#1041
Nerds fuckin suck. I came to that conclusion long before I was political simply because they're so fucking boring to talk to.
#1042

Dimashq posted:

I'm sure some of you are similar, but sometimes I think to myself "how the fuck am i so lucky I didn't become a nerd".


mate, some people make an effort to socialise themselves, and some people are just dickheads.

#1043
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#1044
Hey, dont be mean to dnsmasq.
#1045
i FUCKING HATE NERDS
#1046
Being a "Nerd" lends itself to reaction because when you boil it down to its essence its a subculture that defines itself by 1. avid overconsumption and 2. and us vs them ingroup-outgroup mindset. Like I was pretty nerdy growing up and had a fairly conservative phase a little bit in college, but luckily I never really became a nerd, not because of some inherent internal resolve but mostly because my parents didn't have the money or patience to buy me thousands of dollars worth of leaden goblin figurines or plastic replicas of star wars EU ships.
#1047
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#1048
nerdism is an ideology

Immersion into (what are perceived as) teleologically-constructed franchise universes that disclose themselves through cycles of hype and the temporary satisfaction thereof. Maintenance of a perpetual state of frustrated desire, sustained by fantasies of enjoyment's theft by shadowy entities. Effective worship of corporations as living gods, via social media as prayer. Elimination of aversive experience from simulations.


-supermechagodzilla

#1049
if nerds are the people who buy funko pops then im pretty sure we can just kill em all and be done with it
#1050

babyhueypnewton posted:

nerdism is an ideology

Immersion into (what are perceived as) teleologically-constructed franchise universes that disclose themselves through cycles of hype and the temporary satisfaction thereof. Maintenance of a perpetual state of frustrated desire, sustained by fantasies of enjoyment's theft by shadowy entities. Effective worship of corporations as living gods, via social media as prayer. Elimination of aversive experience from simulations.


-supermechagodzilla


this. I remember reading somewhere that the perception of teleology in media franchises and the constant need to develop a lore for every conceivable thing in a fictional universe is a distinct aspect of postmodern media. Maybe in Jameson's book on postmodernity idk.

#1051

Petrol posted:

Dimashq posted:

I'm sure some of you are similar, but sometimes I think to myself "how the fuck am i so lucky I didn't become a nerd".

mate, some people make an effort to socialise themselves, and some people are just dickheads.


why not both

#1052

Dimashq posted:

Petrol posted:

Dimashq posted:

I'm sure some of you are similar, but sometimes I think to myself "how the fuck am i so lucky I didn't become a nerd".

mate, some people make an effort to socialise themselves, and some people are just dickheads.

why not both


that exists too, its called a sociopath

#1053
https://antifascistnews.net/2017/03/29/the-left-overs-how-fascists-court-the-post-left/

Alexander Reid Ross... in an article with Anti-Fascist News... combat the rise of "Creeping Fascism" with an article about the avant garde, situationists, the dangers of noise and neo-folk, and the dangerous ideas of fascists like Nietzsche and Bataille. What's the solution?



Don't think, read or listen to noise music! You just might catch a fascism.
#1054
i regret to inform you that you are all nerds, my deepest condolences at this difficut time
#1055

levoydpage posted:


theres some good noise out there but neofolk & martial is exclusively fash

#1056
there are a few neofolks who are just really into dmt & gnosticism but they're a small minority.
#1057

blinkandwheeze posted:

there are a few neofolks who are just really into dmt & gnosticism but they're a small minority.


david tibet ftw

#1058
martial industrial is really bad music, even beyond being fascist. like if im going to listen to reactionaries i'd like them to do something interesting
#1059

lo posted:

david tibet ftw


hell yea

#1060

lo posted:

blinkandwheeze posted:

there are a few neofolks who are just really into dmt & gnosticism but they're a small minority.


david tibet ftw




Pitchfork: There's a moment on Black Ships-- "Christ made a dance/ Which turned into a trance." Did you convert to Christianity?

David Tibet: Well, I was always interested in religion. My main interest was initially Christianity, but I was also interested in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Taoism because that's what I was growing up around . I used to spend a lot of time going to Hindu temples and Chinese temples, but from a very early age I was interested in the Bible and in New Testament apocrypha, and also in eschatological and apocalyptic writings. I studied Buddhism for a long time but, yeah, if people ask me what I am now, I'm Christian.

#1061
theres an exception to every rule
#1062

lo posted:

a lot of fascist black metal and neofolk type guys were/are big into evola and iirc some of the british national front people from the 80s liked him, although i don't know if theres much of a direct connection between those scenes and the 4chan failsons of today.



there isn't, they mostly listen to the opening music of Japanese TV cartoons

#1063
i knew like a total of one evola fash guy who listened to metal. he later returned to his ancestral homeland of Israel to teach math.
#1064
i dont listen to neo folk because it isnt compatible with ironically reading voegelin on the train
#1065
#1066

thirdplace posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:
late capitalism has created a generation of men who are completely alienated, emiserated, nihilistic and hopeless. the idea that these guys developed as a reaction to "SJWs" is mostly false. we all remember the internet 10 years ago, the "alt-right" isn't new, there were always shithead racists everywhere. the one glimmer of truth that the theory has is that the other release valve that arose on the internet to deal with alienation from society, so-called "identity politics"," had nothing to offer these white heterosexual males, who at best could hope to rise to the level of pathetic pissboy in their hierarchy. it offered them no sense of belonging and lashed out and expelled them when they talk the way dumb teen boys from the midwest talk. reaction played on these instilled but not immutable homophobic/racist biases, building on their bitterness towards women, and all the while flattering their egos about how Smart they are like the most vulgar carnival huckster reading acutely that their sense of being smarter than those around them is the sole thing they have to take pride in. these are men without hope of ever finding success or happiness, latching on to the first place they ever felt accepted, that tells them that by their whiteness they are the heir to a grand tradition of sculptors and inventors and composers and philosophers, and (correctly) that their white skin is the most socially valuable thing about them. watch a twitch stream and you will see guys saying that the community of watching a guy play videogames is all that is keeping them from killing themselves, that youtubers are the closest simulation they have to friends. why would some of them not strap on a suicide vest

reminder that you could see the extremely clear antecedents of alt-right posting in SA offsites like SASS in 2008 before tumblr even existed before anyone was on twitter before wokeness when the height of SJW puritism was Ozma probating you for dropping the n-word in the wrong forum

it was really just the black president


living in the future! feeling wonderful!




Even before that. I've spent my entire adult life extremely online and it was always full of racists. They didn't like Obama but they didn't like McCain either because he was a RINO -today they would say "cuck"- and the reasoning was mostly that he was soft on immigration and surrounded by (((neoconservatives)))

#1067
this might be hard for some of you to believe, but nazis existed even before the internet
#1068

Petrol posted:

this might be hard for some of you to believe, but nazis existed even before the internet


#1069
i don't know to what extent if any this has had an effect on the real world, if at all, but the biggest change in online politics wasn't the rise of the alt-right, it was the collapse of the libertarian nerd hegemony. they still exist, but their constituent members split when hitting the prism that is the reality of private power, into the left, the hard right, and lawyer-liberals
#1070

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

the libertarian nerd hegemony. they still exist, but their constituent members split when hitting the prism that is the reality of private power, into the left,



citation needed

#1071

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

lawyer-liberals



hey watch yourself pal

#1072

cars posted:

le_nelson_mandela_face posted:

the libertarian nerd hegemony. they still exist, but their constituent members split when hitting the prism that is the reality of private power, into the left,

citation needed



there's a lot of leftists who started out as libertarians, not terribly committed except to the reality that Pot Laws Are Bullshit and both parties are similar, that even a teen who likes ayn rand can see it

#1073
yeah, the proliferation of libertarian apologetics as a feature of internet culture in the late 90s through the mid 00s means a lot of young nerds with leftist ideals got swept into that bullshit by default, mistakenly seeing leftism in the ideal of absolute negative liberty (to which not even libertarians really adhere, obviously)
#1074
also: the name of this forum
#1075
I guess if you count Bernie Sanders voters as the left.......
#1076

thirdplace posted:

also: the name of this forum



the deleuze thing is really funny in retrospect

#1077

Petrol posted:

theres some good noise out there but neofolk & martial is exclusively fash


the further you get away from recognizable identification of a human playing an instrument (or singing) or some kind of human organization of sound (melody and rhythm e.g.), the more towards noise, the more i think you get more and more inherently anti-human / fascist, but that's just like, my opinion, man

#1078
the opposite is the case, the fascists in these subcultures come with the biggest concessions to classical musical conventions. neofolk & martial industrial are both painfully saccharine & sentimental in terms of melodic / rhythmic sensibility. the aesthetic culture of fascism is insanely cloying and kitsch, full of vulgar humanism & appeals to the Volk
#1079
in the beating heart of every fascist is an overwhelming desire to pluck a lute and sing some stupid cr*p about Elves or whatever while everyone prances around wearing white tunics and flower crowns. This, above all, is why they must be executed en masse
#1080