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tears posted:i went out drinking w some communists in a pub and the pub had like three toilets and i thought thats nice a trans inclusionary pub and my friend opened the "middle" tolilet door and it had some friggin brick wallpaper behind it and rang aloud bell in the pub for everyone to hear and well long story short I mananged to barely resist burning the pub to the ground and offering the drinkers up in a fiery offering to the dark gods but it was and extremly close thing and i/ am VERY ANGRY and also drunk, and well I hope this stupid country and everyone in it burns in hell forever :very angry emoji:
there's no way that is going to survive anyone actually finding out about it outside of that pub's regular clientele, right? that seems like you are literally inviting activist types to show up and shit all over you every day
tpaine posted:I met getfiscal on an e-stim/edging newsgroup in 1999
Well, we made it into an e-stim/edging newsgroup, because we give no fucks.
I'm having trouble articulating what is so unsettling about this billion dollar company. It reeks of bourgeois individualism and new age spiritualism. I wish that there was a brilliant marxist takedown of their ideology floating around out there, but no such luck.
It has its intellectual roots in a guy named Werner Erhard and the 'est' (Erhard Seminars Training) program as well as what wikipedia informs me is the 'Human Potential Movement'.
Has anyone encountered these things before? Does anyone have any reading suggestions? My family is getting entangled with scientology lite and if I can't stop them I want to at least read some withering criticism.
Landmark compresses what was once a long-term relation in psychotherapy into a 3-4 day seminar spread over a week. People vomit their dissatisfactions on the first day, then the 'director' makes them feel like shit for not taking responsibility in their lives, and finally people break down (or 'pop' as they put it) and try to make amends. Expect an apologetic call from your folks.
The problem here is that to provide people with catharsis in exchange for money only reinforces the idea that their personal drama matters when they should be realizing that 'lol nothing matters' under markets. Such people are to be pitied not criticized. They should be encouraged to read Carlos Castaneda and drop acid in the desert or try primal scream - anything that would trigger a total psychotic breakdown rather than hollywood happy ending.
Erhard was a syncretist much like everything else in the 'marketplace of ideas'. Within the market framework that is only concerned with utility (what can this do for me?), ahistorical pastiche is the norm. The best report on this scene (afaik) occurs in ep 3 of curtis' century of the self. Probably the worst thing to come out of est bullshit are the matrix sequels.
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AZ_IZ_OT posted:Psychoanalysis is bourgeois garbage. Fitting that the rich perfected it first as a form of torture for their own
yeah sorry i edited it to 'psychotherapy'. American psychotherapy is grounded in William James's pragmatic psychology followed by Anna Freud's ego psychology (covered in ep 2 of century of the self). Erhard etc were followers of Reich (reacting to the reign of ego psychology) who was a favourite of Marxists in the 60s as well.
I am well aware of psychoanalysis' reputation. plz reconsider your hasty dismissal - a theory that tortures the rich can't be all bad no?
*tinfoil hat falls off and mind is immediately occupied by hexes, kgb esp agents and Obama incantations of "thank you satan-and hear from the grandma"*
AZ_IZ_OT posted:I read some of a non-theoretical Theodore Reik book once and enjoyed it.
i wanna read his 'The Creation of Woman' but can't find it anywhere
so psychoanalysis which tries at least to engage without dumb computational or evo psych frameworks seems to me, just on that basis, good, and cool.
Belphegor posted:So several people in my family have been attending this self-help type thing called the "Landmark Forum". They keep trying to convince me to attend a seminar but I don't want to because my Marx senses are tingling.
I'm having trouble articulating what is so unsettling about this billion dollar company. It reeks of bourgeois individualism and new age spiritualism. I wish that there was a brilliant marxist takedown of their ideology floating around out there, but no such luck.
It has its intellectual roots in a guy named Werner Erhard and the 'est' (Erhard Seminars Training) program as well as what wikipedia informs me is the 'Human Potential Movement'.
Has anyone encountered these things before? Does anyone have any reading suggestions? My family is getting entangled with scientology lite and if I can't stop them I want to at least read some withering criticism.
Its just weird public therapy with an amway-ish model which is strange because therapy already makes money. The characters to go EST on the television show "The Americans."
Keven posted:Its just weird public therapy with an amway-ish model which is strange because therapy already makes money
this. why go for the cheap knock-off when you could pay more for a bigger, better, longer-lasting traumatic breakdown?
Gibbonstrength posted:why so down on psychoanalysis. seems helpful
I prefer eclectic therapy that uses a wider range of techniques (or self directed which puts the onus on the patient to direct their own healing). Ive been doing therapy for the past few months and it has been really good at unburdening myself and finding a new direction to go in. also it's not scientific at all