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and another thing, if stalin was stealing the poor ukrainians bread to sell so he could buy more tank factories, then that food obviously fed people who could themselves have become starvation victims. the selflessness of communism, folks.
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dank_xiaopeng posted:

c_man posted:

really? how hot do those get? i thought you needed like 160F to start killing bacteria.

they get pretty hot (as high as 120F if done right) which is more than enough to kill 99.9% of pathogens over the course of several weeks of composting



im pretty sure even 120F is in the range of bacteria thriving, 160F is generally whats considered safe in every situation that i've heard of, but i guess most of my knowledge with this sort of thing is food preparation so probably standards for food are different than standards for fertilizer.

Panopticon posted:

i believe cman is referring to http://rt.com/usa/interview-with-boris-borisov/



i was actually remember someone here (i think???) who said they were gonna try and do that, and include things like lives lost due to groups that were armed by the US and so on.

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one of my fondest wishes is to one day serve a group of dear friends and family members a delicious vegetarian meal that I lovingly grow and prepare. after a leisurely meal and enjoying several homebrews made from barley i harvest and malt myself, I take my guests on a tour of my gardens. after winding through the neat rows of vegetables, the sun-dappled leaves gently swaying in the summer evening's breeze we arrive at a series of small, lidded wooden bins.

as i lift the lid on the first bin and rake back the thick covering of straw that lines it, my guests are dumbstruck, feebly bleating in shock. an Encounter with the real: a heinous mass of shit and garbage festering before them. "we are what we eat," i cackle, smearing myself and those nearest me with gobbets of half-composted turds.

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c_man posted:



food spoilage bacteria can handle higher temps, but the enteric bacteria, protozoans, and helminth eggs that make up the fecal-borne pathogens can't survive for more than a day at 55C

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i was actually remember someone here (i think???) who said they were gonna try and do that, and include things like lives lost due to groups that were armed by the US and so on. but thats a cool article anyway!



Well that would up it, since the US armed several communist countries including USSR (Lend Lease), China and Cambodia. Although National Socialism was never armed by the US so you need to explain that.

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5sdsghgh posted:

Well that would up it, since the US armed several communist countries including USSR (Lend Lease), China and Cambodia. Although National Socialism was never armed by the US so you need to explain that.


why would anyone want to "explain" that? no one is saying that the US is the singular source of all conflict in the world besides the voices in your head. the point is that the statistics that apply to the soviets are by no means unique for a large country.

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c_man do not talk to mustang
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I miss crazy DM and his crazy finance threads
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i AM the Corn Law!
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i know a russian who left @ 10 years old and then went back in 2007 and voted for the communists, along with her whole family for all the good that did. thats my story
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you can pay 1% of your income on rent in america and probably get the same quality of housing you got in russia in the 1970s.
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USSR = An entire country of Craigslist roomshares
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yeah. i mean most places are probably okay to live. there's people there, people are mostly nice, you know how it goes. you eat a bit of food, complain about the weather. it's chill.
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getfiscal posted:

you can pay 1% of your income on rent in america and probably get the same quality of housing you got in russia in the 1970s.



I don't think you can

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Meursault posted:

I don't think you can

actually about half of the footage in spike lee's katrina documentary is just of houses in soviet russia from the 1980s.

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But everyone in the USSR lived with their parents until they were 35. Is that why communism is so great?

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britain has had housing "shortages" since forever and even mighty maggie couldnt do anything about it
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c_man posted:

britain has had housing "shortages" since forever and even mighty maggie couldnt do anything about it

yeah. probably the same thing.

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i have no idea if that is actually true or not about people in the ussr but maybe if you were raised in a culture of solidarity responsibility and meaningful collective striving instead of by profiteering swine the idea of people spending time with their families wouldn't be quite as repulsive to you



Oh, trust me. It's awesome.

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1% of like 17,000 is 170. I don't think there's anywhere in america where rent is ~$15 a month.
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Oh if you're really really rich maybe you COULD spend 1% of your income on housing, if you wanted to for some reason, is that what you meant
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If Bill Gates lived the same lifestyle as me, at the end of it he'd have ~100% of his net worth left over. Makes you think...
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Meursault posted:

I don't think there's anywhere in america where rent is ~$15 a month.

zuccotti park

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solzhesnitchin posted:

most of the people i've met irl who lived under communism as adults seem to think it was a lot better. the ones who are real anti-communist tend to be guys who emigrated very young, like before they were 10. and of course their families were "nobility" before the revolution. pre-revolutionary russia and poland must have had the most top heavy aristocracy. 9 aristocrats to every peasant



everybody i ever met from the DDR (its 2 people and a dog) said that it wasnt so bad and at least you were saved from terrible existential terror and you got a trabi

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getfiscal posted:

Meursault posted:

I don't think there's anywhere in america where rent is ~$15 a month.

zuccotti park


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$15/month is a crackhouse apartment with no heating or running water, which is basically communism.

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-east-germany-s-transformation-fotostrecke-59943.html





if all the rotting brick-faced poured concrete buildings on my block were pushed into a central housing complex with communal kitchens and baths it would be a considerable improvement.



Sounds like a business plan.

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i wish pruitt-igoe were still around so i could live in it
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tenement block, St. Louis oblast, 1970
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i agree that capitalism and socialism don't produce much different social outcomes for the poor, good point fellow liberal innsmouthful
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So the poorest parts of the US are the normal parts of the USSR? Good job.

Modern day Moscow btw.

http://www.hofinet.org/countries/description.aspx?regionID=3&id=137






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"Suppose, for example, that the city of Sparta were to become deserted and that only the temples and foundations of buildings remained, I think that future generations would, as time passed, find it very difficult to believe that the place had really been as powerful as it was represented to be. Yet the Spartans occupy two-fifths of the Peloponnese and stand at the head not only of the whole Peloponnese itself but also of numerous allies beyond its frontiers. Since, however, the city is not regularly planned and contains no temples or monuments of great magnificence, but is simply a collection of villages, in the ancient Hellenic way, its appearance would not come up to expectation."
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no the point was that i want to live in a shitty housing project because of aesthetic reasons. i'm not sure what you're talking about bro, sorry : /
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Lykourgos posted:

"Suppose, for example, that the city of Sparta were to become deserted and that only the temples and foundations of buildings remained, I think that future generations would, as time passed, find it very difficult to believe that the place had really been as powerful as it was represented to be. Yet the Spartans occupy two-fifths of the Peloponnese and stand at the head not only of the whole Peloponnese itself but also of numerous allies beyond its frontiers. Since, however, the city is not regularly planned and contains no temples or monuments of great magnificence, but is simply a collection of villages, in the ancient Hellenic way, its appearance would not come up to expectation."



But I thought capitalism was a religion????!!!