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mine was a lot better :^
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Tsargon posted:
mine was a lot better :^



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better written, perhaps. but i would argue that it misses the point, being that it focuses too much on the individual nation, which is to say, 19th century ideas of nationality, at the expense of the more important concept of comradeship based upon a spiritual-ethical, horizontal conception of belonging. vertical race was the greatest fallacy of the revolution of 1933 and its subsequent knockoffs imo
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wats vertical race
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Poronto
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the waTutsi of rwanda
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sup b*tch
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the anatomic-geographic group to which one belongs to. it is the outdated, materialistic conception of race as a function of skin color, place of birth, etc.
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i never read yockey cuz tsargon said it was dumb but your problem with codreanu is that he didnt make up a new theory of race based on spengler?

because if thats so then i think you missed the point
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well no, not exactly. i suppose my problem would be that the goals of his movement were too limited, in that they only concerned the cathartic palingenesis of the romanian nation, based on an antiquated idea of what the nation meant, which i have already said should be interpreted not as by the color of one's skin or place of birth, as it is in codreanu's world, but rather by the spirit or ethical commitment to the idea of the Culture that a person professes to belong to. in this case, that should have been the Western Culture.

it is here that i believe that he, along with many leaders of the 20th century, missed the mark. by fighting for the supremacy of an individual nation, which belongs to a greater cultural organism, the Western Culture itself suffers and declines. he should have eschewed the nationalist argument in favor of one that promoted the defense of the entire Western Culture against cultural parasites and cultural distorters.

in short, it's not about the primacy of the nation over another nation, but rather the primacy of the Culture as a whole against outside influences that are working to destroy it or divert it from its true destiny.

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what is the the true destiny of western culture?
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to die, unfortunately, like all living organisms. i like to think of my philosophy as putting it on a feeding tube, some terri schiavo shit or whatnot
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innsmouthful posted:
well no, not exactly. i suppose my problem would be that the goals of his movement were too limited, in that they only concerned the cathartic palingenesis of the romanian nation, based on an antiquated idea of what the nation meant, which i have already said should be interpreted not as by the color of one's skin or place of birth, as it is in codreanu's world, but rather by the spirit or ethical commitment to the idea of the Culture that a person professes to belong to. in this case, that should have been the Western Culture.

it is here that i believe that he, along with many leaders of the 20th century, missed the mark. by fighting for the supremacy of an individual nation, which belongs to a greater cultural organism, the Western Culture itself suffers and declines. he should have eschewed the nationalist argument in favor of one that promoted the defense of the entire Western Culture against cultural parasites and cultural distorters.

in short, it's not about the primacy of the nation over another nation, but rather the primacy of the Culture as a whole against outside influences that are working to destroy it or divert it from its true destiny.



yes or no question are you european

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i belong to the western culture
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innsmouthful posted:
well no, not exactly. i suppose my problem would be that the goals of his movement were too limited, in that they only concerned the cathartic palingenesis of the romanian nation, based on an antiquated idea of what the nation meant, which i have already said should be interpreted not as by the color of one's skin or place of birth, as it is in codreanu's world, but rather by the spirit or ethical commitment to the idea of the Culture that a person professes to belong to. in this case, that should have been the Western Culture.

it is here that i believe that he, along with many leaders of the 20th century, missed the mark. by fighting for the supremacy of an individual nation, which belongs to a greater cultural organism, the Western Culture itself suffers and declines. he should have eschewed the nationalist argument in favor of one that promoted the defense of the entire Western Culture against cultural parasites and cultural distorters.

in short, it's not about the primacy of the nation over another nation, but rather the primacy of the Culture as a whole against outside influences that are working to destroy it or divert it from its true destiny.



Why the fuck should a romanian uphold western culture?

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elemennop posted:

innsmouthful posted:
well no, not exactly. i suppose my problem would be that the goals of his movement were too limited, in that they only concerned the cathartic palingenesis of the romanian nation, based on an antiquated idea of what the nation meant, which i have already said should be interpreted not as by the color of one's skin or place of birth, as it is in codreanu's world, but rather by the spirit or ethical commitment to the idea of the Culture that a person professes to belong to. in this case, that should have been the Western Culture.

it is here that i believe that he, along with many leaders of the 20th century, missed the mark. by fighting for the supremacy of an individual nation, which belongs to a greater cultural organism, the Western Culture itself suffers and declines. he should have eschewed the nationalist argument in favor of one that promoted the defense of the entire Western Culture against cultural parasites and cultural distorters.

in short, it's not about the primacy of the nation over another nation, but rather the primacy of the Culture as a whole against outside influences that are working to destroy it or divert it from its true destiny.

Why the fuck should a romanian uphold western culture?


because romania has little to nothing in common with the east except for its adherence to orthodox christianity

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Your evasion of the nationality question pretty much highlights how yockeyism springs from an American desire to be a part of the great old culture that one isnt really a part of anymore and ride the fascist train. So you make up an idea of race that allows you to be included in the great western whole but its totally and ridiculously stupid and inconceivable to real European fascists.
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american patriotism/jingoism/"nationalism" is based on universal ideals inherently incompatible with the idea of nationalism
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noavbazzer posted:
Your evasion of the nationality question pretty much highlights how yockeyism springs from an American desire to be a part of the great old culture that one isnt really a part of anymore and ride the fascist train. So you make up an idea of race that allows you to be included in the great western whole but its totally and ridiculously stupid and inconceivable to real European fascists.



i come at it from the opposite angle, that America has only a tenuous, dusty connection founded much more on the venal interests of economic and military elites than any real organic, cultural connection. european interests are not American interests, and yockeys argument that the entire west is / moves as one as such is not a compelling one.

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Groulxsmith posted:
american patriotism/jingoism/"nationalism" is based on universal ideals inherently incompatible with the idea of nationalism


canada too but i do believe quebec is a nation

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Groulxsmith posted:
american patriotism/jingoism/"nationalism" is based on universal ideals inherently incompatible with the idea of nationalism



this is only a recent development and has far more to do with the mythological narrative of large-scale American imperialism (itself, again, a recent development) which has little to do with the real soul of the American nation

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I agree with all that, my point is just that yockey and his followers capable of intellectually engaging him are just a bunch of weirdos who couldnt go all the way and talk about how America is the inheritor of the Atlantean legacy
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noavbazzer posted:
I agree with all that, my point is just that yockey and his followers capable of intellectually engaging him are just a bunch of weirdos who couldnt go all the way and talk about how America is the inheritor of the Atlantean legacy



is. . .is America the inheritor of the atlantean legacy

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Groulxsmith posted:

elemennop posted:

innsmouthful posted:
well no, not exactly. i suppose my problem would be that the goals of his movement were too limited, in that they only concerned the cathartic palingenesis of the romanian nation, based on an antiquated idea of what the nation meant, which i have already said should be interpreted not as by the color of one's skin or place of birth, as it is in codreanu's world, but rather by the spirit or ethical commitment to the idea of the Culture that a person professes to belong to. in this case, that should have been the Western Culture.

it is here that i believe that he, along with many leaders of the 20th century, missed the mark. by fighting for the supremacy of an individual nation, which belongs to a greater cultural organism, the Western Culture itself suffers and declines. he should have eschewed the nationalist argument in favor of one that promoted the defense of the entire Western Culture against cultural parasites and cultural distorters.

in short, it's not about the primacy of the nation over another nation, but rather the primacy of the Culture as a whole against outside influences that are working to destroy it or divert it from its true destiny.

Why the fuck should a romanian uphold western culture?

because romania has little to nothing in common with the east except for its adherence to orthodox christianity



it has at best been an outpost of the western powers, and currently shares the same geopolitical position as the rest of the balkan countries. it also has been relatively isolated from the west since the fall roman empire. and there is no way you can really separate the local latinized populations from the slavic/avar/turkic peoples that came later and their shared history.

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"Atlantean legacy" sounds like some spurious ass bullshit
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You basically just ape the Conan the Barbarian novels and create a mythos
#146
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Groulxsmith posted:
american patriotism/jingoism/"nationalism" is based on universal ideals inherently incompatible with the idea of nationalism



that means american nationalism is intrinsically imperialist

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tardy on these heaters
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dugin's probably my favorite right wing pervert
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I don't think America should have universal health care. It's obviously good policy and the compassionate thing to do but that's not what America is all about. It's about gross irresponsibility and fatuous proclamations of individual freedom

I would lose a great source of entertainment if America ever became a compassionate or egalitarian society.
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you're in luck
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Sweet, I don't have to worry about Hardcore Pawn and it's rapacious exploitative capitalism being taken off air any time soon, I love that show.
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babyfinland posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
american patriotism/jingoism/"nationalism" is based on universal ideals inherently incompatible with the idea of nationalism

that means american nationalism is intrinsically imperialist


i don't find that all that problematic

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Sweet, I don't have to worry about Hardcore Pawn and it's rapacious exploitative capitalism being taken off air any time soon, I love that show.


pawn stores are but finance with a human face

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Groulxsmith posted:

babyfinland posted:

Groulxsmith posted:
american patriotism/jingoism/"nationalism" is based on universal ideals inherently incompatible with the idea of nationalism

that means american nationalism is intrinsically imperialist

i don't find that all that problematic



this is all a semantic argument to me, i just thought id bring it up for you nerds to squabble about

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Kurdt
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ice road truck stop whores
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#156
sup b*tch
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Tsargon posted:
i come at it from the opposite angle, that America has only a tenuous, dusty connection founded much more on the venal interests of economic and military elites than any real organic, cultural connection. european interests are not American interests, and yockeys argument that the entire west is / moves as one as such is not a compelling one.



ugh the entire west doesn't move as one as of yet. it has to be made to by embracing ethical socialism and uniting against the savages to the east and the distorted western colony to the... west. only then will western civilization be able to limp along in its constant vegetative state

i should state now that america sucks and isn't seriously part of the western culture anymore due to the infiltration and corruption of its once pure pure values by cultural parasites/distorters, and also its dedication to a cosmopolitan lifestyle that puts the needs of money-makers over those of the Culture itself

and w/e about the nationality question b/c i already said nationality is based off a spiritual-ethical idea, rater than where i live. i can be anything i chose to identify with, which i would say, is not an idea that many people in our most "progressive" time would have a problem with

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Groulxsmith posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Sweet, I don't have to worry about Hardcore Pawn and it's rapacious exploitative capitalism being taken off air any time soon, I love that show.

pawn stores are but finance with a human face



Hardcore Pawn is set in Detroit and it’s a certain cosmopolitan family dealing with a largely black customer base.

It’s brutal.

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Ironicwarcriminal posted:

Groulxsmith posted:

Ironicwarcriminal posted:
Sweet, I don't have to worry about Hardcore Pawn and it's rapacious exploitative capitalism being taken off air any time soon, I love that show.

pawn stores are but finance with a human face

Hardcore Pawn is set in Detroit and it’s a certain cosmopolitan family dealing with a largely black customer base.

It’s brutal.


how long until there is a television series that just shows clips from world star hip hop

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innsmouthful posted:

Tsargon posted:
i come at it from the opposite angle, that America has only a tenuous, dusty connection founded much more on the venal interests of economic and military elites than any real organic, cultural connection. european interests are not American interests, and yockeys argument that the entire west is / moves as one as such is not a compelling one.

i should state now that america sucks and isn't seriously part of the western culture anymore due to the infiltration and corruption of its once pure pure values by cultural parasites/distorters, and also its dedication to a cosmopolitan lifestyle that puts the needs of money-makers over those of the Culture itself



If america isn't part of western culture anymore because of "cultural parasites" and cosmopolitanism and placing money above culture then who is? You're maybe left with Austria, Lichenstein and Andorra or something

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innsmouthful posted:
and w/e about the nationality question b/c i already said nationality is based off a spiritual-ethical idea, rater than where i live. i can be anything i chose to identify with, which i would say, is not an idea that many people in our most "progressive" time would have a problem with



sup transrace brother