I wonder if Cuba is getting any their fuel from compressed wood gas, and distilled methane from biodigesters? It's a sustainable way to get fuel to run engines with as long as the people in charge of the process remember to replant whatever they cut down for fuel.
I've been looking for studies that show much fuel you can possibly get from like 1 acre of land in a temperate climate using wood gasifiers and biodigesters on massive levels. I can't find much data. I figure whatever I can find, it still won't be enough to support our current system which demands that so many of us have cars that we have to constantly drive though.
The state initially will require large amounts of manual labor to initially treat the land by shaping it certain ways and planting certain foliage and eventually planting food sources. If the government is really enthusiastic about it, it may take a long time who knows. There's a lot of barren land in the U.S..
When the actual systems get going, the only labor requirements as far as crop maintenance would really be harvesting and annual procedures maybe. (like chop n' drop)
For instance you can still use these systems to mechanically farm grain in a way that actually enriches the land over time and still at rates that can provide large amounts of food.
These systems of farming are far more resilient and I believe they can be transitioned into without disrupting our current, and very delicate, system of agriculture. They don't need any of the things current industrial agriculture requires. They are built upon cheap materials.
tpaine posted:mindmaster do you have any good tractor stories
where i live people who drive tractors are always pwning other cars by not moving over and kind of pushing them into the curb and smoking cigarettes while driving with one hand and by being tractors
tsinava posted:You can use the tractor to dig landscape features like ponds, swales, and berms. Otherwise you wouldn't use it much, except to move piles of stuff around I guess.
I wonder if Cuba is getting any their fuel from compressed wood gas, and distilled methane from biodigesters? It's a sustainable way to get fuel to run engines with as long as the people in charge of the process remember to replant whatever they cut down for fuel.
I've been looking for studies that show much fuel you can possibly get from like 1 acre of land in a temperate climate using wood gasifiers and biodigesters on massive levels. I can't find much data. I figure whatever I can find, it still won't be enough to support our current system which demands that so many of us have cars that we have to constantly drive though.
they've started using animal power heh. if youre working flat land a pair of bueyes can do a lot if you have good equipment. plus they poop out free fertilizer.
I think I remember reading somewhere about them producing fuel from natural sources before they got fuel from other nations for their medical assistance though. I could be wrong.
For a small country, producing fuel from natural sources isn't as good an idea probably, at least when you have other options.
dank_xiaopeng posted:yo son anyone whose interested in maintaining mechanization while transitioning to sustainable modes of large-scale agricultural production should read about cuban agriculture during and after the Special Period
yeah average calorie consumption in cuba dropped a lot after the loss of russian petroleum and agrichemicals but there were no famines, things are working p good now
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/371520/cuba-holodomor-next-door-robert-zubrin
It is in fact illegal to sell beef to a Cuban — not that any of them outside the ruling class would be able to buy much, since the average wage in Cuba is about 50 cents per day, or one-tenth of the minimum legal wage in Mexico. With this pittance, Cubans must subsist on the subsidized rations made available to them by the government. These comprise 5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of sugar, 1 pound of salt, 10 ounces of beans, 8 ounces of cooking oil, 0.15 ounces of coffee mixed with unknown stuff that isn’t coffee, 6 ounces of very-low-quality fish, and 1 pound of a disgusting product made from unsalable animal parts, per month. No fruits or vegetables are included. I repeat: These rations are not free, but must be paid for, with the total bill consuming most of a Cuban’s monthly salary. This leaves almost nothing to spend on additional food, which is available on the black market or in “dollar stores,” where reasonably good food, donated by Western aid agencies, is sold at (non-Cuban) supermarket prices to foreigners or government elites holding dollars or euros.
A study published by the U.S. National Institutes of Health in 2005 reported that 41 percent of patients encountered in Cuba’s hospitals suffered from malnutrition, and 11 percent were “severely undernourished.”
I know it's NRO, but still. Barely not having a famine isn't much of an accomplishment.
tsinava posted:I've been looking for studies that show much fuel you can possibly get from like 1 acre of land in a temperate climate using wood gasifiers and biodigesters on massive levels. I can't find much data. I figure whatever I can find, it still won't be enough to support our current system which demands that so many of us have cars that we have to constantly drive though.
The humble cassava comes out pretty well, it produces more ethanol fuel per acre/year than corn.
https://www.earth-policy.org/datacenter/xls/update55_6.xls
tsinava posted:Is there a reason mustang hates Cuba or does he quote NRO articles all the time
requirement for employment in the agency or USSD
If you respect petrochemicals then you would acknowledge that they are finite resources that should be used carefully.
The Cubans have managed to regain access to petrochemicals, and they, unlike the U.S., use them wisely.
You're probably thinking of coal w.r.t. steel production.
I'm not arguing that the ways you describe wouldn't work. Just that they wouldn't be more productive or economical. I don't think we should adopt a program similar to the Cubans when we have alternatives.
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i would actually engage with you but you've already demonstrated that you quote shit like the NRO to prove your points.
why don't you read the thread?
tpaine posted:tsinava posted:If you actually think the reason that everything runs on fossil fuels is because there are no other alternatives you are really fucking stupid. I don't even know where to start.
agreed. korn fuels my automobile, for example.
I approve, but I hope you know that you don't have to drive a car fueled by terrible bands from the 90's to feel like a proper leftist.
if i came across as offended or pissed off i wasn't!
tpaine posted:stealing corey's catchphrase and using it on sa is pretty low
you should read more gbs. they use it all over the place.
tsinava posted:you should read more gbs
wtf
diamond_galas posted:rescuecreditor destroyed your totally pseudointellectual argument and you banned him, gj
its pretty weird that you spent a deeply obsessive amount of time trying to break into peoples accounts and still achieved absolutely nothing from it because you are completely unable to write coherently and so you still get instantly owned and banned