine One, Finch got acquainted with her first Lebanese feast, before heading off to Auburn Gallipoli Mosque.

Outside, Finch’s physical transformation is clear, but it’s inside the Mosque where she feels different and changed.

“As soon as I walked in, there was a sense of peace and happiness, and if I was to drop a pin I could hear it,” she said.

Finishing off her day with the girls with a shopping trip, Kay shows Finch what Islamic fashion is all about, before heading home to prepare dinner.

“We have people over all the time, it never ends. A lot of people have a lot of kids, they all play together, and it’s really loud,” Kay said.

“We have taught the Greeks, the Italians and perhaps the Muslims about the joys of the backyard barbeque, and they have taught us about new food stuffs, and new values perhaps – like valuing family, valuing the elderly in society,” said Salt.

Finch says she thoroughly enjoyed her day with Kay.

“It was absolutely beautiful,” she said. “I really learnt a lot, and am so grateful for this opportunity.”

“It was nice to be able to walk in her shoes, and see that stereotypes of Australian Muslim women aren’t particularly true. It was a success – to see what multiculturalism is all about, getting to see at the end of the day, we’re all Australians no matter what colour our skin is, or what we believe in, or what our backgrounds are – we’re fair dinkum, dinky die Aussies,” Finch said.

“They’re intelligent, they’re smart, they’re independent, they want a career and they want a family, and to me that’s empowering.”

Kay hopes that something good can come of this story, and that it can encourage people to be more open-minded.

Salt sees the cultural exchange as a positive step. “I think the experiment with Rebecca shows very much the way of the future, with an open and tolerant mind on both sides,” he said.

http://muslimvillage.com/2012/03/27/21052/miss-universe-australia-experiences-muslim-life/

video in link

Cool, I’ll check out the link when I knock off work, I’ve been to Auburn Gallipoli mosque on an open day with my parents a couple of years back, it was fun, and Rachel Finch is pretty hot too…..

Despite obvious teething problems, I’m not as concerned about muslim integration to new world countries like America, Canada or Australia. Being “American” or “Canadian” or “Australian” doesn’t carry the same ethnic and historical connotations as being “French” or “German”. I know that here especially, there’s no culture to ‘defend’ apart from platitudes about lifestyle and egalitarianism. Oh and muslim immigrants here tend to live in working class but comfortable suburbia and not the shitty ghettos of Europe.

cleanhands posted:
Finishing off her day with the girls with a shopping trip, Kay shows Finch what Islamic fashion is all about, before heading home to prepare dinner.

She's lucky she went to that Mosque and not Lakemba mosque

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

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Sheik Taj El-Din Hilaly

cleanhands posted:
someone buy that man an account

On 8 January 2007, Hilaly appeared on an Egyptian television program. He made a number of comments that sparked criticism in Australia, including the following:

- British and Irish settlers arrived in Australia as convicts. Muslims paid for their own tickets, and so have more right to Australia

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In March 2009, Hilaly was caught on camera vandalising the Lakemba Mosque and then calling police to report the vandalism. Muslim youths believe that the sheik staged the vandalism—when he kicked in a door to an office—to frame them and gain public support before he was unwittingly caught on security footage.

Ironicwarcriminal posted:

cleanhands posted:
someone buy that man an account

On 8 January 2007, Hilaly appeared on an Egyptian television program. He made a number of comments that sparked criticism in Australia, including the following:

- British and Irish settlers arrived in Australia as convicts. Muslims paid for their own tickets, and so have more right to Australia

hes right