kinch posted:i'm willing to let that one slide as irony. reading the article, bannon and the mercers came across as seriously scary people, but i'd be surprised if milo really believes in anything other than success. if his career falters i can even see him switching sides.
very cool jokes to be making when consorting with literal nazis.
of course he's primarily an opportunist but that doesn't make him less of a problem. the road to fascism is paved with opportunists
kinch posted:i'm willing to let that one slide as irony.
one doesn't follow from the other
"i dont know about this Marx character, that's a little too far. better stick with Saint-Simon, he's more my speed."
for this Gregor is toasted as a deeply patriotic champion of democracy in the United States and his work is one of the big links between the greasy, photophobic far right and the mainstream, military-threaded one. he's also good evidence how Berkeley is a town run by a bunch of rich hippies in a local government that holds meaningless votes against U.S. invasions and is ultimately funded by U.S. military contracts flowing to beigists of middling intelligence
I also recommend Martin A. Lee's The Beast Reawakens a good book on the topic of that link in Europe.
belgend posted:first as tragedy then as farce gets a whole different meaning if you realize the equivalent for evola in 2017 is kekistan
they wish
belgend posted:first as tragedy then as farce
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487
With Republican Senate primaries from West Virginia to Montana promising to pit Trump-inspired insurgents against more mainstream candidates, Democrats are considering ways to step in and wreak some havoc. The idea: Elevate the GOP’s most extreme option in each race, easing Democrats’ path to victory in a range of states tilted against them.
blinkandwheeze posted:all the sycophant failson nazis like Evola who sucked up to fascist states, only to be sideeyed as weirdos by the nazis who actually did things, are very funny.
i'm not super up to date on what Stormfront/4chan is currently pushing, but i'm surprised there isn't a more dedicated following for Strasser. he seems perfect for the current zeitgeist: strong welfare white ethnostate, plus you can latch onto all the "what-if" narratives that Trotskyists do for the USSR to make it look like you're distancing yourself from Hitler ("if only he had headed Germany and not the Hitlerists, we'd have TRUE national socialism")
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:belgend posted:first as tragedy then as farce
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/gop-primaries-chaos-democrats-243487
With Republican Senate primaries from West Virginia to Montana promising to pit Trump-inspired insurgents against more mainstream candidates, Democrats are considering ways to step in and wreak some havoc. The idea: Elevate the GOP’s most extreme option in each race, easing Democrats’ path to victory in a range of states tilted against them.
Realpolitik ftw. What could go wrong?
shapes posted:i'm not super up to date on what Stormfront/4chan is currently pushing, but i'm surprised there isn't a more dedicated following for Strasser. he seems perfect for the current zeitgeist: strong welfare white ethnostate, plus you can latch onto all the "what-if" narratives that Trotskyists do for the USSR to make it look like you're distancing yourself from Hitler ("if only he had headed Germany and not the Hitlerists, we'd have TRUE national socialism")
there is something of one, it was bigger earlier and out of fashion now, but Strasser has two big problems in that role, 1) he briefly held a tiny amount of real-world power and 2) he was owned to death. the usual fantasy on the far-right is an individual one of their movement failing in a spectacular way but also that the person doing the fantasizing will be protected by Irony, and survive to die later as a lonely, senile geriatric. this is why Evola is perfect for them, he sustained a comfortably inconsequential war wound to give him a veneer of legitimacy and then spent the rest of his life as a useless slug too unimportant to execute as an example
if there's one big difference between the interwar German far right and the current U.S. far right it's that, with a few notable exceptions, the latter is ruled by an extreme fear of death or even mild discomfort, let alone death over ideological disputes at the hands of the precious few muscly mascot-exploiters of their lonely dude folk therapy group
Petrol posted:of course he's primarily an opportunist but that doesn't make him less of a problem. the road to fascism is paved with opportunists
there were ads for his book put up all over the transit system here, and every one of them i saw was torn or otherwise vandalized. i'm half convinced that they were installed that way.
blinkandwheeze posted:i think a big reason the pepe frog contingent is drawn to esoterics like Evola is simply that they're directionless basement dwellers primed for any form of new age self-help nonsense that can be smuggled in a nerd friendly veneer. these are people who want to learn about how Not jacking off will amplify their innate masculine essence, not the practical squabblings of third positionism
this is especially clear with people like jordan peterson, who is basically a father figure to all of his fans.
blinkandwheeze posted:directionless basement dwellers primed for any form of new age self-help nonsense that can be smuggled in a nerd friendly veneer. these are people who want to learn about how Not jacking off will amplify their innate masculine essence
wow, I'm right here
blinkandwheeze posted:all the sycophant failson nazis like Evola who sucked up to fascist states, only to be sideeyed as weirdos by the nazis who actually did things, are very funny.
theres a funny story about chilean nazi ufo theorist miguel serrano meeting evola when he was really old and being like, hey wasn't fascism cool, and evola said actually im a conservative traditionalist in the tradition of metternich or something
cars posted:as far as i can tell the contemporary fascination with Evola among slimy U.S. nerds comes in large part from the work of A. James Gregor, a UC Berkeley professor, '50s eugenicist and "national security" idiot who spent much of his career trying to convince people that the Vietnamese were the new Nazis and that Nazism was a "variant" of Marxism, and also that Evola was not a Nazi, that calling far-right extremist groups Nazis and fascists is leftist political bias and also Gregor wanted to suck Evola's dick until the come came out of the dick. He never achieved anything of note but got tenure, Mysteriously.
for this Gregor is toasted as a deeply patriotic champion of democracy in the United States and his work is one of the big links between the greasy, photophobic far right and the mainstream, military-threaded one. he's also good evidence how Berkeley is a town run by a bunch of rich hippies in a local government that holds meaningless votes against U.S. invasions and is ultimately funded by U.S. military contracts flowing to beigists of middling intelligence
I also recommend Martin A. Lee's The Beast Reawakens a good book on the topic of that link in Europe.
a lot of fascist black metal and neofolk type guys were/are big into evola and iirc some of the british national front people from the 80s liked him, although i don't know if theres much of a direct connection between those scenes and the 4chan failsons of today.
Apparently the SS gave him a job as an occult researcher during the war, then after he helped them write some manuals?
lo posted:a lot of fascist black metal and neofolk type guys were/are big into evola and iirc some of the british national front people from the 80s liked him, although i don't know if theres much of a direct connection between those scenes and the 4chan failsons of today.
iirc the national front enthusiasm for evola was in their brief Strasserite period where they were also praising Qaddafi, black nationalism & radical islam. the esoteric interest was a part of efforts to develop a spiritual army modelled after the iranian revolutionary guard. Non-central branches refused to publish their stuff about how racialism is good but racism is uh bad and eventually pushed them out i think.
there was a national front associated esoteric current really into evola, serrano & savitri devi here in Wellington actually. however i don't know what real world presence they actually had beyond Kerry Bolton photocopying zines, idk if you know anything about that.
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lo posted:someone from the university of waikato wrote a thesis on bolton and nazi satanist stuff (http://researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz/handle/10289/2446_), but like you said its hard to tell whether any of these guys do much in the real world.
oh yeah i think bolton threw a tantrum about that thesis and tried to get it pulled from public access. also he wrote a book about how white nationalists should celebrate Stalin for his anti-zionism which sounds pretty funny.
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:late capitalism has created a generation of men who are completely alienated, emiserated, nihilistic and hopeless. the idea that these guys developed as a reaction to "SJWs" is mostly false. we all remember the internet 10 years ago, the "alt-right" isn't new, there were always shithead racists everywhere. the one glimmer of truth that the theory has is that the other release valve that arose on the internet to deal with alienation from society, so-called "identity politics"," had nothing to offer these white heterosexual males, who at best could hope to rise to the level of pathetic pissboy in their hierarchy. it offered them no sense of belonging and lashed out and expelled them when they talk the way dumb teen boys from the midwest talk. reaction played on these instilled but not immutable homophobic/racist biases, building on their bitterness towards women, and all the while flattering their egos about how Smart they are like the most vulgar carnival huckster reading acutely that their sense of being smarter than those around them is the sole thing they have to take pride in. these are men without hope of ever finding success or happiness, latching on to the first place they ever felt accepted, that tells them that they are the heir to a grand tradition of sculptors and inventors and composers and philosophers, and (correctly) that their white skin is the most socially valuable thing about them. watch a twitch stream and you will see guys saying that the community of watching a guy play videogames is all that is keeping them from killing themselves, that youtubes are the closest simulation they have to friends. why would some of them not strap on a suicide vest
i think maybe the argument isn't that those guys were created by 'sjws' but more that their ideology developed in the particular white nationalist direction it has as a reaction to them. like 10 years ago the same people existed but there were more likely to be ron paul libertarians or whatever rather than outright nazis. so its not really that different from what you're getting at. i don't really know if i agree with the argument myself.
blinkandwheeze posted:lo posted:
someone from the university of waikato wrote a thesis on bolton and nazi satanist stuff (http://researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz/handle/10289/2446_), but like you said its hard to tell whether any of these guys do much in the real world.
oh yeah i think bolton threw a tantrum about that thesis and tried to get it pulled from public access. also he wrote a book about how white nationalists should celebrate Stalin for his anti-zionism which sounds pretty funny.
when i googled it ages ago there were all these blogs calling the author a plagiarist or something that had clearly been set up as a deliberate smear attempt, i guess it made him pretty mad.
lo posted:le_nelson_mandela_face posted:late capitalism has created a generation of men who are completely alienated, emiserated, nihilistic and hopeless. the idea that these guys developed as a reaction to "SJWs" is mostly false. we all remember the internet 10 years ago, the "alt-right" isn't new, there were always shithead racists everywhere. the one glimmer of truth that the theory has is that the other release valve that arose on the internet to deal with alienation from society, so-called "identity politics"," had nothing to offer these white heterosexual males, who at best could hope to rise to the level of pathetic pissboy in their hierarchy. it offered them no sense of belonging and lashed out and expelled them when they talk the way dumb teen boys from the midwest talk. reaction played on these instilled but not immutable homophobic/racist biases, building on their bitterness towards women, and all the while flattering their egos about how Smart they are like the most vulgar carnival huckster reading acutely that their sense of being smarter than those around them is the sole thing they have to take pride in. these are men without hope of ever finding success or happiness, latching on to the first place they ever felt accepted, that tells them that they are the heir to a grand tradition of sculptors and inventors and composers and philosophers, and (correctly) that their white skin is the most socially valuable thing about them. watch a twitch stream and you will see guys saying that the community of watching a guy play videogames is all that is keeping them from killing themselves, that youtubes are the closest simulation they have to friends. why would some of them not strap on a suicide vest
i think maybe the argument isn't that those guys were created by 'sjws' but more that their ideology developed in the particular white nationalist direction it has as a reaction to them. like 10 years ago the same people existed but there were more likely to be ron paul libertarians or whatever rather than outright nazis. so its not really that different from what you're getting at. i don't really know if i agree with the argument myself.
i think it's more that nazis saw potential in impotent white male nerd rage and used 'gamergate' as the perfect opportunity for metastasis into what we're seeing now. sure, SJWs are their avowed enemy, but in practice that just means anytime a woman/POC has a public voice and/or position of authority in an industry they care about
blinkandwheeze posted:lo let's start a death industrial / power electronics group which replaces all the fascist references with celebrations of anti-revisionist marxism-leninism
yeah doggy
le_nelson_mandela_face posted:late capitalism has created a generation of men who are completely alienated, emiserated, nihilistic and hopeless. the idea that these guys developed as a reaction to "SJWs" is mostly false. we all remember the internet 10 years ago, the "alt-right" isn't new, there were always shithead racists everywhere. the one glimmer of truth that the theory has is that the other release valve that arose on the internet to deal with alienation from society, so-called "identity politics"," had nothing to offer these white heterosexual males, who at best could hope to rise to the level of pathetic pissboy in their hierarchy. it offered them no sense of belonging and lashed out and expelled them when they talk the way dumb teen boys from the midwest talk. reaction played on these instilled but not immutable homophobic/racist biases, building on their bitterness towards women, and all the while flattering their egos about how Smart they are like the most vulgar carnival huckster reading acutely that their sense of being smarter than those around them is the sole thing they have to take pride in. these are men without hope of ever finding success or happiness, latching on to the first place they ever felt accepted, that tells them that by their whiteness they are the heir to a grand tradition of sculptors and inventors and composers and philosophers, and (correctly) that their white skin is the most socially valuable thing about them. watch a twitch stream and you will see guys saying that the community of watching a guy play videogames is all that is keeping them from killing themselves, that youtubers are the closest simulation they have to friends. why would some of them not strap on a suicide vest
reminder that you could see the extremely clear antecedents of alt-right posting in SA offsites like SASS in 2008 before tumblr even existed before anyone was on twitter before wokeness when the height of SJW puritism was Ozma probating you for dropping the n-word in the wrong forum
it was really just the black president
